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Bacari Sellers: People making $30k a year will have a tax increase

it's just a blatant lie. And no one questions it. FUCK CNN
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
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saffron aphrodisiac resort hissy fit
  11/16/17
what do we do about this shit
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
He was not wrong. You are.
Pale gaming laptop
  11/17/17
Dat please respond.
Pale gaming laptop
  11/18/17
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Pale gaming laptop
  11/20/17
Libs: Do you have any defense of your fellow lib?
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
do people who make 30K a year even pay taxes?
Racy orchestra pit
  11/16/17
singlemos with no kids pay a tad. Like $1-$2k. If any kids...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
wow, I find it surprising that they'd even pay that. I ...
Racy orchestra pit
  11/16/17
cr
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
this is a really quite garbage opinion
bipolar rusted institution circlehead
  11/16/17
jfc you're dumb.
Metal provocative brethren
  11/17/17
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Maniacal Fishy Menage Pisswyrm
  11/18/17
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Light exciting dingle berry
  11/18/17
yeah my lib friends are going on and on about middle class p...
Odious Station
  11/16/17
No
buff casino indirect expression
  11/16/17
yes it will.
Racy orchestra pit
  11/16/17
No it wont
buff casino indirect expression
  11/16/17
bullshit. a lot of people (most I believe) take the standar...
Racy orchestra pit
  11/16/17
It will hurt the middle class and benefit rich people
buff casino indirect expression
  11/16/17
lol this is verbatim what my lib friends say, with no justif...
Odious Station
  11/16/17
It will hurt the middle class and benefit the very rich. Wha...
buff casino indirect expression
  11/16/17
lol
Odious Station
  11/16/17
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narrow-minded wrinkle fortuitous meteor
  11/16/17
most won't see their taxes go up, but some will be hurt for ...
Racy orchestra pit
  11/16/17
It won't hurt people in high tax states until they are makin...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
not necessarily. if you live in a state with high propert...
Racy orchestra pit
  11/16/17
Well someone not making $200k shouldn't be living in an $800...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
Just do fuck over the entire upper middle class to give mult...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/16/17
Is the middle class getting a tax cut or not?
buff casino indirect expression
  11/17/17
Not any part of it that lives on the coasts where housing is...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
I thought it was hurting the UMC of the coastal states?
buff casino indirect expression
  11/17/17
Which is the entire middle class of the coastal states. 50k ...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
yeah boo hoo people making 200k can only write off the first...
red selfie
  11/17/17
It is a boohoo moment because on the coasts that's a 1200sq ...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
cr but it means that it will hit the obamatard demographic p...
saffron aphrodisiac resort hissy fit
  11/16/17
so in other words it will hurt most shitlibs/dem voters. 180...
saffron aphrodisiac resort hissy fit
  11/16/17
yeah and the actual tax rates are going down. It's insane...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
I was trying to do the math and see how middle class taxes w...
Odious Station
  11/16/17
well, to be fair, some people will probably get screwed and ...
Racy orchestra pit
  11/16/17
Not if they itemize currently but their deductions would oth...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
This is horseshit. A 2% drop in the tax rate isnt going to m...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/16/17
Your analysis makes sense if we use your retarded definition...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
Not all deductions are itemized deductions. The student loan...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/16/17
For most in these less than common circumstances, this will ...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
There are so many of these less than common circumstances th...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/16/17
Yes, but the increased below the line deductions make up for...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
Deductions incentivize good behavior like going to school or...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
real question here is what income level you start to really ...
Drab contagious black woman crotch
  11/17/17
How do you think they'll start saving money at that level? H...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
I ran the numbers like 12 times and I think the lawyer marki...
Bat-shit-crazy startling skinny woman
  11/17/17
Tax Foundation usually does this pretty quickly, but they’re...
Pale gaming laptop
  11/17/17
I'm pretty sure interest on a house you rent out will still ...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
Like this? http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799839&...
buff casino indirect expression
  11/16/17
Oh no, not the backs of the middle class biglaw senior assoc...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
And doctors and basically anyone with a brain who actually w...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/16/17
Yes all those blue-collar laborers making under $100,000 a y...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
13% flat tax in Russia. Moving there looks better by the day...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
ljfl at your fantasy world. youre the 1% that most dems want...
saffron aphrodisiac resort hissy fit
  11/16/17
Which is why its all the more shocking that Republicans are ...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/16/17
getting rid of personal exemptions will hurt people if they ...
Vermilion Mischievous Ticket Booth
  11/17/17
Anyone else click on this thread excited that deadbeats woul...
Motley Lake Hall Party Of The First Part
  11/16/17
Cr
buff casino indirect expression
  11/16/17
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Ivory Diverse Shrine
  11/16/17
They are getting rid of all above the line non itemized dedu...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/16/17
what is your monthly alimony payment?
Ivory Diverse Shrine
  11/16/17
It's not a lie. They move from 12% to 15%
bipolar rusted institution circlehead
  11/16/17
Yes, if you are talking about the opposite of what's true.
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
How do th very rich benefit from the plan?
buff casino indirect expression
  11/16/17
No more death tax. Lower corporate tax. 180 rules on pass th...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/16/17
So when libs say the rich are getting lower taxes, they mean...
buff casino indirect expression
  11/16/17
people who make very high salaries will also benefit obvious...
Drab contagious black woman crotch
  11/17/17
Spends how you define rich. Amt phases out after you hit li...
Bat-shit-crazy startling skinny woman
  11/17/17
Lawyers and doctors should pay normal income tax rates. Jus...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/16/17
As if 30% isnt enough and as if there isnt widespread cheati...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
Just as much by lawyers
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
Lawyers cant cheat. Its not a cash business and the revenue ...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
Ljl you need to read the threads on here about deducting eve...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
Shitlaw solos (60% of lawyers +/-) cant do any of that. No a...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
why not just do an across the board tax cut? instead of thi...
Drab contagious black woman crotch
  11/17/17
Because they want to stick it extra hard to NYC and CA liber...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
CRRR. Bitch about that since it's valid. The middle class ...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
The real problem with the middle class shit is most people a...
Silver galvanic set juggernaut
  11/17/17
Yea so- they aren't paying much tax anyway. Maybe they'll e...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
I don't give a shit about those people. I'm just saying its...
Silver galvanic set juggernaut
  11/17/17
But it's not peanuts to them. A family making $100k a year ...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
What passes for middle class in flyover country is mostly ju...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
(Coastal elite)
buff casino indirect expression
  11/17/17
You are a dumb, insufferable faggot and this post was idioti...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
No its not. Half this country cant cobble together more than...
Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
You are seriously insane, even if this non sequitur has some...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
He’s dumb not insane
Motley Lake Hall Party Of The First Part
  11/17/17
"Only 30% of income can use the new 25% rate unless it'...
electric pearly tanning salon
  11/17/17
Lawyers doctors etc are excluded and just pay normal income ...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
Excluded how? In my example, Investor LLC wouldn't be per...
electric pearly tanning salon
  11/17/17
I'm sure they have protections for that but I'm not going to...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
This article explains it well https://www.forbes.com/site...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
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Obsidian French Hell
  11/17/17
This is god's gift to flyovermo's. That the GOP/Trump is so ...
Free-loading corner
  11/17/17
They are. But the liberal media is just completely misrepre...
excitant sweet tailpipe
  11/17/17
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Laughsome Shivering Pervert Den
  11/20/17
ITT, lots of doods who can’t be bothered to look at JCT’s di...
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  11/17/17


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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:32 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

it's just a blatant lie. And no one questions it. FUCK CNN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705686)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:33 PM
Author: saffron aphrodisiac resort hissy fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705693)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:36 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

what do we do about this shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705724)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:46 PM
Author: Pale gaming laptop

He was not wrong. You are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713620)



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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: Pale gaming laptop

Dat please respond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34716776)



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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:04 PM
Author: Pale gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34730886)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:41 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Libs: Do you have any defense of your fellow lib?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705770)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:42 PM
Author: Racy orchestra pit

do people who make 30K a year even pay taxes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705777)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:44 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

singlemos with no kids pay a tad. Like $1-$2k. If any kids then no. Probably pay negative.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705797)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:51 PM
Author: Racy orchestra pit

wow, I find it surprising that they'd even pay that.

I mean, even if true, I don't find that all that troubling. first of all, paying 1K on 30K is basically nothing. lets not forget, EVERYONE benefits from Federal Government services...

also, for the majority of productive people, they are not making 30K forever... a lot of that is college students working part time, people starting out... etc... if someone really trying to make it in life is making 30K forever, then a slight tax increase over the 3% they are currently paying, is the LEAST of their problems.

I'm lib, but not sympathetic to people who are just lazy. If you talk to a lot of people in this income range, it's basically people who have jobs at stores or whatever that will tell you they are lazy about picking up shifts, work on average 25 hours a week, etc. etc., yet always seem to have the newest iPhone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705867)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:53 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705891)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:59 PM
Author: bipolar rusted institution circlehead

this is a really quite garbage opinion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705944)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:28 AM
Author: Metal provocative brethren

jfc you're dumb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706676)



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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:35 AM
Author: Maniacal Fishy Menage Pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34716826)



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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:23 AM
Author: Light exciting dingle berry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34716781)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:45 PM
Author: Odious Station

yeah my lib friends are going on and on about middle class people's taxes going up. Won't doubling the standard deduction be totally awesome for like 90% of middle class folks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705804)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:46 PM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705817)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:51 PM
Author: Racy orchestra pit

yes it will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705871)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:52 PM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

No it wont

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705879)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:54 PM
Author: Racy orchestra pit

bullshit. a lot of people (most I believe) take the standard deduction now. doubling it from 12K to 24K will help the vast majority of people. who cares if SALT deductions are repealed if they are taking the standard deduction.

this tax cut probably hurts people in the 100-250K range who live in high tax states.

even people in high tax states making above that will probably benefit by the lower rates because usually AMT phases out SALT anyways.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705899)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:55 PM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

It will hurt the middle class and benefit rich people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705903)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:57 PM
Author: Odious Station

lol this is verbatim what my lib friends say, with no justification at all. Maybe a few cites to lib articles making these same conclusions, but I'm still confused how doubling the standard deduction and lowering rates will hurt middle class people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705925)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:58 PM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

It will hurt the middle class and benefit the very rich. What more is there to say? Are you against the middle class?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705933)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:58 PM
Author: Odious Station

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705942)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:24 PM
Author: narrow-minded wrinkle fortuitous meteor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706169)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:01 PM
Author: Racy orchestra pit

most won't see their taxes go up, but some will be hurt for sure, depending on individual circumstances (how much they itemize, their exact income)...

the way they changed the rates was odd too... a lot of the rates are lower but the ranges are different, so some people could see a higher proportion of their salary in a higher rate.

I will they had just did a flat reduction for everyone like the Bush tax cuts.

Like everyone just pays 10% less than what they were paying before on the first 1 million of income.

anyone making over a 1 million in salary probably doesn't need a tax cut.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705960)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:56 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

It won't hurt people in high tax states until they are making above $200k or so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705916)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:58 PM
Author: Racy orchestra pit

not necessarily.

if you live in a state with high property taxes and you have a fairly expensive home, it will hurt you.

for instance, lets say you and your significant other do your taxes separately, live in a 800K house and pay 15-20K a year in property taxes. If you are in the 100-200K range in salary (each) then your taxes will probably go up because the cap is now 10K for the property tax deduction.

Above 250K though, it's a wash because the alternative minimum tax phases out your local tax deduction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705941)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:08 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Well someone not making $200k shouldn't be living in an $800k house. Or you could just say they are making a HHI of $400k, hence above the $200k amount I said. You should also split the property tax between them if they are doing taxes separately.

But yes, anyone that owns an expensive house like that will be hurt That was meant to be included in the $200k and above parameter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706024)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:51 PM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Just do fuck over the entire upper middle class to give multibillionaires a tax cut.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706427)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:02 AM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

Is the middle class getting a tax cut or not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706509)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:06 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Not any part of it that lives on the coasts where housing is expensive and state and local taxes high. Flyover country will see a tax cut. This geographic shit is how civil wars start.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706534)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:10 AM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

I thought it was hurting the UMC of the coastal states?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706564)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:20 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Which is the entire middle class of the coastal states. 50k a year is not middle class in NYC. 50k a year gets you put on a list for state subsidized housing because you cant afford to live here. 50k a year is dirt poor on the coasts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706622)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:19 AM
Author: red selfie

yeah boo hoo people making 200k can only write off the first 500k of a (new) 800k mortgage they actually can't afford

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706620)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:22 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

It is a boohoo moment because on the coasts that's a 1200sq foot former crack den row house where you share walls with your neighbors, have no yard or even a parking space worth a damn. These people are not rich by any stretch of the imagination.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706637)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: saffron aphrodisiac resort hissy fit

cr but it means that it will hit the obamatard demographic perfectly. 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706236)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: saffron aphrodisiac resort hissy fit

so in other words it will hurt most shitlibs/dem voters. 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706234)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:54 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

yeah and the actual tax rates are going down.

It's insane how much they are lying about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705900)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:56 PM
Author: Odious Station

I was trying to do the math and see how middle class taxes would actually go UP under this plan, and I can't see it. Then again, I'm no tax guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705914)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 10:56 PM
Author: Racy orchestra pit

well, to be fair, some people will probably get screwed and you can tell who based upon where the 13 Republicans who voted against this live.

basically anyone making 100-250K a year in NY/NJ/CT/CA/DC and a few other high tax states will probably see their taxes go up if they itemize (which most of them probably do).

anyone below 100K probably benefits, especially in red states.

anyone above 250K probably also benefits because AMT is repealed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34705919)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:10 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Not if they itemize currently but their deductions would otherwise be below the new doubled deduction threshold. Their deduction ends up going up, even though they previously itemized.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706040)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:13 PM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

This is horseshit. A 2% drop in the tax rate isnt going to make up for the loss of the local and state tax deduction or the cap on property tax deductions if you live on the coasts and for proles they lose the ability to deduct health care expenses which for old proles is way bigger than the TTT standard deduction. The only people making out like bandits in this are billionaires. Even run of the mill millionaires will be lucky to come off breaking even on this tax cut.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706082)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:20 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Your analysis makes sense if we use your retarded definition of middle class. But in reality, the actual middle class doesn't deduct enough for this to hurt them. For most, even what they previously itemized will still probably fall below the new doubled standard deduction.

But yes, the upper middle class and upper middle class in high income tax states gets fucked.

And for the old poors, they aren't actually paying out of pocket for medical expenses. LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706134)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:25 PM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Not all deductions are itemized deductions. The student loan deduction is not itemized. Thats history now. Need I keep going? The alimony deduction too if you were deducting alimony above the line.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706182)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:30 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

For most in these less than common circumstances, this will be made up for in their increased standard deduction (even if it was itemized before it could still go up) and lower tax rates.

I do hate the alimony thing though. Theoretically, judges and state law would adjust.

Student loan deduction - you can't use this $2,500 limit deduction if you make more than $80,000 a year anyway. For those that make under $80,000 and use it, there is no doubt that the new standard deduction will make up for it. Even if it was previously above the line it can still be made up for with an increase below the line.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706225)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:39 PM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

There are so many of these less than common circumstances that basically everyone actually falls under one or more of them. Very few people are actually that John Q Smith filer who happens to live in a low tax state with low property taxes and who has absolutely no above the line deductions, and who does not itemize too. Basically every person who takes the standard deduction still has some above the line deductions. The assholes who designed this sham know that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706321)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:50 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Yes, but the increased below the line deductions make up for the eliminated abortion be the line if it's larger or equal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706424)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:00 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Deductions incentivize good behavior like going to school or saving money in an HSA or buying a house to fix up and rent out. The vast majority of this shit isnt about any special interests but about incentivizing obvious good behavior. Killing all this stuff so Ivanka can inherit a solid billion is not a good thing. Sorry. Pretending that upping the standard deduction more than makes up for all these lost deductions in all cases is cute though. It will in some cases, but wont in others. But you are picking winners and losers and you are doing so with no logic. Under the current system we known what activities are being incentivized and they are all good things no one can argue against with a straight face. This new system is just retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706496)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:02 AM
Author: Drab contagious black woman crotch

real question here is what income level you start to really benefit from this cut. I've heard mixed things from my UMC friends. It sounds like somewhere in the 400-500 thousand income range is when people start seriously saving money. obviously millionaires will save the most.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706507)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:14 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

How do you think they'll start saving money at that level? Have you looked at the new tax brackets?

Really only corporate tax rates are going down. A lawyers making $1,000,000 a year will have a large tax increase.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706586)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:24 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy startling skinny woman

I ran the numbers like 12 times and I think the lawyer marking 1mm breaks even. Like it is remarkably close. Definitely not material as a % of income.

They guy making 450k living in Cali who pays alimony is fucked though.

Would be nice if someone did a tax calculator on this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713518)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:33 PM
Author: Pale gaming laptop

Tax Foundation usually does this pretty quickly, but they’re dragging their feet this time. I suspect their donor base wants this to pass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713554)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:11 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

I'm pretty sure interest on a house you rent out will still be deductible.

Just admit you are furious your taxes are going up. You wouldn't care about any of this other shit if they weren't. In fact, you'd take the opposite positions if your taxes were going down under the plan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706574)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:21 PM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

Like this?

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799839&mc=12&forum_id=2#34704843

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706141)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:23 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Oh no, not the backs of the middle class biglaw senior associates! ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706164)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:29 PM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

And doctors and basically anyone with a brain who actually works for a living and isnt a rent seeking do nothing billionaire or hedge fund asshole living off carried interest which somehow yet again survives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706213)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Yes all those blue-collar laborers making under $100,000 a year aren't actually working for a living.

You are just mad your taxes will go up. Sorry - maybe move to Mother Russia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706242)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:32 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

13% flat tax in Russia. Moving there looks better by the day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706711)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:32 PM
Author: saffron aphrodisiac resort hissy fit

ljfl at your fantasy world. youre the 1% that most dems want to lynch you idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706246)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:41 PM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Which is why its all the more shocking that Republicans are going to do the lynching. Trump sticking it basically to every upper middle class bro is stupefying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706339)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:29 AM
Author: Vermilion Mischievous Ticket Booth

getting rid of personal exemptions will hurt people if they have kids. basically telling poors they shouldn't reproduce, which is actually pretty good policy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34708110)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:11 PM
Author: Motley Lake Hall Party Of The First Part

Anyone else click on this thread excited that deadbeats would finally pay their fair share?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706052)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:11 PM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706060)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:29 PM
Author: Ivory Diverse Shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706218)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

They are getting rid of all above the line non itemized deductions too so this hurts many people who never itemized too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706230)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: Ivory Diverse Shrine

what is your monthly alimony payment?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706239)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:32 PM
Author: bipolar rusted institution circlehead

It's not a lie. They move from 12% to 15%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706252)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:54 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Yes, if you are talking about the opposite of what's true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706460)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:43 PM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

How do th very rich benefit from the plan?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706358)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:47 PM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

No more death tax. Lower corporate tax. 180 rules on pass through entities. Carried interest survives. Nothing changes for tax shelters. Lawyers and doctors are the most fucked because the pass through rules wont apply to professional corps. 100% of ARE earnings get treated like earned income.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706394)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:52 PM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

So when libs say the rich are getting lower taxes, they mean the lower corporate tax rate. That benefits small businesses tho right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706447)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:03 AM
Author: Drab contagious black woman crotch

people who make very high salaries will also benefit obviously as the top rate was lowered, right? also wasn't the A.M.T. killed? that hits the rich the hardest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706515)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:28 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy startling skinny woman

Spends how you define rich. Amt phases out after you hit like 800k or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713533)



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Date: November 16th, 2017 11:57 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Lawyers and doctors should pay normal income tax rates. Just like they were before. And other pass through still will for the most part. Only 30% of income can use the new 25% rate unless it's a non worker shareholder.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706482)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:02 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

As if 30% isnt enough and as if there isnt widespread cheating in reporting by small businesses....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706508)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Just as much by lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706549)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:11 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Lawyers cant cheat. Its not a cash business and the revenue all goes through one operating account and one IOLTA account. Theres no room for any kind of tax machinations with the law firm model. Best you can do is keep some money in IOLTA for the next tax year and pretend it was earned later than it was and hope they dont rape you for it in an audit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706573)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:21 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Ljl you need to read the threads on here about deducting every vacation and meal

That's cheating just as much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706632)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:27 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Shitlaw solos (60% of lawyers +/-) cant do any of that. No auditor is going to believe they have business lunches with their heroin addicted personal injury clients or that they take business trips.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706670)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:04 AM
Author: Drab contagious black woman crotch

why not just do an across the board tax cut? instead of this mish mash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706519)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

Because they want to stick it extra hard to NYC and CA liberals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706543)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

CRRR. Bitch about that since it's valid. The middle class bullshit isn't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706554)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:14 AM
Author: Silver galvanic set juggernaut

The real problem with the middle class shit is most people are getting barely enough of a tax break to take a family of 4 to an NFL game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706587)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:16 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Yea so- they aren't paying much tax anyway. Maybe they'll enjoy the game

. A $1000k is a lot to those people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706605)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:25 AM
Author: Silver galvanic set juggernaut

I don't give a shit about those people. I'm just saying its disingenuous for repubs to act like this is some huge middle class gift because they can say 75% or whatever get a tax cut when it's peanuts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706662)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:28 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

But it's not peanuts to them. A family making $100k a year could save like $4k-5k a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706673)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

What passes for middle class in flyover country is mostly just poors. Its not middle anything. They are just deluded into thinking they arent gutter trash because they can afford heat and electricity and wifi on their pathetic 40k a year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706598)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:16 AM
Author: buff casino indirect expression

(Coastal elite)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706606)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:17 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

You are a dumb, insufferable faggot and this post was idiotic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706611)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:24 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

No its not. Half this country cant cobble together more than $400 liquid cash and yet they ALL think they are middle class. The plutocrats in this country somehow convinced every wage slave living paycheck to paycheck that they are middle class because they dont qualify for foodstamps. Its hilarious. Middle class means absolutely nothing in America today. Every asshole thinks the middle class begins with them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706655)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:31 AM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

You are seriously insane, even if this non sequitur has some truths

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34706692)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:54 AM
Author: Motley Lake Hall Party Of The First Part

He’s dumb not insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34708226)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 7:59 PM
Author: electric pearly tanning salon

"Only 30% of income can use the new 25% rate unless it's a non worker shareholder."

Any non-lazy person know how the relevant provision is written?

It's pretty easy to carve up ownership of, for instance, a law firm.

Law Firm LLC could be owned by two members: Individual Lawyer (20%) and Investor LLC (80%), where Investor LLC is owned by Individual Lawyer.

Lawyer would work for Law Firm LLC. Investor LLC would be passive.

Surely it can't be that easy to circumvent the rules.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713392)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:02 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

Lawyers doctors etc are excluded and just pay normal income tax on all of it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713411)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:05 PM
Author: electric pearly tanning salon

Excluded how?

In my example, Investor LLC wouldn't be performing legal services, it would simply own 80% of Law Firm LLC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713427)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:07 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

I'm sure they have protections for that but I'm not going to research that right now. I know it specifically excluded professional corporations. Also I don't think a law firm can be owned by an LLC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713442)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:09 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

This article explains it well

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2017/11/06/why-the-tax-cut-may-disappoint-owners-of-pass-through-entities/#192c138a7c2b

Looks like any service entity just pays normal personal income tax rates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713453)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:32 AM
Author: Obsidian French Hell

....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34708126)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:03 PM
Author: Free-loading corner

This is god's gift to flyovermo's. That the GOP/Trump is so bad at publicizing this is terribly incompetent on their part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713422)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:08 PM
Author: excitant sweet tailpipe

They are. But the liberal media is just completely misrepresenting it or flat out lying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713450)



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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:07 PM
Author: Laughsome Shivering Pervert Den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34730921)



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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:15 PM
Author: Pale gaming laptop

ITT, lots of doods who can’t be bothered to look at JCT’s distributional analysis.

https://www.jct.gov/publications.html?func=download&id=5042&chk=5042&no_html=1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3799978&forum_id=2#34713477)