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BIGLAWMOS: Hours check in... year is almost done, how many hours have u billed?
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:05 AM Author: Soul-stirring claret location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706529) |
Date: November 17th, 2017 12:06 AM Author: unhinged histrionic stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706535) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:07 AM Author: Angry Abode Ladyboy 2700 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706551) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: Soul-stirring claret location fuck bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706553) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: Angry Abode Ladyboy 2700.01 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706557) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: brilliant chapel old irish cottage 1330 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706556) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:09 AM Author: Soul-stirring claret location I hope ur kidding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706560) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:10 AM Author: brilliant chapel old irish cottage Why do you hope I'm kidding? I'm not kidding. It comes on the heels of a 1650 year (first year at firm), and an 1825 year (last year). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706567) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:12 AM Author: Angry Abode Ladyboy You’ll be fine. Every dipshit associate is trying to make America’s next top associate. The firm ultimately doesn’t care and just needs bodies. You can float by with your stats for like 7 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706578) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: brilliant chapel old irish cottage I learned this pretty quick...or I didn't give a fuck. Either way I laugh when I see people billing 2200+. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706650) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Angry Abode Ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706653) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:26 AM Author: Disturbing Lemon Newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706663) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Bull Headed Adventurous Trailer Park Depressive Guy who "gets it"*
(*"it" meaning "laid off") |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:13 PM Author: Soul-stirring claret location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34847274) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:49 AM Author: Canary Sanctuary Telephone that's utter bullshit. no firm is going to keep someone around who is billing those kinds of hours consistently. billing that every third year, fine, not every year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706790) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:51 AM Author: Angry Abode Ladyboy (Tyra Banks) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706801) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 3:07 AM Author: Adulterous Stubborn Business Firm shut up faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34707303) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: Bull Headed Adventurous Trailer Park Depressive Probably covers salary+overhead, plus not like there's a ton of associates these days. He's fine for the time being. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710079) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: irradiated territorial mother giraffe Probably covered salary and overhead at 600 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710100) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:52 AM Author: Sable puppy locus are you an utter slacker or what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706808) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: Orange disrespectful rehab 0 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706558) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: diverse degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710006) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:10 AM Author: Elite toaster 2060 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706565) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:26 AM Author: hot lodge ceo Just under 1800. Also have like 50 more in pro bono. Still not sure if they actually count that shit toward anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706665) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:28 AM Author: Angry Abode Ladyboy You should find out faggot. Don’t you want a gold star next to your name when the partners talk amongst each other?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706675) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:30 AM Author: hot lodge ceo They say they do. But I’ve never needed pro bono to make hours and I could see these money hungry fuckers coming up with a reason why they don’t count. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706682) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:32 AM Author: Angry Abode Ladyboy A lot of firms seek you out and give you a talk if you bill too many pb hours. It’s very bizarre, half of it is about how great it is that you’re helping people the other half is how you should do less of it. If you’re ever on a Section 1983 prisoner rights case expect to have this talk with the tight bodied “pro bono partner” once a quarter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706708) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:35 AM Author: hot lodge ceo Lol I just got roped into a 1983 case but it’ll only be a few 2017 hours. Probably a bunch in 18. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706722) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:37 AM Author: Angry Abode Ladyboy Tread carefully friend. It’s all fun and games and sucking off correctional officer dick but it can all come crashing down in an instant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706737) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:30 AM Author: chest-beating internet-worthy site goyim 2400 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706683) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:54 AM Author: bateful step-uncle's house 1488 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34706821) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 3:16 AM Author: Canary Sanctuary Telephone why are your hours so low? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34707327) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 3:58 AM Author: bateful step-uncle's house I blame the Jews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34707405) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:01 PM Author: Bronze motley jew whorehouse 180 subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34709981) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: exciting purple elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710007) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: bateful step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34709959) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: red really tough guy fat ankles *nervous laugh* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34709972) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:02 PM Author: Bronze motley jew whorehouse banker here, counting hours sounds killself worthy.
question: when we hire a firm on our deals, it's always for a fixed dollar amount. do they still have to count hours internally? |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: red really tough guy fat ankles Probably but they'll just make up wildly inflated numbers for fixed fee to try to hit billable for the year. Which isn't too dissimilar to billing on hourly matters now that I think about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710010) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: bateful step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710071) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead Yes, absolutely. The associates likely don't know about the arrangement. The partners will dump in a ton of hours if there's room in the budget so that they can make their own hour targets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710028) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:14 PM Author: red really tough guy fat ankles At my firm there are code words for this.
"Try to be efficient" means we are getting a flat fee or the client is cheap and the partner is going to write off half my hours and blame me regardless, so either way I'm going to bill aggressively.
"Let's cover every base on this one" means the client has deep pockets and we should run up the bill.
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: Bronze motley jew whorehouse do you end up getting fucked at the end of the year because ur like "hey I billed 2400 hours" and the partner is like "yeah but we had to write off 1/3 of them hehe" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710144) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:18 PM Author: Cruel-hearted frisky stage fortuitous meteor not at good firms where 3rd years bill $650 an hour and clear their salary and overhead at 700 hours.
at lower amlaw 100 shops where the hourly is $300ish, realization rate is definitely part of the review and bonus discussion |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: exciting purple elastic band Law firms have a system that allow you to see what your realization rate is based on how much you billed versus how much went on the actual bill versus how much the client actually paid
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:22 PM Author: Bronze motley jew whorehouse surprised biglaw suicides aren't a daily thing. i guess if i had to count hours i would just work like normal and then totally make up the hours to achieve whatever number i wanted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710200) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:23 PM Author: exciting purple elastic band You can't just "work normally" and expect to keep your job. If you're not getting shit done you'll just get fired. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710209) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Bronze motley jew whorehouse i mean in my job now i work long hours and everything, but i don't sit around saying "oh i spent 6 minutes reading that email and 45 minutes on that conference call." i'd just do my work and then at the end of the month i'd backfill to get to 237 hours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710253) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:28 PM Author: exciting purple elastic band yeah, you don't have to track it that accurately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710263) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:28 PM Author: irradiated territorial mother giraffe Not all firm -in mine this information was locked up tighter than Fort Knox (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710265) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:31 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead I've worked at two big firms. One was super-secretive about anything and I never heard about hours; the other was much more open about it, partners asking why you were in the bottom third of the office for a month, only had 91.6% realization, etc. Far preferred the former. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710297) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:32 PM Author: irradiated territorial mother giraffe The only plausible reason for the latter is to make the associates even more competitive with each other than they already are.
I'm pretty sure my firm kept so tightlipped because they didn't want associates knowing how much they were making off us relative to our salaries. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:32 PM Author: exciting purple elastic band lol the head of our group gave us the firm's income statement and everything. Maybe my firm is just pretty transparent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710308) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:33 PM Author: chartreuse school cafeteria roast beef ive been at 2 firms and it's been wildly different. at first firm, there was no access. at the second i get monthly emails about it and i can actually see this information for all timekeepers who have billed to a given matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710322) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: exciting purple elastic band 1750 right now. I should be pretty close to 2000 by the end of the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710019) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: Wine address internal respiration mine ends sept 30 - 2005 hours. i don't bill for the vast majority of my travel time, though, so that should be like 2300 hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710023) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:05 PM Author: exciting purple elastic band do the clients pay for it? Billing for travel time is extremely 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710037) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: Wine address internal respiration rainmaker i get most of my work from (like 95%) has a policy where his clients don't get charged for travel time.
so basically i eat like 300+ hours a year because we travel all the time. you figure out ways to get billable work done while traveling but it sucks ass. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:10 PM Author: exciting purple elastic band yeah, that's gay as hell.
Last year I had this big project where I was on the road for basically a month. It was a billing bonanza. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: irradiated territorial mother giraffe I'm pretty sure you were reading Depo transcripts on the plane. Might want to review that entry again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710052) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: Wine address internal respiration oh, i do miniscule amounts of work on planes and there is some serious padding that goes on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710060) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: mint mind-boggling mad cow disease Probably like 1000. We don't really do doc review, so it is hard to manufacture time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710025) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:06 PM Author: Cruel-hearted frisky stage fortuitous meteor 1358 client chargeable to date. paternity leave starts any day now and my two weeks drop on my first day back from leave (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710039) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead 1,834.2 mostly on about 90 vc deals. What a life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710061) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: glittery lavender filthpig home you did 90 VC deals from your garage office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710105) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:13 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710111) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:13 PM Author: glittery lavender filthpig home 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710117) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:15 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead Working for someone who's cool with WFH is great. Also miss all of the office negativity and don't have to go to firm events. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710136) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: irradiated territorial mother giraffe You get paid hourly right? Did your pay rate depend on what theyre billing you at on the certain project or is it the same no matter what (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710143) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:18 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead Yeah. Same no matter what. Most clients have the same rate. Some are lower for historical reasons. I get a small % of the work I bring in, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710162) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: irradiated territorial mother giraffe Do they gyp you by writing down your hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710175) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:21 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead No, I get paid for what's on my time entries. I tend to be fairly conservative with billing, though. If they were consistently eating time I'm sure I'd hear it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710198) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:13 PM Author: mint mind-boggling mad cow disease I think SV garage startups prefer this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710119) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead We have an office I just don't go to it. Most clients don't know that I'm not in khakis in an office. The clients who do know seem to think it's cool, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710141) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:16 PM Author: glittery lavender filthpig home do they know you tuck your tshirt into your jeans and eat tofu "pork" buns in a garage all day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710149) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:20 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead Jeans are weekend-only and I'm UNTUCKED unless the shirt is super long and I haven't had the hem raised or I'm wearing a sportcoat.
Usually basketball shorts and an old t-shirt. I have a dress shirt on a hanger that I wear (usually) if I have a video call.
They do not know about the "pork" buns or "beef" noodle soup. |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:58 PM Author: Soggy Sneaky Criminal Range the dress shirt on the hanger is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34711005) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:14 PM Author: heady outnumbered center pisswyrm do you keep an emergency romper, felt hat, brunch bags and a blonde wig for your wife in case clients stop by unexpectedly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713471) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Doobsian University Electric Furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710064) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:23 PM Author: Deranged azure spot dog poop 2200. Fiscal year ends Nov 31. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710206) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:24 PM Author: Aqua Marvelous Circlehead Is that what's expected or are you just busy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710215) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:30 PM Author: Deranged azure spot dog poop I'm busy but I also like to work a lot since it results in me making more money. most partners do not bill anywhere near 2000 and most associates bill around 2000. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710287) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:35 PM Author: big misunderstood stain pozpig You’ve been a bill pig for 10 years and you don’t know November has 30 days? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713563) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:53 AM Author: arousing regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34730788) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:55 AM Author: big-titted pocket flask 30 days hath September April June and November All the rest have 31 Save February. Calendars are fun! |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Rough-skinned confused kitty cat faggot firefighter 2,000. Will be at 2300 by year end. Took a month off between vacation and paternity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710250) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 1:35 PM Author: chartreuse school cafeteria roast beef ended oct. 31. 2,008 hours with over 300 the last month to get there lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710343) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 5:13 PM Author: irradiated territorial mother giraffe (me in 2016). Literally billed an extra hour late at night so my time sheet wouldn't read 2000.4 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34712155) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:39 PM Author: arousing regret idk like 1950? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710871) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:14 PM Author: laughsome painfully honest dingle berry gaming laptop What do you think one of us is Ina better position to answer this question for you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713476) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:49 PM Author: swashbuckling ungodly sandwich Ended 10/31. Approx 2400. Lol at the slackers itt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710932) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 2:50 PM Author: arousing regret aren't you like a 12th year associate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34710942) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:11 PM Author: swashbuckling ungodly sandwich Nah... not yet at least (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713458) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 5:16 PM Author: flirting library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34712179) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:22 PM Author: milky plaza windowlicker U just cop those $5000 retainers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713909) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 8:38 PM Author: Offensive Rigor Multi-billionaire About 1700 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713579) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:11 PM Author: Walnut Lay Gay Wizard Who knows. We have a program that logs our time, but I just make up the hours every month. I'm bigfed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713826) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:13 PM Author: Zippy self-absorbed office mexican 1650 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713840) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:23 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle liquid oxygen GOOOD GOYIM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713925) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 9:24 PM Author: lilac zombie-like police squad bawdyhouse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI3WdytWJvc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34713932) |
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Date: November 17th, 2017 10:11 PM Author: bateful step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34714363) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 12:09 PM Author: bateful step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34717030) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 12:17 PM Author: big-titted pocket flask Let's just say I hit the bonus tier I want a while ago and have very little marginal incentive to bill any more time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34717081) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: Razzmatazz Glassy Den 1418 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34717335) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:15 PM Author: Soul-stirring claret location hehe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800086&forum_id=2#34847284) |