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Explain to me again why a "Flat Tax" is unfair? Thank

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DAT ability to pay
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FAIR SHARE FAIR SHARE FAIR SHARE
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Would be horribly regressive to low income earners.
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yeah, no. try again.
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As compared to the current system, any amount of tax paid wo...
Soul-stirring white international law enforcement agency electric furnace
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I agree. But why do 46% of Americans pay ZERO federal taxes?
Pearl irate halford set
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Because somebody thought it was a good idea to let non-lando...
Soul-stirring white international law enforcement agency electric furnace
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It's not like they actually vote anyway.
Pearl irate halford set
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TBF, income taxes brother. Not all federal taxes.
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yes... why do 46% of Americans not pay federal income taxes...
Pearl irate halford set
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that's a misuse of the term. when your car slows down you a...
tantric aromatic death wish
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I provided a standard shitlib response for entertainment pur...
Soul-stirring white international law enforcement agency electric furnace
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fair enough on your first point but why bring up a consumpt...
tantric aromatic death wish
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It’s communism, you are taking from each as they can.
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I’d support it. But I always lulz when my libertarian friend...
vengeful faggotry dog poop
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"What do you mean college expenses, mortgages, food, ut...
lavender library
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no, it wouldn't.
tantric aromatic death wish
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lol, just, lol
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(dumbass)
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Google "marginal utility."
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Lol cr lol at this libertariantard
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That assumes that everyone has the same income/wealth utilit...
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Nice to see you going full retard again
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Lol cr
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Utility monster arguments are sps little bro
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I'm not taking it that far. It is entirely plausible, for ex...
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IF you believe in an income tax, THEN that tax should tax la...
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Everyone needs skin in the game. Even someone making $20k sh...
Effete sweet tailpipe hominid
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Yeah, that's absurd. Not even worth the time to fill out the...
Gaped flirting personal credit line
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The IRS doesn't look at like 95% of tax forms. It's all comp...
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It's too easy to spend OPM. Everyone contributes
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What is the benefit of this "everyone contributes"...
Gaped flirting personal credit line
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agency. agency leads to pride. pride leads to ego. ego lead...
tantric aromatic death wish
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Do you think today's 30k earners have "agency"? Th...
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its not unfair but impractical there is no good flat tax ...
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bullshit the flat tax should apply to corporations, too bu...
tantric aromatic death wish
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as you earn more money, it's used less for necessities and m...
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But, I want poor people to starve and die.
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one mans necessity is another mans vanity. i mean most of wh...
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Yes, and that's exactly why the middle class is taxed more t...
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Do you see what poors buy? This is not the Congo. Poors are ...
twinkling excitant principal's office laser beams
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Again, if umc guy derives 100 utils from each $100 golf club...
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Our tax system, whether current or proposed, has nothing to ...
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A strawman exists when I characterize your position weakly s...
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leans into mic what fucks poors, if anything, are the incen...
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That's fine, but we can just talk about empirical/realized t...
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Taxes should, ideally, reflect a roughly equal burden on all...
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What about the bottom that pays nothing and just votes thems...
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We have lamentably created a welfare state where many pay ef...
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Flame jumped the shark here
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Brother, you seem confused.
jade floppy mad-dog skullcap
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Well they should pay something.
Effete sweet tailpipe hominid
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nobody is supporting a welfare state ITT. opposition to flat...
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My point is if you oppose the flat tax in favour of what we ...
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there is nothing more equal than a flat tax congratulations...
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*gets paid 80k in stock options* One weird trick hehe
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Date: November 17th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set



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Date: November 19th, 2017 4:32 AM
Author: Pearl irate halford set



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Date: November 19th, 2017 6:14 AM
Author: hairraiser heaven preventive strike

DAT ability to pay

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Date: November 19th, 2017 7:21 AM
Author: shimmering jet-lagged meetinghouse immigrant

High-earners end up paying a disproportionately high amount in absolute terms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34722379)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:12 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set

LOL

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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: Brindle marvelous bawdyhouse roommate

lol

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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac indian lodge hunting ground



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:30 PM
Author: tripping sienna tank



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:59 PM
Author: Seedy stirring pocket flask



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:09 PM
Author: haunting spruce school love of her life



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:07 PM
Author: Sepia Locale



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:21 PM
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Date: November 19th, 2017 8:45 AM
Author: jade floppy mad-dog skullcap

FAIR SHARE FAIR SHARE FAIR SHARE

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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: Soul-stirring white international law enforcement agency electric furnace

Would be horribly regressive to low income earners.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34739633)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:24 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

yeah, no. try again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740165)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:59 PM
Author: Soul-stirring white international law enforcement agency electric furnace

As compared to the current system, any amount of tax paid would necessarily be considered horribly regressive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740469)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:17 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set

I agree. But why do 46% of Americans pay ZERO federal taxes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740577)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:22 PM
Author: Soul-stirring white international law enforcement agency electric furnace

Because somebody thought it was a good idea to let non-landowners vote?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740615)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:25 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set

It's not like they actually vote anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740645)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:22 PM
Author: rambunctious exciting stock car

TBF, income taxes brother. Not all federal taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740616)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:24 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set

yes... why do 46% of Americans not pay federal income taxes?

I feel like economic theories are all bullshit fraudlie$.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740640)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:33 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

that's a misuse of the term.

when your car slows down you aren't going horribly in reverse

less progressive =/= regressive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740710)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:12 PM
Author: Soul-stirring white international law enforcement agency electric furnace

I provided a standard shitlib response for entertainment purposes only.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Hall-Rabushka tax would be highly regressive, in part because high-income households tend to consume less of their income than lower-income households and because investment income would not be taxed (or rather double-taxed).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34741089)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:21 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

fair enough on your first point

but why bring up a consumption tax when we are talking about income tax? and just because 'tend' exists, a flat tax on consumption is still a flat tax.

investment income should be taxed as income. it is income. that aspect of hall rabushka is fairly considered regressive because it treats different types of income differently, by definition, to the wealthier peoples' benefits



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34741173)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: Black Forum Jap

It’s communism, you are taking from each as they can.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34739637)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 12:22 PM
Author: vengeful faggotry dog poop

I’d support it. But I always lulz when my libertarian friends making like $100k poast about how great it would be on Facebook. These are dudes with SAHM wives, kids, and mortgages. A flat tax would absolutely fuck them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34739669)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:19 PM
Author: lavender library

"What do you mean college expenses, mortgages, food, utilities, and car payments are consumption?! How am I supposed to live if I have to pay taxes on all of that?!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740107)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:25 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

no, it wouldn't.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740185)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: vengeful faggotry dog poop

lol, just, lol

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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:43 PM
Author: Thirsty Tanning Salon Multi-billionaire

(dumbass)

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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:26 PM
Author: Contagious greedy french chef



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:39 PM
Author: abnormal sound barrier

Google "marginal utility."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740304)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 1:42 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set

He He Hehehehehehehehhehehehehehhehehehehehehhehehehehehe

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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:21 PM
Author: titillating hospital partner

Lol cr lol at this libertariantard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740602)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: twinkling excitant principal's office laser beams

That assumes that everyone has the same income/wealth utility curve. Which is stupid. What happens if higher income earners have a curve which is parallel but shifted up materially higher vs low income earners? Point being we have no way to measure or asses utility curves between people only within one person so you can never use marginal utility to justify a macro policy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34740866)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:59 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:00 PM
Author: jade floppy mad-dog skullcap

Nice to see you going full retard again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744380)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:10 PM
Author: cracking bbw legend



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:12 PM
Author: Flushed theatre dingle berry

Lol cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744442)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:04 PM
Author: Sickened travel guidebook

LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744400)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:13 PM
Author: Flushed theatre dingle berry

Utility monster arguments are sps little bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744448)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:50 PM
Author: twinkling excitant principal's office laser beams

I'm not taking it that far. It is entirely plausible, for example if taking $200 from a poor just means they can't afford oxy for the next little while vs. taking $200 from a UMC means he isn't gonna enroll his kids in soccer camp.

Let me be clear, I can also formulate many examples going the other way. I just don't like utility arguments like that because unless we are talking about the taking away of basic necessities (we are not) then its a stupid way to approach things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744697)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:03 PM
Author: Sickened travel guidebook



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:04 PM
Author: Gaped flirting personal credit line

IF you believe in an income tax, THEN that tax should tax labor.

Gains in earnings for high income individual generally does not come from labor. Too often, these individuals gain income from capital, not labor.

Special interests will never let this happen, but tcr tax plan would be 0% up to $150k, ~20% up to 500k, and ~70% thereafter. This stat doesn't get pushed hard enough, but we could have 95% of this country pay jack shit and just tax the fuck out of the super rich. The idea that $60k earners should spend a week doing taxes to write an $8k check is absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744403)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:19 PM
Author: Transparent offensive corner athletic conference

titmfcr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744479)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:20 PM
Author: Effete sweet tailpipe hominid

Everyone needs skin in the game. Even someone making $20k should have to pay $100.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744484)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:33 PM
Author: Gaped flirting personal credit line

Yeah, that's absurd. Not even worth the time to fill out the form, have the government look things over, and deal with collections of back taxes.

And just LOL at the logic that not having skin in the game, or the threat of a higher rate, stopping someone from earning more. 10 out of 10 people will choose to earn more and pay more under ANY tax code.

I'm a huge Trumpmo and the plan in my OP is tcr populist solution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744569)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:36 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set

The IRS doesn't look at like 95% of tax forms. It's all computerized.

That said, I'm purposely being a contrarian faggot in this thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744597)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:45 PM
Author: Effete sweet tailpipe hominid

It's too easy to spend OPM. Everyone contributes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744659)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:02 PM
Author: Gaped flirting personal credit line

What is the benefit of this "everyone contributes" mantra? It's a fucking collosal waste of time for all involved. Are you some sort of sadist?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744787)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:18 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

agency.

agency leads to pride. pride leads to ego. ego leads to not being worthless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744949)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:21 PM
Author: Gaped flirting personal credit line

Do you think today's 30k earners have "agency"? This is preposterous leap of logic and completely separate from the discussion at hand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744966)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:07 PM
Author: Fragrant space

its not unfair but impractical

there is no good flat tax rate to use unless you are willing to either destroy the federal govt or the poor/lower middle class people

set it too low to not affect the poor/lower middle class and you wont raise enough revenue. set it too high and you are going to make life miserable for people making < 60K or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744428)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:05 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

bullshit

the flat tax should apply to corporations, too

but your assertion is bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744812)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:08 PM
Author: startling mint shitlib

as you earn more money, it's used less for necessities and more for vanity. It's more of a hardship to take $1 of someone's necessity $ than another's vanity $.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744430)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:09 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set

But, I want poor people to starve and die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744437)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:14 PM
Author: Flushed theatre dingle berry



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:10 PM
Author: Fragrant space

one mans necessity is another mans vanity. i mean most of what XO bros think as normal stuff (vacations, multiple cars, home improvements) would be considered absolute waste by the poor. So I dont believe in this argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744440)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:15 PM
Author: Flushed theatre dingle berry

Yes, and that's exactly why the middle class is taxed more than the poor. Everyone gets taxed the same on the first 15k so they can rent a house. If you make 30k, the next 15k is taxed more because you're gonna buy luxuries with it (extra clothes, nicer food).

If you're arguing that middle-class guy X values tshirts more highly than poor guy Y values a house, you're making cgm's argument above, to which the government says I don't care. If rich guy Z values everything more highly than everyone else he doesn't just get everything, because that's not fair. Those are arguments against the utility monster.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744457)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:15 PM
Author: twinkling excitant principal's office laser beams

Do you see what poors buy? This is not the Congo. Poors are buying useless shit not necessities.

what you are effectively saying is that there is more "use" for a poor dood to buy a bag of chips every week vs. a UMC dood buying a golf club. I don't see how you can actually confidently say this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744460)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:27 PM
Author: Flushed theatre dingle berry

Again, if umc guy derives 100 utils from each $100 golf club and poor guy derives .5 utils from each $1 bag of chips, it would be more efficient for all the poor people to starve and for umc dudes to have 1000 golf clubs each.

But we make sure people have money for food (by taxing lower incomes less) because they need to eat, even if it's not efficient

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744526)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:45 PM
Author: twinkling excitant principal's office laser beams

Our tax system, whether current or proposed, has nothing to do with whether or not poors eat. That is a strawman. Any alternative tax protocol that could realistically be introduced in the US would, at worst, bite into the massive degree of frivolous spending that poors do and not their basic necessities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744660)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:50 PM
Author: Flushed theatre dingle berry

A strawman exists when I characterize your position weakly so I can refute it easily. I don't see how I've done that.

And I don't at all see how that would be the case. With a flat marginal rate inequality will widen and disproportionately fuck the poors. I really don't think your obsession with poors buying potato chips is going to lead to an economic revolution. You might consider looking at corporate rents, which is growing faster as a share of the economy than land, capital, labor, etc and is without question a bigger waste of money than laquisha buying a sprite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744699)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:07 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

leans into mic

what fucks poors, if anything, are the incentives and tricks that corporations are permitted to take advantage of to avoid paying full taxes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744838)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:13 PM
Author: Flushed theatre dingle berry

That's fine, but we can just talk about empirical/realized tax rates.

If the corporate rate is 35% but corps weasle it to 25%, and the flat tax is 15% with no friction, then the flat tax is still lower.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744907)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:14 PM
Author: Unhinged Son Of Senegal Lodge

Taxes should, ideally, reflect a roughly equal burden on all citizens. Taxes on the wealthy should be higher to give them a burden similar to the one felt by middle class taxpayers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744451)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:17 PM
Author: twinkling excitant principal's office laser beams

What about the bottom that pays nothing and just votes themselves goodies? What is their burden.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744469)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:21 PM
Author: Unhinged Son Of Senegal Lodge

We have lamentably created a welfare state where many pay effectively nothing. That's a poor argument for creating a flat tax though when America's most damaging social ill is intensifying inequality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744491)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:34 PM
Author: jade floppy mad-dog skullcap

Flame jumped the shark here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744580)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:37 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set

(With HER)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744603)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:37 PM
Author: jade floppy mad-dog skullcap

Brother, you seem confused.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744604)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:22 PM
Author: Effete sweet tailpipe hominid

Well they should pay something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744502)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:24 PM
Author: Fragrant space

nobody is supporting a welfare state ITT. opposition to flat tax doesn't mean we support a welfare state. i think its possible to oppose both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744509)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:44 PM
Author: twinkling excitant principal's office laser beams

My point is if you oppose the flat tax in favour of what we have now, then you must also face the fact that the current system PROMOTES a welfare state. So yea, you can say your against the welfare state, but if you are shooting down alternatives to the "progressive" tax system which allows poors to never face financial consequences for their voting habits, you are propping up the welfare state, even if that is not your intention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744643)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:09 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

there is nothing more equal than a flat tax

congratulations for making burden a euphemism



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744854)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:20 PM
Author: talented bipolar idea he suggested

Chris Rock summed it up best talking about alimony

"if you make 30 million and the bitch want 15, that's fine you ain't starvin. but if you make 30 thousand and the bitch want half, you just might have to kill her!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744487)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:27 PM
Author: Pearl irate halford set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744530)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:38 PM
Author: Sickened travel guidebook



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744605)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:16 PM
Author: startling mint shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744936)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:39 PM
Author: Curious trailer park puppy

i see nothing wrong with crying about the disproportionate share of tax paid by the rich without also mentioning the share of income that accrues to the rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744615)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:42 PM
Author: jade floppy mad-dog skullcap

I see nothing wrong with crying about the disproportionate share of services consumed by the poor without also mentioning the share of taxes paid by the poor

look, I can’t type stupid tripe just like you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744629)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 9:57 PM
Author: Adventurous disgusting office haunted graveyard

As long as there is a rebate/universal basic income, could be workable, though all things in moderation, including simplicity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744748)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:10 PM
Author: tantric aromatic death wish

as long as there is...

spouts bullshit that runs counter to the entire point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744867)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:03 PM
Author: Gaped flirting personal credit line

*gets paid 80k in stock options*

One weird trick hehe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34744797)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 10:27 PM
Author: startling mint shitlib

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3800962&forum_id=2#34745011)