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U.S. cities with surprisingly large skylines?
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:20 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728219) |
Date: November 20th, 2017 12:20 AM Author: Aphrodisiac filthpig A lot of the smaller Midwestern cities, such as Dayton, OH or Toledo, OH
also suburbs of Washington DC, because you can't build real skyscrapers in DC. Tyson's Corner is an impressive skyline. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:22 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat just googled. CR. didn't realize NoVa was so city-like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728236) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Aphrodisiac filthpig downtown Bethesda, MD also pretty impressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728240) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:24 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat who knew the DC area was a megapolis on par with NY and SF. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728254) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:32 AM Author: Charismatic Police Squad lulzy subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728315) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:28 AM Author: Translucent mischievous orchestra pit Arlington's funky set of mini-downtowns created by the Metro system is an interesting "skyline" in its own right, though the buildings mostly top out around 20 stories for now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728281) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:30 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat what does this mean? urban areas that are hyper concentrated near metro stops then suburbs in between? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728292) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:34 AM Author: aggressive degenerate french chef Most cities are 2-d - they spread out east/west and north/south. Orange line in Arlington is like a 1-d city. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728335) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:36 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat you guys were right on about orange line (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728352) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 AM Author: Translucent mischievous orchestra pit Yeah, basically the Metro stops Rosslyn, Courthouse, Clarendon, Ballston, and Pentagon City/Crystal City all have heavy development with moderate high-rises (think 15-20 stories) but the turf between them is all suburban-style single-story commercial buildings, garden apartments, and single-family homes.
Here's an image of the Orange Line:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit-oriented_development#/media/File%3AArlingtonTODimage3.jpg |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:37 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat interesting.
so basically when people talk about the people in the "Washington suburbs" - it's really the same people as those in Washington, they just decide to live right by the metro rather than in shithole studios in DC proper? |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:42 AM Author: aggressive degenerate french chef There's still a yuge difference between the "city" life in Northern VA and the city life in DC. There are fewer establishments of cultural or social interest per unit area in NOVA cities than there are per unit area in DC. Even the most DC-like of the suburbs, Arlington, offers a surprisingly narrow set of options for eat, drink, entertainment, etc. Reston is entirely chains. Tysons is little more than an enormous corporate park.
While there is a huge difference now, the rate of change is really fast in the NOVA cities. IMO they could become legitimate, appealing cities in the next 20 years. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:44 AM Author: Translucent mischievous orchestra pit Not necessarily. NoVa is quite vast so the overall number of people overwhelms the people living in high-density zones right by the Metro. Fairfax County is 1.1 million people and the vast majority are not that close to a station. Hell I live in Arlington proper and it's a half-hour walk for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728403) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:51 AM Author: Swashbuckling high-end really tough guy weed whacker are the DC burbs getting more expensive now that DC itself has gotten so built up? or has it had the opposite effect (people moving back to the city making Virginia prices cheaper)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728441) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:10 AM Author: Translucent mischievous orchestra pit Not an expert but I'd guess D.C. is only getting more expensive. It's a weird metro though, because the high cost of living is very disproportionately driven by childcare costs rather than just rent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728517) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:47 AM Author: Geriatric pontificating fortuitous meteor Arlington is 85% white and has very little crime, and COL is slightly cheaper than living around homeless pissy drunks in DC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728426) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:53 AM Author: Translucent mischievous orchestra pit No way Arlington is 85% white unless you're counting all Hispanics as white. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728452) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:58 AM Author: Swashbuckling high-end really tough guy weed whacker it's not even that high if you count hispanic whites.
in 2012:
64% non-hispanic white
9% black
10% asian
15% hispanic
it's probably less white now. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:07 AM Author: Translucent mischievous orchestra pit Yeah seriously NoVa is insanely diverse now. It's all Amharic-friendly computer shops, Vietnamese restaurants, and Mexican laundromats strung along streets named after Confederate generals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728503) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:57 AM Author: Outnumbered private investor That last bit will be changing soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34729981) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:37 AM Author: Translucent mischievous orchestra pit They'll change Davis highway but I'm less sure of the rest. Something like 30 streets in Alexandria have Confederate names (including Van Dorn St/metro stop) so changing all of them would be a pretty serious expense and hassle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730657) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:35 PM Author: Vibrant ruddy kitchen lol @ shitlibs caring about expense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34735794) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:42 AM Author: aggressive degenerate french chef Silver line gives a very different perspective on the Tysons skyline. 2-3 years ago you couldn't be a mile away from the edge of Tysons and be elevated enough to get above the tree line. Now as you approach it on the silver line, you can. That elevation lets you see how many huge buildings there are in a fairly small land area. I was really shocked the first time I rode into Tysons on the train.
The biggest buildings to be built in Virginia are under construction on Rt 7 in Tysons now. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:59 AM Author: Mind-boggling clear rigor the amazing part of Dayton is that you get downtown and it is ALL EMPTY. I once had a depo at a Dayton skyscraper with entire disused floors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34729995) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 10:01 AM Author: Abnormal wine affirmative action personal credit line The tallest building in Dayton was 100% vacant as recently as a few years ago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730008) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:38 PM Author: Maroon Twinkling Uncleanness Dayton is experiencing a revival and PE firms have bought all the towers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34735806) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: excitant impertinent gas station headpube Dayton sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34735937) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:21 AM Author: Wonderful overrated mood locus Syracuse, NY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728229) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat I dunno bro, I'm not seeing it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728243) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Odious Pervert Native its a very interesting city
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Date: November 20th, 2017 10:43 AM Author: Chartreuse spot mad cow disease first time I went up to Cuse was at night on I81 north. you come over a hill by the indian reservation and all the sudden you see crazy lights like you're approaching a boston or philly or somewhere. Then 81 takes you right through the city, so close to the buildings. Its pretty cool. Its also mostly vacant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730319) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: twisted friendly grandma manhattan, san francisco, chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728239) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat fail (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728245) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Deep theatre rigpig Chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728244) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat come on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728247) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:24 AM Author: Deep theatre rigpig what's your problem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728252) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:24 AM Author: twisted friendly grandma he has aids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728259) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:24 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat I don't appreciate laziness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728261) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:26 AM Author: fighting glittery ticket booth cities that are the de facto capital of a large geographic region sometimes develop that sort of thing despite their size. des moines has c. 700K people in its metro, but its skyline looks like this:
an extreme example might be yellowknife, which is decently built-up in the city core despite only having 20,000 people.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Downtown_Yellowknife_2_second_version.jpg |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:29 AM Author: Wonderful overrated mood locus Charleston, WV is another example of this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728286) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:33 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat this one is good too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728323) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:29 AM Author: Wonderful overrated mood locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728287) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:31 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat I like how the second one goes from literally nothing to skyline in about 2 miles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728302) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 2:21 AM Author: contagious at-the-ready party of the first part church building I remember being baffled when I drove into Yellowknife. I was expecting a standard 20k town, but instead found a fair number of decently tall office/government buildings. It could also just be because the city is a frozen 20 below hellhole in the winter that it's easier to manage keeping basic services/roads running if workplaces are less spread out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728837) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:27 AM Author: peach trip dragon TCR is Columbus, Ohio and Pittsburgh, PA
Also, Downtown Fort Lauderdale, Tampa and Rochester, NY are surprisingly large |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:31 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat I would expect Fort Lauderdale to be pretty large. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728307) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:36 PM Author: Vibrant ruddy kitchen Pittsburgh is very cr Columbus is about as big as you'd expect though |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:29 AM Author: Wonderful overrated mood locus Greenville, SC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728290) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:53 AM Author: primrose giraffe Pretty small for it's population (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728450) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:31 AM Author: twisted friendly grandma honolulu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728300) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:32 AM Author: Embarrassed to the bone internal respiration toilet seat that one is pretty good.
I was expecting it to be large but not that large. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:35 AM Author: Bonkers generalized bond legal warrant Miami has a gorgeous skyline. simply gorgeous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728341) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:39 PM Author: claret pungent coffee pot tanning salon Miami is ranked #36 in the world for number of buildings over 100m. 3rd in US after NY and Chi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34735815) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:40 AM Author: cocky salmon state Shreveport, LA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728372) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:42 AM Author: floppy background story minneapolis
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Minneapolis_skyline_from_Prospect_Park_Water_Tower%2C_July_2014.jpg/900px-Minneapolis_skyline_from_Prospect_Park_Water_Tower%2C_July_2014.jpg |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:53 AM Author: haunting den I sometimes wish the twin cities had just one downtown. Could theoretically be a more impressive city in certain respects, including the skyline (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728449) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:42 AM Author: Underhanded chapel goyim OTOH, Minneapolis and St. Paul have very different vibes, which is kind of cool. If it was just meshed together then you would notice more that these cities aren't actually close to anything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730697) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:42 AM Author: fishy reading party Sydney (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728384) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:44 AM Author: Sick business firm legend tampa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728396) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:45 AM Author: fishy reading party Shanghai (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728409) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:55 AM Author: Swashbuckling high-end really tough guy weed whacker Jacksonville
San Diego
Orlando
Charlotte
Austin |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:58 AM Author: Flirting mad-dog skullcap electric furnace Atlantic City, NJ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728467) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:58 AM Author: Swashbuckling high-end really tough guy weed whacker to be fair though, Revel is abandoned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728473) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:28 AM Author: primrose giraffe Why are people naming mid-tier metro areas like Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Columbus, etc.?
That 15-30th ranked metro areas by population group has a pretty standard looking skyline.
You can just add Kansas City, San Diego, Denver, Tampa, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, etc. to the ones previously mentioned. |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 1:59 AM Author: peach trip dragon Interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34728762) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: primrose giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730685) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:58 AM Author: Outnumbered private investor Buffalo NY has some beautiful Art Deco skyscrapers. Dallas has a 180 skyline (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34729985) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: primrose giraffe Dallas is the 4th largest metro area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730687) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:59 AM Author: Maroon Twinkling Uncleanness The better thread is to call out surprisingly small skylines, faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34729992) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 10:30 AM Author: Bull Headed Gay Regret Probably some beach resort towns? Not that familiar with the US, but I know in Europe and Asia, there are small resort towns that have huge hotels lining the water (e.g. Benidorm) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730253) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:42 AM Author: primrose giraffe (guy from Myrtle Beach) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730691) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 5:33 AM Author: Bull Headed Gay Regret Benidorm has 30 skyscrapers over 100 meters (similar to San Diego, which is a good 20 times bigger), Myrtle Beach has exactly one, so looks like it doesn't quite compare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34737638) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 10:40 AM Author: Chartreuse spot mad cow disease Springfield Mass surprised me. also Rochester ny. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34730310) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:44 AM Author: Underhanded chapel goyim Grand Rapids, MI: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/grand-rapids-michigan-royalty-free-image/498554434?esource=SEO_GIS_CDN_Redirect
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:30 PM Author: Buck-toothed lodge Houston has a couple downtown like skylines
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Uptown_Houston.jpg/1200px-Uptown_Houston.jpg |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 9:32 PM Author: Maroon Twinkling Uncleanness Uptown Houston, Medical Center and Greenway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34735774) |
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Date: November 21st, 2017 3:34 AM Author: Abnormal wine affirmative action personal credit line Pretty sad and lacking compared to the next biggest city, Chicago (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34737453) |
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Date: November 20th, 2017 10:00 PM Author: Navy beady-eyed antidepressant drug St. Louis has the best skyline in the US. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803135&forum_id=2#34735989) |