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Should the Upper Middle Class Take the Biggest Tax Hit?

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You are leaving out the privilege and benefits those people ...
umber becky fat ankles
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I still think the family making $150K -$300K in Ohio or Texa...
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Yeah I have self-employed friends making sub $50k who will b...
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It is insanity. Sucks for them. My wife is going to do contr...
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I don’t think this will pass. This is not why people vote re...
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the world hates, and always has hated, the umc.
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UMC gets fucked because they have relatively high incomes, b...
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cracking senate
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those kulaks are oppressing you peasants! Kill them all!
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I'd be willing to bite the bullet on higher federal taxes if...
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unfair. they will use much of it to buy back stock.
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PAYE you're faire share you preening faggit
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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:13 AM
Author: Rusted rehab

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Should the Upper Middle Class Take the Biggest Tax Hit?

Under the House bill, they get hurt more than the middle class and the super rich. Some argue it’s fair to make them pay more.

By Ben Steverman

Humans learn the concept of fairness at a very young age. After all, it doesn’t take long for a child to start whining about a sibling who gets an extra serving of ice cream. As the Republican-controlled Congress tries to push through tax reform this year, one group of Americans may similarly question why it’s coming up a scoop short.

The upper middle class gets relatively few benefits and a disproportionate number of tax hikes under the $1.4-trillion Tax Cuts and Jobs Act approved by the U.S. House of Representatives last week. Families earning between $150,000 and $308,000—the 80th to 95th percentile—would still get a tax cut on average. But by 2027, more than a third of those affluent Americans can expect a tax increase, according to the Tax Policy Center.

If the House bill becomes law, overall benefits for the upper middle class will start out small, and later vanish almost entirely.

Is this fair? Some argue it’s only right for the upper middle class to carry a heavier burden. This is because the top fifth of the U.S. by income has done pretty well over the past three decades while the wages and wealth of typical workers have stagnated. People in the 81st to 99th percentiles by income have boosted their inflation-adjusted pre-tax cash flow by 65 percent between 1979 and 2013, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That’s more than twice as much as the income rise seen by the middle 60 percent. (The top 1 percent, meanwhile, saw their income rise by 186 percent over the same period, but that’s another story.)

“Many upper-middle-class families will tell you they do not feel wealthy,” said Brian Riedl, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a right-leaning think tank. “Their standard of living [is] closer to the middle class than to the top 1 percent.” The income numbers don’t tell the whole story, he explained. The upper middle class is weighed down by high costs: Affluent workers live in expensive areas, pay a lot for real estate and daycare, and are taxed far more than Americans further down the ladder.

Richard Reeves, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Brookings Institution, isn’t buying that argument. He’s the author of “Dream Hoarders: How the American Upper Middle Class Is Leaving Everyone Else in the Dust, Why That Is a Problem, and What to Do About It.”

“There’s a culture of entitlement at the top of U.S. society,” Reeves said. While others focus on rising wealth of the top 1 percent, Reeves argues that the gap is widening between the top 20 percent and everyone else. The upper middle class is guilty of “hoarding” its privileges, using its power to skew the job market, educational institutions, real estate markets, and tax policy for its own benefit, he contends.

“The American upper middle class know how to take care of themselves,” Reeves said during a presentation at the City University of New York last week. “They know how to organize. They’re numerous enough to be a serious voting bloc, and they run everything.”

So by his measure, the tax legislation’s disproportionate hit to the upper middle class is indeed fair.

A family earning $240,000 a year is bringing in four times the U.S. median household income of $59,000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. All that money, along with the upper middle class’s political power, buys some huge advantages, Reeves said. For example, affluent parents compete for access to the best schools, bidding up home values in the best school districts. Then, they use zoning rules to prevent new construction, keep property values high, and prevent lower-income Americans from moving in. In the process, children of this demographic end up at the most prestigious universities, nab the best internships and jobs, and ultimately join their parents at the top of U.S. society.

The very existence of the House tax bill rebuts Reeves’s argument that the upper middle class is in a position to manipulate Washington. (The Senate is considering its own tax legislation, which differs from the House bill in several ways.) Compared with middle class Americans, the upper middle class is less likely to see marginal tax rates fall under the House legislation. The bill also limits or scraps entirely some of the group’s favorite tax breaks, especially deductions for state-and-local taxes, and medical expenses, and tax breaks for education.

“It’s hard to argue the upper middle class is not currently paying its fair share”

If you’re part of the upper middle class and concede you should be paying more, don’t count on wealthier groups making the same sacrifice—at least under the House bill.

While a repeal of the alternative-minimum tax helps some people with incomes below $300,000, it’s more likely to benefit those on the higher wealth rungs. The very rich, including President Donald Trump, who has been pressing for a legislative victory before the end of his first year in office, would benefit from a repeal of the estate tax, lower corporate tax rates and a lower “pass-through” rate on business income. The House bill explicitly tries to limit the pass-through benefit for doctors, lawyers, accountants, and other high-earning professionals—traditional denizens of the upper middle class.

This all may seem terribly unfair to members of the upper middle class, but there are some provisions they can take solace in. The bill leaves untouched some sweet tax breaks that predominately benefit people with lower six-figure salaries, such as 529 college savings plans and 401(k)s and other retirement perks. The CBO calculates that two-thirds of the government’s costs for retirement tax breaks go to the top 20 percent.

But beyond these few exceptions, much of the upper middle class will still take it on the chin.

And maybe they should. Higher taxes on the upper middle class make sense to some liberal tax experts—but only if the proceeds are used the right way, they said, for things like better health care, more affordable college, and rebuilding infrastructure. Under the House bill, though, any new tax revenue is used to offset tax cuts—much of which will benefit the super wealthy and corporations, especially over time.

“There would be a lot of people in the country who would be willing to chip in for those goals,” said Carl Davis, research director of the left-leaning Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. In the House plan, however, the upper middle class is “going to pay more for a bill that’s going to grow the national debt, and provide the lion’s share of the benefits to corporations and their shareholders.”

Riedl, who has advised Republican candidates, argues the upper middle class should get a more generous tax cut under GOP tax reform. “It’s hard to argue the upper middle class is not currently paying its fair share,” he said. Reeves said the U.S. should ultimately tax the upper middle class more—but “the top 5 percent more still.”

Looking at Republican tax plans, Reeves said, “it’s like they only read half my book.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803489&forum_id=2#34730503)



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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:19 AM
Author: cracking senate

120

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:24 AM
Author: orchid passionate famous landscape painting

180

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:24 AM
Author: Walnut spectacular internal respiration fortuitous meteor

All those families balling out of control on $150K a year in California/New York/DC need to be taught a lesson. I hate how they treat upper-middle class people like a monolithic block. It is very different earning $250K a year as a family in Omaha versus a high COL area. Plus, these are not all - or even most - Ivy league grads who have been falsely promoted in life due to privilege. These are cops/firefighters married to a nurse or a guy who built up his own small-business or slaved away to make middle management or better at a company.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:30 AM
Author: topaz sandwich immigrant



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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: burgundy adventurous jew



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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: Underhanded brethren scourge upon the earth



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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: Walnut spectacular internal respiration fortuitous meteor

Do you not understand sarcasm?

I am arguing against taxes on upper middle class people. How am I a shitlib? Most people can concede there is a difference between someone who studied liberal arts at a lower Ivy and then got a job through connections and someone who actually had to work for their money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3803489&forum_id=2#34730752)



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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: umber becky fat ankles

You are leaving out the privilege and benefits those people receive by living in Socal and NYC, which everyone else gets to hear about. That's basically a form of income. Instead of a nice size house, you get the weather or the OPERA

Stop whining. You chose to live there (or your wife did)

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:46 AM
Author: Walnut spectacular internal respiration fortuitous meteor

I still think the family making $150K -$300K in Ohio or Texas or wherever shouldn't get fucked in the ass either. I was living in Austin and the COL there is getting out of control too. Retirement, healthcare, higher education, and housing are all getting extremely expensive.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:50 AM
Author: aquamarine aromatic hall

Yeah I have self-employed friends making sub $50k who will be crushed by loss of deductions. Will probably need to get real jobs. And lol at calling tuition reimbursement income. It’s insane.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:52 AM
Author: Walnut spectacular internal respiration fortuitous meteor

It is insanity. Sucks for them. My wife is going to do contract work as a doctor now 1-2 days a week and will be paying over 50% of her income in taxes.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:56 AM
Author: aquamarine aromatic hall

I don’t think this will pass. This is not why people vote republican. Ryan should step down

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: talented mustard nowag field

the world hates, and always has hated, the umc.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: greedy faggot firefighter lodge

UMC gets fucked because they have relatively high incomes, but most of those incomes are from being a worker drone instead of a business owner. Pretty easy to lower your taxes if you're a business owner.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: cracking senate



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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: Chestnut useless mental disorder

those kulaks are oppressing you peasants! Kill them all!

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:35 AM
Author: Floppy Menage

I'd be willing to bite the bullet on higher federal taxes if the Apple's and Mitt Romney's of the world were paying a higher rate than me. No way should blue-state UMC's get dicked over even more on taxes so that corporations can stockpile a few more billion dollars that will sit in a vault.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: Flesh Marvelous Plaza

unfair. they will use much of it to buy back stock.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:38 AM
Author: greedy faggot firefighter lodge

The difference is those folks took a risk and started their own business while others played it safe. Those who take risks and succeed should be rewarded.

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:38 AM
Author: umber becky fat ankles

The point of the corporate rates is to make U.S. competitive so the money doesn't sit in an overseas vault. Any $$$ saved from lower taxes just flows to people, across the entire income spectrum (minus very poor)

Agree about the Romneys though.



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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:41 AM
Author: Copper vigorous yarmulke

PAYE you're faire share you preening faggit

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Date: November 20th, 2017 12:02 PM
Author: orchid passionate famous landscape painting

lol

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Date: November 20th, 2017 11:39 AM
Author: aquamarine aromatic hall

No

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