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What was molecular tipping point from great ape to human with free will?

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Arousing deranged resort
  11/21/17
I don't see conscious free will as having "injected&quo...
canary comical national
  11/21/17
probably when social learning allowed complex behaviors to b...
charcoal greedy tank
  11/21/17
Wow so could we freeze frame this .00001 second in time? See...
Arousing deranged resort
  11/21/17
i don't think thats the right framework to think about it. y...
charcoal greedy tank
  11/21/17
It may not be a category mistake, depending on your premises
Contagious claret stage
  11/21/17
what premises might those be? you could define a model wh...
charcoal greedy tank
  11/21/17
Why are you assuming apes don't have free will?
Contagious claret stage
  11/21/17
Why is he assuming humans do?
internet-worthy volcanic crater
  11/21/17
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Elite station
  11/21/17
fair enough but point still stands....just from whatever org...
Arousing deranged resort
  11/21/17
stoned ape hypothesis: it happened via rapid neurogenesis wh...
Duck-like histrionic half-breed really tough guy
  11/21/17
Mckenna didn't get the message that lamarck was wrong
Contagious claret stage
  11/21/17
BOMB THE US GOVERNMENT BOMB THE US GOVERNMENT BOMB THE US GO...
Charismatic yellow immigrant puppy
  11/21/17
The jump wasn’t “great ape”—>huma...
maniacal khaki home twinkling uncleanness
  06/01/23


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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:33 PM
Author: Arousing deranged resort



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: canary comical national

I don't see conscious free will as having "injected" itself in to, or molecularly built up over time. Rather, conscious free will was always there, but the apparatus by which it interfaced with reality was still primitive. And this is true of the great apes as much as it is true for all living creatures. My belief is in consciousness as an immutable, indestructable, eternal entity that transmigrates through various life forms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743720)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:33 PM
Author: charcoal greedy tank

probably when social learning allowed complex behaviors to be taught, shared, and learned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743691)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: Arousing deranged resort

Wow so could we freeze frame this .00001 second in time? Seems likr there has to be an incremental, marginal moment where this change happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743706)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:36 PM
Author: charcoal greedy tank

i don't think thats the right framework to think about it. you might say it's a category error

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743732)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:37 PM
Author: Contagious claret stage

It may not be a category mistake, depending on your premises

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743759)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:49 PM
Author: charcoal greedy tank

what premises might those be?

you could define a model where the tipping point was defined to be some arbitrary % of humans had some capacity, but that would be mostly meaningless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743886)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: Contagious claret stage

Why are you assuming apes don't have free will?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743719)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:21 PM
Author: internet-worthy volcanic crater

Why is he assuming humans do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34744104)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:24 PM
Author: Elite station



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:23 PM
Author: Arousing deranged resort

fair enough but point still stands....just from whatever organism did not have free will to that which did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34744114)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: Duck-like histrionic half-breed really tough guy

stoned ape hypothesis: it happened via rapid neurogenesis when proto-humans started eating psychedelic mushrooms (which are very common in Africa, grow out of animal shit)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743727)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:38 PM
Author: Contagious claret stage

Mckenna didn't get the message that lamarck was wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743765)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:39 PM
Author: Charismatic yellow immigrant puppy

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Date: June 1st, 2023 4:22 PM
Author: maniacal khaki home twinkling uncleanness

The jump wasn’t “great ape”—>human. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, but humans aren’t descended from apes. There were millions of years between that common ancestor and what we are today.

Also free will is total flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#46379973)