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What was molecular tipping point from great ape to human with free will?

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domesticated degenerate
  11/21/17
I don't see conscious free will as having "injected&quo...
tripping slap-happy round eye
  11/21/17
probably when social learning allowed complex behaviors to b...
Flatulent pontificating national jewess
  11/21/17
Wow so could we freeze frame this .00001 second in time? See...
domesticated degenerate
  11/21/17
i don't think thats the right framework to think about it. y...
Flatulent pontificating national jewess
  11/21/17
It may not be a category mistake, depending on your premises
Wild bearded ladyboy
  11/21/17
what premises might those be? you could define a model wh...
Flatulent pontificating national jewess
  11/21/17
Why are you assuming apes don't have free will?
Wild bearded ladyboy
  11/21/17
Why is he assuming humans do?
startled fluffy school
  11/21/17
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impressive slippery jew
  11/21/17
fair enough but point still stands....just from whatever org...
domesticated degenerate
  11/21/17
stoned ape hypothesis: it happened via rapid neurogenesis wh...
Navy native pozpig
  11/21/17
Mckenna didn't get the message that lamarck was wrong
Wild bearded ladyboy
  11/21/17
BOMB THE US GOVERNMENT BOMB THE US GOVERNMENT BOMB THE US GO...
big sexy whorehouse messiness
  11/21/17
The jump wasn’t “great ape”—>huma...
Curious area ape
  06/01/23


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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:33 PM
Author: domesticated degenerate



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: tripping slap-happy round eye

I don't see conscious free will as having "injected" itself in to, or molecularly built up over time. Rather, conscious free will was always there, but the apparatus by which it interfaced with reality was still primitive. And this is true of the great apes as much as it is true for all living creatures. My belief is in consciousness as an immutable, indestructable, eternal entity that transmigrates through various life forms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743720)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:33 PM
Author: Flatulent pontificating national jewess

probably when social learning allowed complex behaviors to be taught, shared, and learned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743691)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: domesticated degenerate

Wow so could we freeze frame this .00001 second in time? Seems likr there has to be an incremental, marginal moment where this change happened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743706)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:36 PM
Author: Flatulent pontificating national jewess

i don't think thats the right framework to think about it. you might say it's a category error

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743732)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:37 PM
Author: Wild bearded ladyboy

It may not be a category mistake, depending on your premises

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743759)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:49 PM
Author: Flatulent pontificating national jewess

what premises might those be?

you could define a model where the tipping point was defined to be some arbitrary % of humans had some capacity, but that would be mostly meaningless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743886)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: Wild bearded ladyboy

Why are you assuming apes don't have free will?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743719)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:21 PM
Author: startled fluffy school

Why is he assuming humans do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34744104)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:24 PM
Author: impressive slippery jew



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Date: November 21st, 2017 8:23 PM
Author: domesticated degenerate

fair enough but point still stands....just from whatever organism did not have free will to that which did

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34744114)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: Navy native pozpig

stoned ape hypothesis: it happened via rapid neurogenesis when proto-humans started eating psychedelic mushrooms (which are very common in Africa, grow out of animal shit)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743727)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:38 PM
Author: Wild bearded ladyboy

Mckenna didn't get the message that lamarck was wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#34743765)



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Date: November 21st, 2017 7:39 PM
Author: big sexy whorehouse messiness

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Date: June 1st, 2023 4:22 PM
Author: Curious area ape

The jump wasn’t “great ape”—>human. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, but humans aren’t descended from apes. There were millions of years between that common ancestor and what we are today.

Also free will is total flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805212&forum_id=2#46379973)