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Should the Browns fire Hue Jackson?

Should they fire the GM? Fire both? If so who should they ...
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  11/22/17
The owner and gm need to go. They'll never get it right.
Cocky Poppy Pit Rigpig
  11/22/17
Ridiculous answer but ridiculous incompetence calls for ridi...
odious travel guidebook site
  11/22/17
I generally agree with this they've had too much churn al...
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  11/22/17
lol they've been dicking around with their QB since Testaver...
gay church
  11/22/17
Tbf that team is now in Baltimore and has won the super bowl...
misanthropic double fault
  11/22/17
chalk one up for the Mayfield era
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  09/21/18
not a ridiculous answer at all, pretty reasonable
thriller translucent temple jew
  11/22/17
it depends on the availability of good replacements and thei...
Cracking aquamarine range
  11/22/17
Like the idea of making Lincoln Riley an NFL HC?
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  11/22/17
not really. most of the time the cfb -> nfl transition do...
Cracking aquamarine range
  11/22/17
fair enough seems like most of the better offenses over t...
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  11/22/17
are you a Browns fan?
Cracking aquamarine range
  11/22/17
no edit: I don't hold any ill will towards them, entirely...
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  11/22/17
ok. was going to say that if Josh Gordon can stay clean, the...
Cracking aquamarine range
  11/22/17
at some point they should be able to harvest all their draft...
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  11/22/17
they keep fucking up the most important position in the draf...
Cracking aquamarine range
  11/22/17
lol, tbf when all the QBs you draft bust, and all the QBs pa...
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  11/22/17
Their defense has been OK. Real problem is Kizer is TTT (eve...
pea-brained beta dysfunction dilemma
  11/22/17
Josh Gordon can't stay clean. It would be absurd to expect ...
odious travel guidebook site
  11/22/17
Even with a TTT roster, Jackson hasn't been a great coach an...
pea-brained beta dysfunction dilemma
  11/22/17
Sup andrew
misanthropic double fault
  11/22/17
yes, he was a cancer in Oakland and is a cancer in Cleveland...
Crystalline center
  11/22/17
Hugh is 180
vigorous garrison useless brakes
  11/22/17
Sashi should go. The AJ McCarron stuff was insane but tradin...
Cruel-hearted Idea He Suggested
  11/22/17
fair enough what should they do with the #1 pick? You ...
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  11/22/17
Iunno if Mayfield would maek it but I think Rosen is a legit...
odious travel guidebook site
  11/22/17
Team would be .500 with manziel
misanthropic double fault
  11/22/17
and undefeated with tebow, right?
Cracking aquamarine range
  11/22/17
Tebow guarantees 6 mins a year and puts a ceiling at 9
Gaped associate house
  11/22/17
Manziel a better passer than tebow, who is a better qb than ...
misanthropic double fault
  11/22/17
You know, I've always felt that ownership is vastly underrat...
puce provocative ticket booth
  11/22/17
trying to win Process style not the recipe for long term ...
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  12/07/17
wtf why do this
misanthropic double fault
  12/07/17
browns front office seemed like fags jackson is just ther...
Floppy laser beams
  12/07/17
chalk one up to Ironside's theory of 'it starts at the top'
Green codepig liquid oxygen
  12/07/17
...
puce provocative ticket booth
  12/07/17
Peyton Manning on a plane to cleveland at least
misanthropic double fault
  12/07/17


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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

Should they fire the GM? Fire both? If so who should they hire?

couple links for consideration:

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/11/21/16684534/coaching-crisis-ben-mcadoo-dirk-koetter-hue-jackson-jeff-fisher

http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2009/02/fighter-pilots-and-firing-coaches.html

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/24090/with-the-first-pick-in-the-2018-nfl-draft-the-cleveland-browns-should

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/24035/the-road-to-1-24-browns-struggle-to-maintain-structural-integrity

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21317473/sabotage-aj-mccarron-trade-cleveland-browns

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748288)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: Cocky Poppy Pit Rigpig

The owner and gm need to go. They'll never get it right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748303)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:37 PM
Author: odious travel guidebook site

Ridiculous answer but ridiculous incompetence calls for ridiculous answers.

They should not fire him, but they should fire him after next season if they don't wildly overachieve - I.e. make the playoffs. They already won't be able to find a coach. He was an idiot to go there in the first place because the absolute CEILING for these two years was two wins a season. If they let him go now, they will have to replace him with a defensive assistant from a community college in New Mexico. Remember, even before this - I don't know what, calling it a debacle is an insult to debacles - they were able to attract such stellar unknowns as Mike Pettine and Rob Chudzinzki. Imagine their pool of candidates now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748468)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

I generally agree with this

they've had too much churn already

moreover, the roster hasn't been built to win right now anyways, its been built to win 2-3 years down the road, its silly to judge Jackson on their current W's and L's

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that said, you wonder what the process is like inside the building, and whether Jackson has let the constant L's turn the environment toxic

couple things make me wonder this

1st, has he handled Kizor well? Did they throw him into an impossible situation by starting him before he was ready? and then mess him up by jerking him in and out of the lineup?

2nd the McCarron trade? If they had done that, would that have actually been a good trade for them? Is there any rational argument for thinking McCarron would have been the long term answer there? Were they just trying to salvage a couple extra wins in a lost season, and paying a long term premium to do it? Why did they try and make that trade? Was it because Jackson was being pissy about his short term prospects and they were just trying to do something to make him happy (because that's dysfunctional long term situation if that's what it was)

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ultimately these are questions that as outsiders its hard to know, but as an insider, the owner needs to make an assessment about

they've dicked around at the QB position for a few years now, they're probably going to have the #1 pick, its probably time to quit dicking around about it, and invest in a QB of the future

has their experience with Jackson the last 2 years led them to think he's the guy they want to trust with the development of that QB? idk

its also a situation where they need to not keep tearing down the foundation every 2 years

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suggestion

either stick with Jackson

or

if they think that he's not the guy they want to trust with their next QB

keep the GM, keep the defensive coordinator, pick Baker Mayfield #1 overall, hire Lincoln Riley as new head coach

invest in Mayfield with the idea that he doesn't need to learn a whole new system, or work with a whole new coach, he just needs to do what he's already done, at a graduate level, against a higher level of competition

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748594)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 12:58 PM
Author: gay church

lol they've been dicking around with their QB since Testaverde.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748625)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: misanthropic double fault

Tbf that team is now in Baltimore and has won the super bowl a few times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749093)



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Date: September 21st, 2018 11:02 AM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

chalk one up for the Mayfield era

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#36856580)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:00 PM
Author: thriller translucent temple jew

not a ridiculous answer at all, pretty reasonable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749265)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Cracking aquamarine range

it depends on the availability of good replacements and their willingness to take the Browns job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748645)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:05 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

Like the idea of making Lincoln Riley an NFL HC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748688)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:11 PM
Author: Cracking aquamarine range

not really. most of the time the cfb -> nfl transition doesn't work out. they'd be better off hiring someone with instant nfl credibility to deal with young players and Josh Gordon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748757)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

fair enough

seems like most of the better offenses over the last decade have been aping college concepts

seems like might be useful to go right to the source

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I can see the risk though, I'd try and surround him with veteran NFL assistants if they did it though (start with trying to keep Gregg Williams as the DC, to give half the building some continuity)

also only like it if they think Mayfield's is definitely the guy they want to bet on

and if, after being in the same building as Mayfield for the last three years, Riley seems gung-ho about attaching the next 10 years of his career to Mayfield

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748813)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Cracking aquamarine range

are you a Browns fan?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748820)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:19 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

no

edit: I don't hold any ill will towards them, entirely neutral

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748835)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: Cracking aquamarine range

ok. was going to say that if Josh Gordon can stay clean, they will have an excellent 1-2 punch at WR position for years to come. I try to keep Browns fans optimistic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748855)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:23 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

at some point they should be able to harvest all their draft picks into something reasonable

they need make sure they're not injecting picks into a toxic situation though

I'm not a believer that laundry equals destiny generally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748884)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:27 PM
Author: Cracking aquamarine range

they keep fucking up the most important position in the draft and in the game. picking QB busts some years, passing on QB studs other years. they've truly been running a clinic in drafting failure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748930)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

lol, tbf when all the QBs you draft bust, and all the QBs pass turn into studs, you should at least consider the possibility that its you, not them

need to make sure they're creating a good environment for a young QB to do well in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749060)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:29 PM
Author: pea-brained beta dysfunction dilemma

Their defense has been OK. Real problem is Kizer is TTT (even for a rookie) and their o-line blows. Their receiving situation should improve with experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748953)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: odious travel guidebook site

Josh Gordon can't stay clean. It would be absurd to expect an average 26 hr old alcoholic to stay clean forever in a stable environment, let alone to expect a guy who was literally coked up during games to stay clean in the NFL. I'd be shocked if he lasts the season, TBH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34750698)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: pea-brained beta dysfunction dilemma

Even with a TTT roster, Jackson hasn't been a great coach and clearly isn't on the same page as the front office. Since the FO probably gets one more shot with two top-10 picks in '18, Jackson likely goes. Decent QB draft though no Manning/Luck type superprospects.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748647)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: misanthropic double fault

Sup andrew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749099)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:04 PM
Author: Crystalline center

yes, he was a cancer in Oakland and is a cancer in Cleveland and has a historically bad record

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748669)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM
Author: vigorous garrison useless brakes

Hugh is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748809)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:28 PM
Author: Cruel-hearted Idea He Suggested

Sashi should go. The AJ McCarron stuff was insane but trading of Haden was180.

It’s a mess as usual in Cleveland but changing head coaches won’t do shit. It’s a toxic environment for coaches and they need to ride out Hue a little longer. At least give him a decent roster before making a decision.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34748937)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

fair enough

what should they do with the #1 pick?

You a Mayfield fan as a pro?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749096)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: odious travel guidebook site

Iunno if Mayfield would maek it but I think Rosen is a legit #1 pick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34750717)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:46 PM
Author: misanthropic double fault

Team would be .500 with manziel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749106)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 1:55 PM
Author: Cracking aquamarine range

and undefeated with tebow, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749212)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:05 PM
Author: Gaped associate house

Tebow guarantees 6 mins a year and puts a ceiling at 9

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749311)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:15 PM
Author: misanthropic double fault

Manziel a better passer than tebow, who is a better qb than deshone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749389)



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Date: November 22nd, 2017 2:06 PM
Author: puce provocative ticket booth

You know, I've always felt that ownership is vastly underrated as it relates to the success of a team.

I think a lot of this shit is just retards scuffling until you deal with the people at the top (i.e., the owners).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34749331)



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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:06 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

trying to win Process style

not the recipe for long term career stability

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21699936/cleveland-browns-fire-personnel-czar-sashi-brown

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861676)



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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:07 PM
Author: misanthropic double fault

wtf why do this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861688)



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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:10 PM
Author: Floppy laser beams

browns front office seemed like fags

jackson is just there until they can win a game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861718)



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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:13 PM
Author: Green codepig liquid oxygen

chalk one up to Ironside's theory of 'it starts at the top'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861746)



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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:29 PM
Author: puce provocative ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861917)



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Date: December 7th, 2017 2:40 PM
Author: misanthropic double fault

Peyton Manning on a plane to cleveland at least

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3805779&forum_id=2#34861998)