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Why Putins Foes Deplore U.S. Fixation on Election Meddling [NYT]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/world/europe/russia-vl...
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ljl Russian libs lamenting that Trump broke American libs’ b...
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Trump and Brexit were peak-Putin
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Meeting with Assad last week and promising the Syrian opposi...
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he gave them rest in peace
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Can someone copy paste ty
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MOSCOW — For months, President Vladimir V. Putin has predict...
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Libs?
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LJL at these traitorous dogs ever looking up to the "hi...
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Russia isn’t a great power hoss
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So then it's okay if we kick KFC and McDonalds out of the co...
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the only people who will care are the local franchise holder...
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LJL no. In Russia most (but not all) of the stores are owned...
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Link?
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The cheese line was 180
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Yankee pig dogs will never stomach any near peer rival exist...
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"collective eclipse of the mind" is a great phrase...
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my favorite line too
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Same
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Russian lit is full of these gems, and they aren't lost in t...
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lol libs
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This is one of the ones about our media hysteria over Russia...
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but it was her turn you know jeez
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Except every Russian allowed to operate on that level is an ...
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Corruption in Russia is often tolerated because it yields se...
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Why are you replying to yourself?
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Libs will accuse those quoted in the article of just being a...
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They cant be reasoned with or talked to, their brains can on...
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Pathetic
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The comments are fucking scary to me. These people are truly...
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"But Putin *is* a (currently) victorious master strateg...
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have these morons never encountered their own government bef...
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Hey Mark Hugh Miller, the 1980s called.
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Reminder: The economy of California is larger than the econo...
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Yet Libs are deathly afraid of Russia and want blame them fo...
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In nominal filthy Yankee dollar terms. In PPP terms Russia i...
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Whwn youre right, youre right
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Putin may have exacerbated an existing schism within the US,...
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the article's point is more the following: Make no mistak...
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an FBI investigation & entire US Intelligence appartatus...
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read the article, you might learn something
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Date: November 24th, 2017 7:35 AM
Author: soul-stirring juggernaut

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/world/europe/russia-vladimir-putin-liberals.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34760917)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 7:51 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version

ljl Russian libs lamenting that Trump broke American libs’ brains

good article

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34760935)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 8:57 AM
Author: Bateful sinister pit messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761071)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 8:30 AM
Author: flesh newt idiot

Trump and Brexit were peak-Putin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34760982)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:20 AM
Author: vigorous black candlestick maker

Meeting with Assad last week and promising the Syrian opposition they would have a seat at the table and today instead launching a massive offensive into Iblid to kill them all was peak Putin. He promised them peace and today he killed them. The Russkies did 1300 airstrikes just in Iblid today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761131)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:48 AM
Author: coiffed awkward state personal credit line

he gave them rest in peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761784)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 8:57 AM
Author: Bateful sinister pit messiness

Can someone copy paste ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761072)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:03 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version

MOSCOW — For months, President Vladimir V. Putin has predictably denied accusations of Russian interference in last year’s American election, denouncing them as fake news fueled by Russophobic hysteria.

More surprising, some of Mr. Putin’s biggest foes in Russia, notably pro-Western liberals who look to the United States as an exemplar of democratic values and journalistic excellence, are now joining a chorus of protest over America’s fixation with Moscow’s meddling in its political affairs.

“Enough already!” Leonid M. Volkov, chief of staff for the anti-corruption campaigner and opposition leader Aleksei A. Navalny, wrote in a recent anguished post on Facebook. “What is happening with ‘the investigation into Russian interference,’ is not just a disgrace but a collective eclipse of the mind.”

What most disturbs Mr. Putin’s critics about what they see as America’s Russia fever is that it reinforces a narrative put forth tirelessly by the state-controlled Russian news media. On television, in newspapers and on websites, Mr. Putin is portrayed as an ever-victorious master strategist who has led Russia — an economic, military and demographic weakling compared with the United States — from triumph to triumph on the world stage.

“The Kremlin is of course very proud of this whole Russian interference story. It shows they are not just a group of old K.G.B. guys with no understanding of digital but an almighty force from a James Bond saga,” Mr. Volkov said in a telephone interview. “This image is very bad for us. Putin is not a master geopolitical genius.”

Mr. Volkov and others say they have no doubt that Russia did interfere, at least on the margins, in last year’s presidential election campaign. But they complain that the United States consistently inflates Mr. Putin’s impact and portrays his government as far more unified and effective than it really is, cementing his legacy and making him harder to challenge at home.

Ultimately, they say, Americans are using Russia as a scapegoat to explain the deep political discord in the United States. That has left many westward-leaning Russians, who have long looked to America for their ideals, in bitter disappointment that the United States seems to be mimicking some of their own country’s least appealing traits.

The hunt for a hidden Russian hand behind President Trump’s election victory has caused particular disquiet among liberal-minded Russian journalists.

“The image of Putin’s Russia constructed by Western and, above all, American media outlets over the past 18 months shocks even the most anti-Putin reader in Russia,” Oleg V. Kashin, a journalist critical of the Kremlin, wrote last week in Republic, a Russian news site. He complained that the American media has consistently misconstrued the way Russia works, presenting marginal opportunists and self-interested businessmen with no real link to the Kremlin as state-controlled agents working on orders from Mr. Putin.

For Ivan I. Kurilla, a professor of history and an America specialist at the European University at St. Petersburg, a bastion of liberal thinking, Russia’s prominent and almost entirely negative role on America’s political stage since the November election reprises a phenomenon first seen in the late 1800s.

“Americans use Russia each time they feel their own identity in crisis,” said Mr. Kurilla, the author of a new book on the history of Russian-American relations, “Frenemies.”

Unlike China and India, which are far more distant culturally and geographically from the United States, he added, Russia is a country on to which alarm over America’s own internal problems can be easily projected.

“American liberals are so upset about Trump that they cannot believe he is a real product of American life,” Mr. Kurilla said. “They try to portray him as something created by Russia. This whole thing is about America, not Russia.”

The first time this happened, he said, was in the decades after the American Civil War, when amid deep trauma over the conflict and a series of corruption scandals, Russia suddenly became the focus of feverish discussion as a model of menacing tyranny. This was largely because of the writings and influential public lectures of George Kennan, an American explorer who returned from Siberia in the 1880s with horrific stories, mostly true, of Russian despotism.

Both Mr. Volkov and Mr. Kurilla worry that American intelligence agencies have made it too easy for the Kremlin to deny its interference in the American elections — and, at the same time, also take credit for it — by keeping concrete evidence secret, which has only allowed sometimes wild conspiracy theories to take flight.

“This helps the Kremlin a lot. It promotes Putin’s image as a geopolitical mastermind, the smartest and strongest man in the world,” Mr. Volkov said. “It hurts us a lot that no evidence has been released. And it helps Russian propaganda because the Kremlin can say it is all just a conspiracy against Russia.”

The state-run Russian news media, while echoing the official Kremlin line that Russia has not interfered in any way, often takes barely disguised delight in American accusations that Mr. Putin masterminded a stealthy campaign to undermine the United States.

Michael Idov, a Russian-American screenwriter, author and former magazine editor, said the idea that Mr. Putin, through hacking, fake news and other tools, could outfox and disorient the world’s most powerful democratic nation makes the Russian president look invincible. But this image of a “globally victorious Putin is hard to accept when you can’t even find decent cheese in Moscow” because of Western sanctions and Russian countersanctions, Mr. Idov said.

Americans often tend to see Russia as a tightly controlled and finely tuned state machine that induces business people, academics and other Russians to subvert American democracy on orders from Mr. Putin. Mr. Putin’s critics instead see a far more ramshackle structure racked by infighting over access to money, favors and the president’s ear.

Mr. Putin’s opponents despair that the United States seems to have been seized by what they view as a Russian-style spasm of paranoia and conspiratorial thinking that puts blame for internal problems on sinister outside forces.

Many Russian liberals, for example, were appalled when the state-controlled Russian news media hounded Michael A. McFaul, America’s ambassador in Moscow from 2012 to 2014, and portrayed him as an agent of subversion bent on undermining Mr. Putin.

By the same token, they were dismayed to see Russia’s own ambassador in Washington, Sergey I. Kislyak, treated in much the same way before he left his post in August, with the envoy being widely depicted as a Russian spy master at the center of a sprawling web of anti-American intrigue.

Tit-for-tat reprisals by the two countries, which included an order that American diplomatic missions in Russia slash their staff by 755 people, have hit pro-Western Russians hard because, unlike many in Mr. Putin’s base, they travel to America and have personal and professional contacts there. They now worry about getting visas and having their association with the United States viewed as treachery.

A decision by the Justice Department to force the American arm of RT, a state-funded television channel targeted at foreign audiences, to register as a “foreign agent” has caused particular dismay as it echoes Russia’s own moves to brand critics of Mr. Putin as part of a traitorous “fifth column” directed by the West.

Alexey Kovalev, a relentless critic of Kremlin propaganda who runs a website dedicated to exposing lies on state-run Russian news outlets, complained that the move would only lift RT’s fortunes and encourage the Russian authorities to give even more money to a little watched venture that has trafficked in outlandish conspiracy theories and has only a minuscule American audience.

“I think this is a stupid politicized decision that will not hurt it in any way, even symbolically,” Mr. Kovalev said of the Justice Department decision. “Precisely the opposite: This is undoubtedly a victory for RT. They now have the status of a victim of censorship, which doesn’t exist in reality, and an excuse to go after their own internal enemies.”

A few independent Russian media outlets have investigated the Russian meddling story, including RBC, a newspaper that recently produced an in-depth report on how a so-called troll factory of paid online agitators based in St. Petersburg had tried to incite street protests in the United States through postings on the internet by a phony group claiming to represent disenfranchised black Americans.

But reporting in the independent Russian news media has often focused on how little real impact such disruptive efforts have had, leaving readers with the impression that the main victims are not so much American voters but Russian taxpayers, whose money has gone to support an array of well-funded but largely ineffective operations.

“The difference between suspicion and evidence has become blurred when it comes to the American election. This makes myself and others very disappointed,” said Maria Lipman, a veteran Russian journalist.

Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign manager, who earned millions lobbying for years on behalf of dictators around the world, “did not need lessons in dirty tricks from Russia,” Ms. Lipman said. All the same, he has, because of his work in Ukraine for former President Viktor F. Yanukovych, become the prime example among Mr. Trump’s critics of Russia’s hidden hand.

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, recalled Ms. Lipman, who edits Counterpoint, a highbrow Russian-language online journal, many Russian journalists looked to American news media outlets as models of dispassionate, objective reporting in contrast to their country’s highly politicized and opinionated press.

“Now, they see the American media as having an agenda and having their coverage distorted by this agenda,” she said.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761085)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:15 AM
Author: Bateful sinister pit messiness

18000000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761114)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: orchid associate locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761884)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: Outnumbered deer antler toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34763524)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:28 PM
Author: dashing trailer park

Libs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765371)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:08 AM
Author: vigorous black candlestick maker

LJL at these traitorous dogs ever looking up to the "high standards" of the US media. Any Russian who ever did this should be lined up right fucking now and shot for his stupidity. It would help the gene pool. It was always us v. them. The US media like the US state always had and always will have an anti Russian agenda and the collective dream of breaking up Russia into 50 different states. Yankee pig dogs will never stomach any near peer rival existing. The sole difference between a "liberal" (and I put that term in quotes became these people are not liberals in the US sense of the word but rather just traitorous assholes who wish Russia was the USA and who in actuality just hate everything Russian about Russia) and a sane person is that the liberal is mentally ill enough to think foreigners will let Russia stay a great power. Fuck them and their foreign benefactors to death. The empire is at war for its very survival and they bitch and moan about Swiss cheese. Fuck them to death.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761101)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:16 AM
Author: Bateful sinister pit messiness

Russia isn’t a great power hoss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761115)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:18 AM
Author: vigorous black candlestick maker

So then it's okay if we kick KFC and McDonalds out of the country? Because we're doing that next week....

http://www.newsru.com/russia/24nov2017/inoagentfastfood.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761123)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:20 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version

the only people who will care are the local franchise holders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761130)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:22 AM
Author: vigorous black candlestick maker

LJL no. In Russia most (but not all) of the stores are owned by the parent companies. I think only the Wendys are really almost entirely owned by local franchisees in Russia. I looked into this like a 5-6 years back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761138)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:22 PM
Author: vivacious chocolate school cafeteria

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765331)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:16 AM
Author: Bateful sinister pit messiness

The cheese line was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761118)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:21 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:24 AM
Author: olive wonderful generalized bond kitty cat

Yankee pig dogs will never stomach any near peer rival existing.

Yup, and don’t you forget it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34767102)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:16 AM
Author: Green histrionic karate

"collective eclipse of the mind" is a great phrase. Russians are amazing linguists

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761116)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:18 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version

my favorite line too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761124)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:43 AM
Author: maniacal slap-happy church building affirmative action

Same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761227)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: supple resort

Russian lit is full of these gems, and they aren't lost in translation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761737)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: coiffed awkward state personal credit line

and I need you now tonight

I fucking need you more than ever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761793)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:01 PM
Author: Bateful sinister pit messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761833)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: 180 tan gaping



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:39 AM
Author: sickened institution partner



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:40 AM
Author: Contagious becky



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34767125)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: orchid associate locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761888)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: amber rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761899)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:19 AM
Author: poppy jewess

lol libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761127)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:44 AM
Author: maniacal slap-happy church building affirmative action

This is one of the ones about our media hysteria over Russia that pissed me off the most - to them literally every Russian is an “agent of Putin”

He complained that the American media has consistently misconstrued the way Russia works, presenting marginal opportunists and self-interested businessmen with no real link to the Kremlin as state-controlled agents working on orders from Mr. Putin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761230)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:45 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version

but it was her turn you know jeez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761243)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:49 AM
Author: vigorous black candlestick maker

Except every Russian allowed to operate on that level is an agent of Putin. The hysteria is in thinking the troll factory and the ad buys did anything. That was likely just TTT Russian corruption stealing money from the federal budget but I say likely because the second order effects of that shit are 180 as fuck. The rest was a legit KGB op and worked masterfully. In fact the TTT ad buys and the troll factory shit was kind of masterful too but only in that the second order effects -- the US triggering its foreign agent registration laws and Facebook and Google self censoring are VERY much desired Kremlin outcomes because they let Russia do the same and more domestically. The Yankees killing net neutrality is 180 as fuck too for the Kremlin. Basically now the US is morally on the same footing as Russia and China and that is a MEGA win.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761263)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 9:53 AM
Author: vigorous black candlestick maker

Corruption in Russia is often tolerated because it yields second order effects. The Czar knows you are stealing and lying to him but he knows something you dont too. The troll factory and ad buys are that. He had no illusions about mass street protests in the US happening. He knew that promises of such were BS. But he also knew it might trigger Yankee crackdowns on Facebook so he funded it anyway. The people who dont think the commies think about second order effects like that and that they are just dumb criminals are the real idiots. There's levels to this shit. It's why the KGB has survived for 400 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761283)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: Carnelian cerebral boiling water

Why are you replying to yourself?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761790)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:06 AM
Author: racy mustard ratface blood rage

Libs will accuse those quoted in the article of just being another part of Putin's grand plan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761623)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:16 PM
Author: Hairraiser theater double fault

Yep.

Mark Hugh Miller

San Francisco, California2h ago

So Putin's Russian opponents supposedly want America to quiet down? They want us to become propagandists promoting the lie that Putin isn't as nefarious and effective a foe as our intelligence agencies believe he is? Or is this ploy simply another Kremlin disinformation campaign? ("Help us Good Russians against those Bad Russians.") It flunks the smell test.

As for our intelligence and investigative agencies having a "fixation" on Putin's sabotage of electoral processes here and elsewhere, I fervently hope they do.

Reply31 Recommend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761906)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: orchid associate locus

They cant be reasoned with or talked to, their brains can only comprehend a Trump win with Russian interference.

They have to die.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761926)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: racy mustard ratface blood rage

Pathetic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34763198)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:15 PM
Author: Marvelous Chestnut People Who Are Hurt

The comments are fucking scary to me. These people are truly insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765261)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:29 PM
Author: spectacular narrow-minded international law enforcement agency liquid oxygen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765376)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:28 PM
Author: crawly effete casino

since when do libs trust "the intelligence agencies"? from watergate through the iraq war era, libs distrusted and often despised those agencies for lying and pursuing hidden agendas. now, they've reversed course against 45 years of their own history and cite "the intelligence agencies" in SUPPORT of their positions?

libs, explain this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765367)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:49 PM
Author: bisexual bonkers trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765504)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:40 AM
Author: sickened institution partner

Yeah this is pretty scary to me

These are the guys who gave us MKULTRA for God's sake

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34767124)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:30 PM
Author: dashing trailer park

"But Putin *is* a (currently) victorious master strategist who has succeeded beyond his wildest expectations at manipulating an important election in the US as well as a referendum in the UK crucial to its future. Denial of facts-- even of our own (hopefully, temporary) defeat-- is counterproductive."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765384)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:44 PM
Author: Aquamarine french dysfunction sandwich

have these morons never encountered their own government before?

or any organization of more than three people?

putin spends his days reading reports on potato production levels, and is lucky if he knows whats going on three doors down the hall.

otoh, i assume one day president xi will release a pheromone burst from his egg sack and there will be a violent uprising of chinamen on the american west coast



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765479)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:33 AM
Author: ivory hunting ground temple

Hey Mark Hugh Miller, the 1980s called.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34767111)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:21 AM
Author: Stirring parlour

Reminder: The economy of California is larger than the economy of Russia.

ljl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761684)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: orchid associate locus

Yet Libs are deathly afraid of Russia and want blame them for all of America’s problems that Libs actually created.

Odd case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761896)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:20 PM
Author: vigorous black candlestick maker

In nominal filthy Yankee dollar terms. In PPP terms Russia is a $4 trillion economy and the 6th largest on the planet -- soon to be 5th largest once more Germans die of old age.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761934)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: amber rehab

Libs need racism and so they create it even as they claim to decry it.

Libs need a powerful Putin so they create that even as they say they want to oppose him.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761929)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:26 PM
Author: vigorous black candlestick maker

And what libs really need is...killing. Am I right or am I right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761966)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 12:27 PM
Author: orchid associate locus

Whwn youre right, youre right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34761975)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:29 PM
Author: dashing trailer park

why aren't there any libs itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34765373)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:00 AM
Author: olive wonderful generalized bond kitty cat

They’d get their holes blown out and they know it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34767147)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 12:51 AM
Author: Brindle rambunctious preventive strike

Putin may have exacerbated an existing schism within the US, but make no mistake - dumb Trumptard racists are an American product.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34766275)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 12:56 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version

the article's point is more the following:

Make no mistake - dumb unhinged shitlibs with their low IQ conspiracy theories are an American product.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34766293)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 12:58 AM
Author: Brindle rambunctious preventive strike

an FBI investigation & entire US Intelligence appartatus gives that "low IQ conspiracy theory" a little more weight than some of the dumb shit Trumptards think of

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34766309)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:00 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version

(poster suffering from a collective eclipse of the mind)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34766317)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:02 AM
Author: Brindle rambunctious preventive strike

(Guy who elected a literal insecure man-child to the most important position in this nation):

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/934189999045693441



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34766326)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:07 AM
Author: Rusted provocative new version

read the article, you might learn something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34766359)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 3:33 AM
Author: orchid associate locus

HIs sect isnt interested in learning anything new, its too busy peddling deep state conspiracy theories while the republic collapses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34766900)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:40 AM
Author: sickened institution partner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34767126)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:01 AM
Author: olive wonderful generalized bond kitty cat

180 flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34767152)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 6:18 AM
Author: Talented gay travel guidebook orchestra pit

libs NEVER not fucking over American interests while making are adversaries stronger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807486&forum_id=2#34767032)