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Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
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hot shivering institution jap
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I go to church in my best clothes. It makes me feel like a m...
Galvanic sandwich dilemma
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hot shivering institution jap
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Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
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I'm sure you need reminding.
Aphrodisiac Bat Shit Crazy Bbw International Law Enforcement Agency
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lold
concupiscible internal respiration
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christians are the most gullible people on earth. thats not ...
Chest-beating stage toilet seat
  11/24/17
Never said most of them weren't
Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
  11/24/17
*leans into mic* Mormons and Muzzies
wonderful brethren laser beams
  11/24/17
Muslims literally kill themselves thinking they're getting 7...
Khaki narrow-minded organic girlfriend
  12/13/17
ive been an atheist since i was 7.
Glittery locale crotch
  11/24/17
Can I be atheist but just go to church once in a while and g...
indigo sound barrier people who are hurt
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(richard spencer)
Violet Location
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curious hateful hairy legs heaven
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drab irradiated ladyboy church building
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i'm an atheist but I go from time to time just to sing hymns...
dull painfully honest hissy fit patrolman
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180
obsidian talking idea he suggested
  11/24/17
i have a really flaming gay friend who does this, even sings...
Violet Location
  11/24/17
My uber driver talked me into being a Mormon. I made an ap...
Provocative useless stead
  11/24/17
Yeah but Protestantism is kind of gay
Mind-boggling Flesh Degenerate
  11/24/17
Russian orthodoxy is very straight. Priests are all married ...
indigo sound barrier people who are hurt
  11/24/17
There is nothing hot about Russians. Shut your fucking mout...
Provocative useless stead
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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7e/99/b8/7e99b8886acfa5182d96...
scarlet locus
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slavs are subhuman and age the worst of any race
Mildly autistic property
  11/24/17
Not remotely true. I know a bunch of hot Russian girls in t...
scarlet locus
  11/24/17
Russians are ugly people. they prize beauty to a retarded de...
Mildly autistic property
  11/24/17
Oh look, a quotemo talking shit.
scarlet locus
  11/24/17
that's Reality Winner lol
Cerebral nibblets feces
  11/24/17
absolutely devastating. nothing is more pathetic than ele...
concupiscible internal respiration
  11/24/17
You seem gay
Provocative useless stead
  11/24/17
Compared to Russian Orthodoxy, it is all kind of gay.
scarlet locus
  11/24/17
That's why you are one of the ugliest people on the planet.
Provocative useless stead
  11/24/17
Catholicism - priests, little boys, enough said. Typical ...
scarlet locus
  11/24/17
Stop conflating Mandy with women
Provocative useless stead
  11/24/17
She's a GENETIC female!
scarlet locus
  11/24/17
I'll embrace it when I have kids because, well, kids. I've ...
scarlet locus
  11/24/17
u are 99 percent probability on the spectrum.
Glittery locale crotch
  11/24/17
Thanks captain obvious.
scarlet locus
  11/24/17
i thought you were a kike.
Startled thriller temple
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You’re a middle aged Jew with a barren shrew for a wife. Kid...
turquoise appetizing space potus
  11/24/17
We have 9 frozen embryos and I will have you know that every...
indigo sound barrier people who are hurt
  11/24/17
what does AA 4-5 mean? GF I was on marriage track with he...
idiotic electric national security agency
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These are frozen embryos, not eggs. Not sure it works the s...
scarlet locus
  11/26/17
Christianity is 180 but unfortunately JESUS can't keep this ...
curious hateful hairy legs heaven
  11/24/17
Pascal's Wager
balding yapping pisswyrm national
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What's the probability god is a trickster who sends the obed...
bateful overrated ticket booth
  11/24/17
Such a universe would collapse.
Boyish ceo
  11/24/17
No man. The rewards in this life are much greater for a Chri...
Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
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Tell me more about the rewards.
concupiscible internal respiration
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A public forum to discuss free will, the nature of mind/soul...
Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
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I like not being retarded but yeah the masses definitely nee...
impertinent supple quadroon senate
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Bro you must be getting tired of the dead end of secularism....
Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
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What do you expect me to do? Trick myself into believing? Wo...
impertinent supple quadroon senate
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No tricks brother. The possibility that your mind is a non-p...
Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
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oh wow never heard this before
impertinent supple quadroon senate
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Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
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"I'm a genius, I know god is fake!" *lives prof...
concupiscible internal respiration
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lol at this being an argument
impertinent supple quadroon senate
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There are better religions out there. Buddhism is straight ...
Slippery buck-toothed lodge kitty
  11/24/17
While it shares some cr insights it is not without flaws. It...
Exhilarant poppy persian messiness
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Well compared to many of the other leading brands these days...
Shimmering costumed wrinkle
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How do you guys actually go about finding a church?
concupiscible internal respiration
  11/24/17
Find your parish boundaries
Boyish ceo
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lmao so far ITT all the naysaying poasters are literally wel...
self-centered navy chapel psychic
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Providence, actually
Boyish ceo
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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:46 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763172)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:46 PM
Author: hot shivering institution jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763174)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:59 PM
Author: Galvanic sandwich dilemma

I go to church in my best clothes. It makes me feel like a man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763213)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 3:59 PM
Author: hot shivering institution jap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763216)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763451)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 6:15 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Bat Shit Crazy Bbw International Law Enforcement Agency

I'm sure you need reminding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763946)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:27 PM
Author: concupiscible internal respiration

lold

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765359)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:00 PM
Author: Chest-beating stage toilet seat

christians are the most gullible people on earth. thats not an exaggeration

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763224)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness

Never said most of them weren't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763453)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: wonderful brethren laser beams

*leans into mic*

Mormons and Muzzies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763527)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: Khaki narrow-minded organic girlfriend

Muslims literally kill themselves thinking they're getting 72 virgins after they die because some Sheik on a yacht fucking porn stars and little boys tells them to.

Orthodox Jews spend their entire lives focusing on following a bunch of pointless, bullshit rules that essentially destroys their lives. Non-orthodox Jews still have their shitty religion run their entire lives (see DBG).

Christians are mostly chill, normal people. Yeah, I guess we're gullible because sometimes we send $1k to charity that actually gets misused or whatever, but Muslim and Jewish charity scams are just as bad or worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34908656)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:37 PM
Author: Glittery locale crotch

ive been an atheist since i was 7.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763498)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:40 PM
Author: indigo sound barrier people who are hurt

Can I be atheist but just go to church once in a while and get my kids baptized and generally just go through the motions as long as it takes minimal effort?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763516)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: Violet Location

(richard spencer)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763540)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:43 PM
Author: curious hateful hairy legs heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763807)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 12:40 PM
Author: drab irradiated ladyboy church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34908873)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: dull painfully honest hissy fit patrolman

i'm an atheist but I go from time to time just to sing hymns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763522)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:44 PM
Author: obsidian talking idea he suggested

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763536)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: Violet Location

i have a really flaming gay friend who does this, even sings in the church choir, but he's an avowed atheist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763542)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: Provocative useless stead

My uber driver talked me into being a Mormon. I made an appointment with a Bishop for next week. I don't think they are Christian though.

I like the part about the Native Americans being fried in Hell though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763523)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:43 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Flesh Degenerate

Yeah but Protestantism is kind of gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763529)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:45 PM
Author: indigo sound barrier people who are hurt

Russian orthodoxy is very straight. Priests are all married and tons of hot chicks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763543)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: Provocative useless stead

There is nothing hot about Russians. Shut your fucking mouth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763550)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:54 PM
Author: scarlet locus

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7e/99/b8/7e99b8886acfa5182d96f0791af8026f.jpg

You lose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763591)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:00 PM
Author: Mildly autistic property

slavs are subhuman and age the worst of any race

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763614)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:02 PM
Author: scarlet locus

Not remotely true. I know a bunch of hot Russian girls in their 30s and 40s. You're thinking of the old USSR where there were no gyms and everyone lived a horrible lifestyle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763621)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:12 PM
Author: Mildly autistic property

Russians are ugly people. they prize beauty to a retarded degree because they are largely ugly, run down, and they live in ugly, run down places.

a typical Russian 'babe' looks something like this

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/usa-trump_russia-leaks.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

your brainless dedication to a nation you don't belong to is hilarious. you don't fit in here so you obsess over the idea that Russia is not a degenerate shitshow that horrifies most people. you have a genetic craving to fall in line like a good little slav.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763644)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: scarlet locus

Oh look, a quotemo talking shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763763)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:35 PM
Author: Cerebral nibblets feces

that's Reality Winner lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763772)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:28 PM
Author: concupiscible internal respiration

absolutely devastating.

nothing is more pathetic than elevating a foreign culture or people like some kind of sad tiny-dicked Benedict Arnold.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765368)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:46 PM
Author: Provocative useless stead

You seem gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763547)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:48 PM
Author: scarlet locus

Compared to Russian Orthodoxy, it is all kind of gay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763556)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: Provocative useless stead

That's why you are one of the ugliest people on the planet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763562)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:51 PM
Author: scarlet locus

Catholicism - priests, little boys, enough said.

Typical lutherans/anglicans/whatever - full of shitlibs these days. Ergo, kinda gay.

Russian Orthodox - a bunch of conservaheros that get married to women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763572)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:13 PM
Author: Provocative useless stead

Stop conflating Mandy with women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763648)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:34 PM
Author: scarlet locus

She's a GENETIC female!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763766)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: scarlet locus

I'll embrace it when I have kids because, well, kids. I've realized ultimately that religion is ultimately cultural and that for 99% of members of whatever faith they're all the same ("we believe in a God that loves us and did stuff for us and thinks we're better than everyone else because we're part of this religion. And after we die we go to the special happy place and our relatives are there too..."). But the cultural differences are the difference between western civ and the clusterfuck that the clusterfuck of the middle east.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763551)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: Glittery locale crotch

u are 99 percent probability on the spectrum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763566)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 4:51 PM
Author: scarlet locus

Thanks captain obvious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763574)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 6:03 PM
Author: Startled thriller temple

i thought you were a kike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763901)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 6:12 PM
Author: turquoise appetizing space potus

You’re a middle aged Jew with a barren shrew for a wife. Kids? Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763934)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: indigo sound barrier people who are hurt

We have 9 frozen embryos and I will have you know that every SINGLE one of them is AA 4-5 expansion. Our results were top notch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765586)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:06 AM
Author: idiotic electric national security agency

what does AA 4-5 mean?

GF I was on marriage track with her I wanted her to freeze her eggs. Pls elaborate on everything egg freezing related

1. price

2. dyanamics with S/O

3. ratings? AA 4-5?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34766353)



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Date: November 26th, 2017 7:22 PM
Author: scarlet locus

These are frozen embryos, not eggs. Not sure it works the same. Costs are definitely different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34776920)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 5:44 PM
Author: curious hateful hairy legs heaven

Christianity is 180 but unfortunately JESUS can't keep this bad boy from GAKKING and SUCKING lol 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763811)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: balding yapping pisswyrm national

Pascal's Wager

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34763925)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:11 PM
Author: bateful overrated ticket booth

What's the probability god is a trickster who sends the obedient and faithful to hell?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765204)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:21 PM
Author: Boyish ceo

Such a universe would collapse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765685)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:12 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness

No man. The rewards in this life are much greater for a Christian. Even though this is a continent fact of our world. It could have been a different religion. But being Christian will get you places.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765214)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:29 PM
Author: concupiscible internal respiration

Tell me more about the rewards.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765375)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness

A public forum to discuss free will, the nature of mind/soul and the relationships between people

Structured communities with a group of elders and peers including girls

...

Soda and refreshments?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765583)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: impertinent supple quadroon senate

I like not being retarded but yeah the masses definitely need this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765584)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:05 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness

Bro you must be getting tired of the dead end of secularism. They literally think your mind is identical to your brain. They refuse to speak of pain because it's "supernatural" and instead refer to "c-fiber stimulation". Secular philosophy is not good man, it's a Vulcan nightmare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765591)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:10 PM
Author: impertinent supple quadroon senate

What do you expect me to do? Trick myself into believing? Won't happen man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765613)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:12 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness

No tricks brother. The possibility that your mind is a non-physical substance is very real. If true this has monumental, one might say spiritual or religious, implications.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765630)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: impertinent supple quadroon senate

oh wow never heard this before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765664)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:17 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765667)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:22 PM
Author: concupiscible internal respiration

"I'm a genius, I know god is fake!"

*lives profoundly substandard life*

"See what I mean!?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765689)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:45 PM
Author: impertinent supple quadroon senate

lol at this being an argument

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765865)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:11 PM
Author: Slippery buck-toothed lodge kitty

There are better religions out there. Buddhism is straight up superior to all Abrahamic ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765619)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:15 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness

While it shares some cr insights it is not without flaws. It is more focused on denial in this life than Abrahamic traditions, for example

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765656)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:12 PM
Author: Shimmering costumed wrinkle

Well compared to many of the other leading brands these days, could a cr statement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765631)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:15 PM
Author: concupiscible internal respiration

How do you guys actually go about finding a church?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765652)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:23 PM
Author: Boyish ceo

Find your parish boundaries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765693)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:26 PM
Author: self-centered navy chapel psychic

lmao so far ITT all the naysaying poasters are literally well-known insane ppl. did the OP just get lucky... or.... ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765715)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:27 PM
Author: Boyish ceo

Providence, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765730)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 11:32 PM
Author: Exhilarant poppy persian messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3807807&forum_id=2#34765768)



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