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Rex Tillerson making high level foggy bottom libs do FOIA requests all day.

Even more departures are expected as a result of an intens...
Free-loading heaven
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I thought libs loved government transparency
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90s lib: Transparency! 10s lib: Trans Parents.
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180. Fuck these self-important morons.
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Government leeches MAD they have to DO THEIR JOBS!
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but but but they are high level functionaries!!
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180 fucking trillion!!!!!!!!! you lib fucks can process t...
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LOL @ the Feds exploiting unpaid interns.
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"But I'm a DIPLOMAT!" cried the Tufts grad as Till...
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media going nuts over this
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180^180
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fucking lol at some of the comments Debbie New York37m ago...
Judgmental toilet seat
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oh, Tillerson is doing all that because he wants to make Put...
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lmfao they are so fucking clueless and unhinged. at same tim...
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Tillerson supported a carbon tax when he was at Exxon Mobile
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  12/19/17
This is so 180 the RNC should have it in 2018 campaign ads.
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interesting bit of honesty buried near the end: "For...
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LJL - there's not discussion about whether those jobs are ac...
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Not only that, they have a whole schematic worked out in whi...
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I wish
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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:13 PM
Author: Free-loading heaven

Even more departures are expected as a result of an intense campaign that Mr. Tillerson has ordered to reduce the department’s longtime backlog of Freedom of Information Act requests. CNN reported that the task had resulted from Mr. Trump’s desire to accelerate the release of Mrs. Clinton’s remaining emails.

Every bureau in the department has been asked to contribute to the effort. That has left midlevel employees and diplomats — including some just returning from high-level or difficult overseas assignments — to spend months performing mind-numbing clerical functions beside unpaid interns.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/us/politics/state-department-tillerson.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34765229)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:13 PM
Author: Underhanded Macaca

I thought libs loved government transparency

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34765233)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:17 PM
Author: Garnet ticket booth roast beef



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:20 PM
Author: Galvanic spot



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:05 AM
Author: Exhilarant cyan dragon native



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:00 PM
Author: supple maroon tank

90s lib: Transparency!

10s lib: Trans Parents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769372)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:56 PM
Author: Yapping black ratface pocket flask



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:08 PM
Author: Galvanic spot



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:17 PM
Author: Free-loading heaven



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:19 PM
Author: Dead Shrine Philosopher-king



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:30 PM
Author: Mauve Address



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Date: November 26th, 2017 2:16 AM
Author: disrespectful passionate sandwich



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:11 PM
Author: Judgmental toilet seat



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:20 PM
Author: insecure potus place of business



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:18 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle point degenerate

180

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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:19 PM
Author: splenetic hyperactive site faggotry

180. Fuck these self-important morons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34765291)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:19 PM
Author: swashbuckling cuckoldry patrolman

Government leeches MAD they have to DO THEIR JOBS!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34765296)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: Charismatic sweet tailpipe



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:41 PM
Author: navy excitant box office

but but but they are high level functionaries!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34771303)



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Date: November 26th, 2017 2:16 AM
Author: disrespectful passionate sandwich



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:20 PM
Author: Galvanic spot

MAGA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34765311)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:23 PM
Author: thriller coffee pot

Love it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34765335)



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Date: November 24th, 2017 10:25 PM
Author: Exciting maize mad cow disease gas station

180 fucking trillion!!!!!!!!!

you lib fucks can process the FOIA requests the lib fucks in the media shove in our grill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34765350)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:03 AM
Author: Free-loading heaven

LOL @ the Feds exploiting unpaid interns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34766336)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:04 AM
Author: Odious smoky crotch



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:04 AM
Author: ocher laughsome wagecucks corner



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:23 AM
Author: soul-stirring kink-friendly foreskin bbw

his greatest contribution: even the most self important of govt employees has nothing to brag about when they are at brunch in Logan circle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34766457)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 1:31 AM
Author: shimmering trailer park

NYT in the fight of its life to explain why this is a bad thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34766505)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 2:16 AM
Author: Yellow Massive Really Tough Guy

"But I'm a DIPLOMAT!" cried the Tufts grad as Tillerson handed him a print out of a bunch of Skadden Farts xo Doc Review threads with a cover page that says "Orientation Guide"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34766706)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 2:18 AM
Author: appetizing rehab clown

'can't we just hire some illegal Mexicans to do this???? Fucking Drumpf!!!'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34766721)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:12 PM
Author: Judgmental toilet seat

1800000000000000000000000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769449)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:39 PM
Author: Irradiated school cafeteria



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:41 PM
Author: navy excitant box office



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Date: November 26th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: Garnet ticket booth roast beef



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Date: November 25th, 2017 3:57 PM
Author: blue beady-eyed sex offender

media going nuts over this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769350)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:01 PM
Author: bateful aquamarine corn cake

lol @ these whiners. I'm a GS-14 with a fancy job title and I still have to do bitchwork FOIA stuff every few weeks when a request comes in. When you sign up for government service you sign up for the unsexy transparency parts too. These State Department drama queens signed up to be able to take international trips on the taxpayer's time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769379)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:04 PM
Author: histrionic sanctuary



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:08 PM
Author: Galvanic spot



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:20 PM
Author: provocative filthpig



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:23 PM
Author: citrine set puppy



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Date: November 25th, 2017 6:36 PM
Author: self-centered athletic conference

180

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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:38 PM
Author: Underhanded Macaca



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Date: November 25th, 2017 7:39 PM
Author: Irradiated school cafeteria



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:28 PM
Author: Odious smoky crotch



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:32 PM
Author: mind-boggling theater stage love of her life



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:11 PM
Author: Orange Sneaky Criminal

180^180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769436)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:13 PM
Author: Judgmental toilet seat

fucking lol at some of the comments

Debbie

New York37m ago

Trump, Tillerson and their evil cohorts are a third column, bent on destroying America from the inside out.

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Rupert Laumann

Utah38m ago

Maybe the worst long-term damage he ca do next to Global Warming.

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Dave

Canada38m ago

Diplomacy is dead long live the military!

That is the clarion cry of this travesty, the Trump administration.

In a time of tension you need a brigade of diplomats and not a $70 billion dollar expansion of the military budget.

What is the deviant Trump up to? As nothing is by the norm it is therefore deviant. The deviant in chief.

Winning at the price of civilization?

Are you sick of winning yet?

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Lennerd

Seattle38m ago

It's not considered fashionable to make Hitler comparisons, but Hitler worked hard to make Germany's government chaotic - successfully, too. That chaos played into his hand as more and more government functions fell into his hands and those of his immediate circle.

Wikipedia under the heading "Nazi Germany": "All power was centralised in Hitler's person and his word became above all laws. The government was not a coordinated, co-operating body, but a collection of factions struggling for power and Hitler's favour. In the midst of the Great Depression, the Nazis restored economic stability and ended mass unemployment using heavy military spending and a mixed economy."

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SCA

NH38m ago

Well, look. I watch what are called the liberal media outlets--MSNBC and CNN--whose frequent guests are former diplomats from Democratic Administrations, all of them shaking their heads sadly at the dreadful blundering of this Administration--and yet all of them failed in their goals. No peace in the Middle East; North Korea more dangerous than it ever was before; a totally failed *reset* with Russia; Afghanistan a worse, and sinking, morass, with our young men and women dying all over the globe, just continuing the pattern--

--so am I supposed to be clutching my pearls over the decimation of their remaining ranks now?

Over and over and over again, we, and the world, keep paying for what the smart people brought us.

Seriously. The dumb ones can do no worse. Maybe they'll accidentally blunder into something good. Anything can happen, right?

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GladF7

Nashville TN38m ago

Where ever he is today Putin is happy, Trump his sleeper agent has succeed beyond his wildest dreams.

Tillerson taking apart the start department is great for Russia. If we get a full 4 years of Trump God only knows how bad it will get. This is only the beginning.

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Kayleigh73

Raleigh38m ago

Of course the unqualified tRump and Tillerson will blame Hillary and Obama when a hundred Benghazis occur be the only Republican response will be to hold hearings. Trey Gowdy rides again!

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769459)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:20 PM
Author: Dead Shrine Philosopher-king

oh, Tillerson is doing all that because he wants to make Putin happy:

Again, if a hostile occupying force were dismantling our government agencies like this we would rise up in force. This has collusion written all over it. Tillerson, the honored friend of Russia, the personal friend of Putin. Tillerson, the head of a multi-national corporation which has it's on global, planet killing agenda, often at odds with our national interests and those of our allies. Putin and Exxon. Tillerson has his own personal agenda to weaken America's influence worldwide. Putin, the world's greatest oligarch, agrees. This is a treasonous attack on our nation and a body blow to the planet. And our Republican Congress, weak and complicit, fetal oligarchs quickening with greed or miscreant theocrats, writes letters...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769816)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:45 PM
Author: navy excitant box office

lmfao they are so fucking clueless and unhinged. at same time this level of retard from ppl who regularly read the times and can operate a computer well enough to make a comment (puts them in top 30% of americans re intelligence), scares me. can society withstand this onslaught?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34771332)



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Date: December 19th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: vibrant doctorate base

Tillerson supported a carbon tax when he was at Exxon Mobile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34960035)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:16 PM
Author: citrine set puppy

This is so 180 the RNC should have it in 2018 campaign ads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769483)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: Dead Shrine Philosopher-king

my only regret: i didn't know of this wonderful fact before Thanksgiving dinner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769681)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 5:18 PM
Author: Dead Shrine Philosopher-king

interesting bit of honesty buried near the end:

"For many at the State Department, their experience under Mr. Tillerson has been a particular shock because their hopes for him were initially high.

Mrs. Clinton and John Kerry, her successor, were both seen as focused on their own priorities and were not particularly popular within the department. The model secretaries in recent history have been Colin Powell, James A. Baker III and George P. Shultz, Republicans who cared about management."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34769800)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 6:39 PM
Author: Yapping black ratface pocket flask

LJL - there's not discussion about whether those jobs are actually necessary. Instead, those women and minorities DESERVE them how DARE KKK leader TILLERSON take them away!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34770412)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:24 PM
Author: Ebony internet-worthy coldplay fan institution

Not only that, they have a whole schematic worked out in which they are all equal to 2-star, 3-star, and 4-star generals fucking LMAOOOOO

The number of those with the department’s top two ranks of career ambassador and career minister — equivalent to four- and three-star generals — will have been cut in half by Dec. 1, from 39 to 19. And of the 431 minister-counselors, who have two-star-equivalent ranks, 369 remain and another 14 have indicated that they will leave soon — an 18 percent drop — according to an accounting provided by the American Foreign Service Association.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34771160)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:31 PM
Author: mint whorehouse

lmao @ "minister-counselor"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34771212)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:32 PM
Author: Odious smoky crotch

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34771226)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:35 PM
Author: Irradiated school cafeteria

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34771244)



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Date: November 25th, 2017 8:46 PM
Author: territorial mediation

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34771341)



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Date: November 26th, 2017 2:21 AM
Author: citrine set puppy



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Date: November 26th, 2017 2:39 PM
Author: copper prole

The entire US Army only has 99 two-stars. LOL at the State Department needing 431 prancing two-star equivalent “minister-counselors.”

Top-heavy and wasteful. We’re supposed to be upset over 80 or so leaving?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34774982)



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Date: December 25th, 2017 1:27 AM
Author: Autistic business firm



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Date: November 26th, 2017 5:16 PM
Author: Garnet ticket booth roast beef

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34775951)



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Date: November 28th, 2017 1:56 PM
Author: territorial mediation



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Date: November 26th, 2017 2:08 AM
Author: provocative filthpig

"Among those fired or sidelined were most of the top African-American and Latino diplomats, as well as many women, difficult losses in a department that has long struggled with diversity."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34773165)



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Date: November 26th, 2017 2:47 PM
Author: territorial mediation

haha evan very funny

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3808095&forum_id=2#34775021)



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Date: November 26th, 2017 5:12 PM
Author: provocative filthpig

I wish

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Date: November 26th, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: Galvanic spot



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Date: November 25th, 2017 9:02 PM
Author: mind-boggling theater stage love of her life

180

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