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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:28 PM Author: Cobalt gunner In know Trump's lawyer is saying there's no subpoena, but if Trump really did get $300 million in suspicious loans Mueller would be an idiot to ignore it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846463) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:29 PM Author: Orchid Police Squad "Mueller" has no credibility any more; he's effectively done here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846476) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:32 PM Author: Cobalt gunner If bank records show Russians own the note on Trump's debt that creates a serious conflict of interest, even if there was no collusion or anything illegal. Security distances get denied/revoked for this sort of thing. DoD, state dept, intelligence agencies all will want to screen Trump out of certain high level decisions because of the security risk he presents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846499) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:33 PM Author: Swashbuckling parlor ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846511) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:33 PM Author: Gold church this is an interesting use of the term 'conflict of interest' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846515) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:34 PM Author: Cobalt gunner It's one that anyone who has ever submitted an OGE-450 will understand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846527) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:40 PM Author: Gold church i don't think you do. or perhaps you can give an example.
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:45 PM Author: Cobalt gunner If you owe large sums money to anyone with interests that are substantially affected by US government policy, you have a motive to tilt government policy in their favor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846609) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:47 PM Author: Purple Tanning Salon To play devil's advocate here, lots of people and western business entities do business in Russia. I don't think a loan or an investment alone should be cause to say one has been bought off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846633) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:51 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Not saying he was bought off. Even if Russians own the note I don't personally believe it means Trump did anything wrong. However that's the sort of thing that would get someone denied a security clearance. If you're the director of the CIA or FBI and you know Trump owes $300 million to Russian banks you might flat out refuse to share certain information with him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846659) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:55 PM Author: Purple Tanning Salon To be fair, it's often the case that a politician (even the President) would struggle to get through a fed gov background check or security clearance. I would need to see more than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846696) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:01 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Not sure what you're referring to. People claimed Obama would get dinged for past drug use but that's not necessarily true, since the drug use was so long ago. Maybe some agencies have a zero tolerance policy but plenty of them do not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846732) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:10 PM Author: Purple Tanning Salon My point is that the standard for employees is not really applicable to elected officials. It's incumbent on the public and the media to do the vetting, and convicting or impeaching an elected official requires more than "he wouldn't pass a background check!" I do think there's enough smoke here for Mueller to continue his investigation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846814) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:33 PM Author: Cobalt gunner I agree 100%. I think it's a political issue, not a legal one. I've tried to stress that here. I'm as alarmed as anyone by libs' attempts to find crimes where none exist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847011) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:34 PM Author: Gold church if there is no legal issue then why do you say "Mueller would be an idiot to ignore it"?
is he now the political inquisitor of the department of justice?
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:50 PM Author: Cobalt gunner It has counterintelligence implications. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847128) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:01 PM Author: Gold church I look forward to President Trump using the DOJ to examine other politicians lives for things which may have 'counterintelligence implications.'
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:50 PM Author: Gold church that isn't an example.
can you find an example of a us president completing an oge-450?
can you find an example of someone who is required to complete one being barred from any office which could influence any policy that impacts the country in which the lender is situated?
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:52 PM Author: Cobalt gunner I thought you were asking me to explain how it creates a conflict of interest. Even if the POTUS doesn't submit a 450, the underlying principle is the same. It's still a CoI, just not one the law polices against. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846670) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:53 PM Author: Gold church so it is not a conflict of interest as it is understood or applied by the us government to any other person at any time in history. exactly what i said.
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:54 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Do you have a substantive argument? Or just a semantic one? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846692) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:55 PM Author: Gold church the substantive argument is that your conflict claim was pulled out of your ass.
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:58 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Well it turns out it's pulled out of the reasoning used to define "conflicts of interest" for routine government purposes.
If you like we can talk about the reasons why people with substantial debts get denied security clearances. Would you prefer that? |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:03 PM Author: Gold church i've already said what i want. an example of an ethics screen impacting someone in the united states government in the way you are describing.
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:38 PM Author: Gold church sry i think your response was lost plz repost
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:42 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Sorry, not into the moving goalposts thing. You asked how it creates a conflict of interest and I answered. If your argument is that no US president or comparable official has been found to have a CoI under a similar set of facts I'll concede that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847457) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:43 PM Author: Gold church no goalpoasts have been moved you evasive moron.
you made an claim that you can't back up worth a damn but are too much of a queer to own up to it.
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:05 PM Author: Floppy ocher indian lodge 278 filer here, and this is ridiculous. He’s the President. The man is allowed to have businesses and earn money and borrow money from whomever he chooses. If you don’t like it, vote him out or impeach and convict him for high crimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846768) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:30 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Like I said it doesn't put him in any legal jeopardy. It does compromise him politically. Maybe repealing the Magnitsky act makes sense. Maybe we should be working with Russia in the middle east. But putting those decisions in the hands of a guy who owes $300 million to Russian banks is just going to make it that much more difficult for him to accomplish any of those things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846991) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:02 PM Author: Violet fat ankles plaza What exactly is suspicious about a real estate developer getting a loan from Deutsche Bank? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846742) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:06 PM Author: Purple Tanning Salon Past statements (before the election) from Trump, Trump org, and his sons have indicated that Trump org relied on financing from Russian banks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846780) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:13 PM Author: Violet fat ankles plaza Deutsche Bank is German (and not even formerly East German). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846835) |
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Date: June 30th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Up-to-no-good bronze telephone crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#36341604) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:32 PM Author: Cobalt gunner People are saying DB may have sold the note to Russian banks. If that's just pure speculation then I'm not worried. But if there's any merit to it it would be a very shitty revelation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847006) |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:13 PM Author: Beady-eyed Point What? Why on earth would that be a shitty revelation? Banks resell notes and debt all the time. Both my mortgage and my student loans got resold. What if they got resold to Russian banks? Would that be "a very shitty revelation" for me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34854395) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2019 6:31 PM Author: Cobalt gunner You're the furthest thing from POTUS. No one gives a fuck what you do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38273737) |
Date: December 5th, 2017 4:29 PM Author: sexy toilet seat Lol, jfc. Do you all ever learn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846473) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:31 PM Author: vengeful exhilarant ladyboy Trump is surely finished this time! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846491) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:37 PM Author: sepia church building Impeachment is coming, Trumpcucks! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846547) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:32 PM Author: Claret Razzle-dazzle Generalized Bond Lodge *searches for 'turning points' thread* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846508) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:36 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Go ahead, you won't find me in any of them. I've been a trumpmo since 2015 and I haven't bought into ANY of the prior "controversies." This is literally the first time I've felt like Trump might be seriously fucked (though only politically - I don't think it's against the law to owe Russians money). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846536) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:38 PM Author: vengeful exhilarant ladyboy lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846556) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:40 PM Author: Cobalt gunner I was really hoping someone could explain why I'm wrong about this, but it doesn't seem like you're up to the task. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846569) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:39 PM Author: stirring place of business cruise ship risten, rong time Tlumpmo here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846561) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:39 PM Author: sick frum kitty mad-dog skullcap Link to 2015 support? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846563) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:43 PM Author: Cobalt gunner http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2963765&mc=19&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846593) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: Cobalt gunner http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3076106&mc=109&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846646) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:00 PM Author: sexy toilet seat One link where you say he did well in an interview and another where you say hasnt tweeted in a while? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846723) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:01 PM Author: Cobalt gunner It's all I have from 2015 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34846734) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 2:35 PM Author: motley narrow-minded property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38862698) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:45 PM Author: charismatic area How do you go from Deutche Bank to --> Russia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847102) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 5:57 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Libs think DB may have sold the loan to Russian banks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847165) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:28 PM Author: charismatic area Banks sell assets all the fucking time. This is retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847375) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:37 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Yeah no shit. I don't think there's anything illegal about Trump owing money to Russian banks. However, the US president being in debt to anyone for $300bn is a big deal, let alone someone affiliated with a US adversary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847423) |
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Date: May 19th, 2019 12:26 PM Author: charismatic area Lololol trump being in debt for 300BB LOLOLOLOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38256449) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2019 6:32 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Typo. I said million in the OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38273746) |
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Date: May 26th, 2018 7:34 PM Author: Up-to-no-good bronze telephone crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#36133197) |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:08 PM Author: Harsh state Oh shit, Trump is done her—
...and it’s fake news.
https://mobile.twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/938144926956695552 |
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Date: December 5th, 2017 6:10 PM Author: Gold church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34847253) |
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Date: October 16th, 2018 6:45 PM Author: Up-to-no-good bronze telephone crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37037266) |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 2:57 PM Author: Adventurous resort The reason they're after DB's records is that the Trump Org. defaulted on about $330MM of debt to DB in 2008 (his only defense was literally that he should not have to pay them back because DB played a leading role in the 2008 crash). Trump and DB ultimately settled, and part of the deal was that Trump Org. had to pay them a large sum. Trump Org. got this money with a loan from DB to DJT. The question is why would DB still be lending to an individual whose company had stiffed them on hundreds of millions? That's what Mueller is trying to answer.
In the background is the fact that DB's Russia branch had a money laundering scheme to benefit Russia's Kremlin/mafia elite.
The lib wet dream is that the decision to keep lending to Trump is somehow connected to a role Trump played in the money laundering scheme. Some say part of the laundered money was used to buy Trump RE in the US. The theory would be something along the lines of Trump turning a blind eye to all cash Russian buyers so they could park their dirty money in his real estate. Even if he did, is that a crime? I don't know. Maybe if he was promised some benefit in return, i.e. the loan from DB.
All of this is not things I necessarily believe, but if you're wondering what Mueller is after, this is most likely it. |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 2:58 PM Author: Blathering idiot cr, but even if there is no money laundering scheme it would still make Trump look like a bitch if he's in hock to big foreign banks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34854277) |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:05 PM Author: stirring place of business cruise ship >> The theory would be something along the lines of Trump turning a blind eye to all cash Russian buyers so they could park their dirty money in his real estate. <<
Lol, so they will presumably be going after all the big Jewish MFH developers who do the same thing (and also donate tons to the Dems), right? |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:05 PM Author: sick frum kitty mad-dog skullcap No, because the probe is related to impeaching Trump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34854334) |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:09 PM Author: Adventurous resort Did you miss my next words or just being glib?
"Even if he did, is that a crime? I don't know. Maybe if he was promised some benefit in return, i.e. the loan from DB."
Still don't know if that's a crime. But surely libs care more about taking down DJT than they do the rest of NYC's RE developers. |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:14 PM Author: stirring place of business cruise ship Being glib.
I actually think foreign purchases of US real estate, whether related to laundering or not, is a huge issue.
But I find it rich that it's only an issue for these people because it's Trump. |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:20 PM Author: Adventurous resort Agreed. It's preposterous when you think about it objectively but his opponents are rabid dogs. They just want blood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#34854445) |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:09 PM Author: Ruddy contagious famous landscape painting >The question is why would DB still be lending to an individual whose company had stiffed them on hundreds of millions?
This happens all the time. It is a non-event. |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:16 PM Author: Adventurous resort Even if it does happen all the time, which I would dispute, you can't be serious in thinking libs aren't treating Trump differently than any other regular Joe Schmo. Second, DB is the only "big bank" that would even touch Trump after all the bankruptcies (which go back way farther), so it's fair to wonder whether any other big bank would let this "happen all the time."
Anyway, I can't think of a better idea for what they're after. But tell me if you know of one. |
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Date: December 6th, 2017 3:10 PM Author: electric stead "Trump Org. got this money with a loan from DB to DJT. The question is why would DB still be lending to an individual whose company had stiffed them on hundreds of millions? That's what Mueller is trying to answer."
Not a finance guy, but perhaps during the financial crisis it seemed like a good settlement for DB to simply loan Trump the money he owes them and earn interest on it instead of fucking around while he finds another source of funding, especially if that would make Trump agree to a higher dollar amount. Just guessing, but the settlement might have made that loan much more difficult to default on than a normal loan so it wouldn't be much risk. |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:47 PM Author: Adulterous Shitlib lol'd just from seeing the bumped thread title (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#36279724) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: charismatic area (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#36279733) |
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Date: June 20th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: Up-to-no-good bronze telephone crackhouse Libs (and some cons too apparently) literally believe DB is a Russian front operation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#36279735) |
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Date: June 30th, 2018 6:57 PM Author: Vibrant fanboi forum Would explain a lot, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#36341664) |
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Date: June 30th, 2018 7:20 PM Author: histrionic garnet queen of the night macaca that dildo hole in your ass looks serious, might want to get it checked out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#36341760) |
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Date: November 29th, 2018 8:08 AM Author: cerebral wine mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37319280) |
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Date: November 30th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: buff magical black woman OP validated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37328284) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 4:33 PM Author: buff magical black woman https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-deutsche-bank/trump-deutsche-bank-links-in-sights-of-u-s-house-investigators-idUSKCN1PC123 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37616344) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 4:51 PM Author: Soul-stirring Ivory Legal Warrant Piazza So the "investigation" will be lead by Maxine Waters? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37616442) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 4:57 PM Author: sepia church building they gonna write a memo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37616475) |
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Date: March 25th, 2019 10:30 PM Author: Soul-stirring Ivory Legal Warrant Piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37990649) |
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Date: March 25th, 2019 10:36 PM Author: Naked big nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37990697) |
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Date: March 25th, 2019 10:35 PM Author: onyx spot ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37990687) |
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Date: March 26th, 2019 12:18 PM Author: Cobalt gunner OP here, not gonna apologize (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#37992924) |
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Date: May 19th, 2019 12:32 PM Author: charismatic area Will you admit you’re a fucking retard for thinking any bank would loan any entity 300BB? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38256465) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2019 6:28 PM Author: Cobalt gunner Re-read my OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38273727) |
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Date: April 16th, 2019 5:37 PM Author: sepia church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38098038) |
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Date: May 19th, 2019 12:19 PM Author: sepia church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38256435) |
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Date: May 19th, 2019 12:37 PM Author: pearl abode Libs are just fucking retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3818987&forum_id=2#38256474) |
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