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Chick said she was "thinking about me" yesterday (evan39)

Haha wow holy shit
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
BEEP BEEP BEEP
Fighting Incel
  12/10/17
ty!
walnut abode idiot
  12/10/17
Fuck off flame(r)
razzle spot masturbator
  12/10/17
Nobody forced you to click, fag.
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
respond with "hope you changed your panties"
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jade laughsome cuckold half-breed
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We made sustained eye contact probably eight times. She also...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Every second you let pass without making a move works agains...
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
Understood, friend. I'll do my best.
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Do you have an immense Height advantage? Move in and dominat...
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
Yeah, I'm quite a bit taller than she is.
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Do what I said. The longer you wait the longer you give her ...
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
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Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
when you see a pussy or a woman in the doggystyle position, ...
Buff center
  12/10/17
U prick, u know no one enjoys the sight of a pussy
Vigorous Amber Ratface
  12/10/17
???
Fluffy point
  12/10/17
You haven't fucked her yet? Don't be gay, she's DTF.
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Vigorous Amber Ratface
  12/10/17
Evan next step is to escalate physical contact - condition h...
grizzly charismatic windowlicker
  12/10/17
I'll do my best. She's so damn cute.
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
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If you don't act on this soon she's going to conclude you ar...
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Heady alcoholic puppy
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I know, I know.
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?
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
What are you, some kind of fagg0t? Ask the chick out!
walnut abode idiot
  12/10/17
I was this close.
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Gay
coral violent scourge upon the earth gas station
  12/10/17
Just get it over w.
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Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
You owe it to the bort to fuck her
Diverse boltzmann
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Fluffy point
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Self-centered Twisted Faggot Firefighter Giraffe
  12/10/17
She wore a baseball cap with a pony tail unnngh
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
why? is she Balding?
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
What? Of course not. You've never seen a cute chick wearing ...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Evan --> I'm super socially awkward and shy, but I get da...
aromatic obsidian psychic
  12/10/17
don't do this. maybe if he didn't see her every day but no.
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
Elaborate, friend.
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
It's a sign of weakness. Get her # if you can though. Abide ...
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
don't forget she's hot to trot, I think it's more important ...
aromatic obsidian psychic
  12/10/17
why not? If she likes him she'll agree... it starts him off ...
aromatic obsidian psychic
  12/10/17
I'm going to add her on social media but will not "ask ...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Don't delay it... it's more important to strike while the ir...
aromatic obsidian psychic
  12/10/17
Our schedules only overlap for a few days so I won't see her...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
that's why you should snag her now... you aren't a chad, at ...
aromatic obsidian psychic
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Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
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Younger millenials see facebook the way that we see myspace....
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
She's mid-twenties and has an active social media presence o...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Shut up, queer. When was the last time you were with a woman...
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
I haven't been with a woman in probably a decade and drive a...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
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Pic of girl?
Rebellious Fragrant Church
  12/10/17
I will never poast a pic of this girl. She's young, pretty, ...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Friend her and invite her to hang out... keep it casual but ...
aromatic obsidian psychic
  12/10/17
Is there a chance she just sees me as a beta "friend&qu...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
I don't think so from the way you've described her acting; b...
aromatic obsidian psychic
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cq lmao, cowgod asking the important questions
impertinent address
  12/10/17
btw, where the FUCK is the Autism Alert for this thread?
walnut abode idiot
  12/10/17
?
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/10/17
Just found out she's a huge lib and Hillary supporter. I'll ...
Very tactful nofapping generalized bond
  12/11/17
nah lots of these girls only fuck Trumpmos
Fluffy point
  12/11/17
I don't understand how evan's transition to heteroman fits i...
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I just want to see what happens. She's a really nice girl.
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  12/11/17
lol
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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:28 AM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

Haha wow holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881211)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:01 PM
Author: Fighting Incel

BEEP BEEP BEEP

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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:04 PM
Author: walnut abode idiot

ty!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884205)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:03 PM
Author: razzle spot masturbator

Fuck off flame(r)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884197)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:05 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

Nobody forced you to click, fag.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884213)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:29 AM
Author: grizzly charismatic windowlicker

respond with "hope you changed your panties"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881213)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:29 AM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:17 PM
Author: splenetic locus antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883895)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:38 PM
Author: jade laughsome cuckold half-breed



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:33 AM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

We made sustained eye contact probably eight times. She also came and talked to me on several occasions. I have to conclude that she's interested. Why else would a girl act this way?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881228)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:22 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

Every second you let pass without making a move works against you. There are lots of "reasons" for a woman to act like this that defy all logic. You're still *you* at the end of the day - no offence - so who knows what's compelling her to act like this.

Make a move and at least you're leading the situation, even if you aren't necessarily guaranteed to "win." It's like playing chess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883924)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:23 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

Understood, friend. I'll do my best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883935)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:25 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

Do you have an immense Height advantage? Move in and dominate her like you would a diminutive prison cellmate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883946)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:26 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

Yeah, I'm quite a bit taller than she is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883953)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:27 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

Do what I said. The longer you wait the longer you give her to realise that you're like 5`7`` and make $17k. The second you've escalated physical contact, you multiply her attraction to you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883967)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:28 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883980)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:37 AM
Author: Buff center

when you see a pussy or a woman in the doggystyle position, does it give you a buzz?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881249)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:39 AM
Author: Vigorous Amber Ratface

U prick, u know no one enjoys the sight of a pussy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881258)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 10:01 AM
Author: Fluffy point

???

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881360)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:39 AM
Author: saffron bawdyhouse

You haven't fucked her yet? Don't be gay, she's DTF.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881259)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:39 AM
Author: Vigorous Amber Ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881260)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:40 AM
Author: grizzly charismatic windowlicker

Evan next step is to escalate physical contact - condition her to little touches. Then invite her on a date that ends in an isolated place where you can bang.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881267)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

I'll do my best. She's so damn cute.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881273)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: ultramarine ladyboy fat ankles

If you don't act on this soon she's going to conclude you aren't interested or assume you are gay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881274)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: Heady alcoholic puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881278)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

I know, I know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881280)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:43 AM
Author: racy navy ticket booth



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Date: December 10th, 2017 9:44 AM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881289)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 10:03 AM
Author: walnut abode idiot

What are you, some kind of fagg0t? Ask the chick out!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881364)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 10:05 AM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

I was this close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881373)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 10:04 AM
Author: coral violent scourge upon the earth gas station

Gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881368)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 10:06 AM
Author: Amethyst pea-brained toaster genital piercing

Just get it over w.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34881376)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:16 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:18 PM
Author: Diverse boltzmann

You owe it to the bort to fuck her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883901)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:19 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:23 PM
Author: Fluffy point



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:46 PM
Author: angry big set



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:19 PM
Author: Self-centered Twisted Faggot Firefighter Giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883905)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:22 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

She wore a baseball cap with a pony tail unnngh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883923)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:24 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

why? is she Balding?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883940)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:25 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

What? Of course not. You've never seen a cute chick wearing a baseball hat? It can be extremely hot:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/ee/da/48eeda3e027e683eb554035fd77acded--casual-sporty-outfits-sporty-style.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883949)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:27 PM
Author: aromatic obsidian psychic

Evan --> I'm super socially awkward and shy, but I get dates.... friend her on Facebook or some other idiotic social media thing and then send her a note asking her out for drinks, if she engages at all it's on, if she doesn't like you she won't accept your request and it won't matter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883966)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:28 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

don't do this. maybe if he didn't see her every day but no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883975)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:28 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

Elaborate, friend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883979)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

It's a sign of weakness. Get her # if you can though. Abide Roosh/Roissy's wisdom on text message brevity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic_phrase

=========

A laconic phrase may be used for efficiency (as in military jargon), for philosophical reasons (especially among thinkers who believe in minimalism, such as Stoics), or to better deflate a pompous individual (a famous example being at the Battle of Thermopylae).

Another prominent example involves Philip II of Macedon. After invading southern Greece and receiving the submission of other key city-states, he turned his attention to Sparta and asked menacingly whether he should come as friend or foe; the reply was "Neither."[3] Losing patience, he sent the message:

You are advised to submit without further delay, for if I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city.[4]

The Spartan ephors again replied with a single word:

If.[5]

Subsequently, neither Philip nor his son Alexander the Great attempted to capture the city.

=========

Her replies will be a window into her soul. If they're long and florid then you can capitalise on that. Texting is a lifehack if done correctly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883999)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:33 PM
Author: aromatic obsidian psychic

don't forget she's hot to trot, I think it's more important that he make his move even if it's in a beta way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884005)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: aromatic obsidian psychic

why not? If she likes him she'll agree... it starts him off in a slightly beta position but she likes him so it doesn't matter, plus they work together so it's good if he's not completely up her shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883986)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

I'm going to add her on social media but will not "ask her out" that way. I'll do that in person.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34883992)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: aromatic obsidian psychic

Don't delay it... it's more important to strike while the iron is hot... I'd send her a note when she accepts and then say - hey let's grab a drink after work on Tuesday - or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884001)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

Our schedules only overlap for a few days so I won't see her again for a while, unfortunately. This gives Chad an opportunity, sadly. Those bastards are everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884007)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:37 PM
Author: aromatic obsidian psychic

that's why you should snag her now... you aren't a chad, at least not yet, so respond to the signals she's sending and wrap those pretty lips around your hog

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884038)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:38 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884044)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:34 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

Younger millenials see facebook the way that we see myspace. It's like asking a woman out on xo.

Getting the # irl at least requires some initiative. If he hits her up cold on the internet then she's less apt to engage over time. Get her # and she'll just braindump you at random if she's dtf.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884009)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

She's mid-twenties and has an active social media presence on like three major platforms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884018)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:36 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

Shut up, queer. When was the last time you were with a woman? What Car do you drive? Just stating questions, not trying to be a dick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884031)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:39 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

I haven't been with a woman in probably a decade and drive a decidedly beta car. Also, how dare you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884049)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:43 PM
Author: Rebellious Fragrant Church

Pic of girl?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884081)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:44 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

I will never poast a pic of this girl. She's young, pretty, and has no visible tattoos or blemishes. Kind of rare these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884088)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:48 PM
Author: aromatic obsidian psychic

Friend her and invite her to hang out... keep it casual but make sure your agenda is clear and you'll be fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884106)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:48 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

Is there a chance she just sees me as a beta "friend" or white knight loser? This is my greatest fear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884114)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:53 PM
Author: aromatic obsidian psychic

I don't think so from the way you've described her acting; but it doesn't matter you can't know until you spend time with her alone

And friend zone stuff is usually the fault of the guy not making his intentions clear (at least in my experience) earlier on... it's usually mutual affection that the guy didn't act on early enough



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884143)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: splenetic locus antidepressant drug



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:54 PM
Author: impertinent address

cq lmao, cowgod asking the important questions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884151)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: walnut abode idiot

btw, where the FUCK is the Autism Alert for this thread?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884156)



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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:01 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34884184)



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Date: December 11th, 2017 7:43 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

Just found out she's a huge lib and Hillary supporter. I'll have to be very careful if the subject arises.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34893571)



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Date: December 11th, 2017 7:46 PM
Author: Fluffy point

nah lots of these girls only fuck Trumpmos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3823581&forum_id=2#34893584)



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Date: December 11th, 2017 7:47 PM
Author: 180 at-the-ready toilet seat cruise ship

I don't understand how evan's transition to heteroman fits into the story.

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Date: December 11th, 2017 7:49 PM
Author: Very tactful nofapping generalized bond

I just want to see what happens. She's a really nice girl.

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Date: February 3rd, 2018 11:00 PM
Author: Motley mewling gaping crackhouse

lol

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