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Do Asians have a harder time grasping individualism?

Did external threats like the violent mongolians force them ...
carnelian theater
  12/13/17
No, they just have a naturally more collectivist culture. So...
vigorous mental disorder
  12/13/17
azn americans may be different though. not any more or less...
Awkward principal's office
  12/13/17
Yeah Azn Americans get "Americanized" so it doesn'...
vigorous mental disorder
  12/13/17
*learry
Heady pervert
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vigorous mental disorder
  12/13/17
r u joking
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  12/13/17
no just generalizing from my own experience. I don't feel co...
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  12/13/17
lol
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  12/13/17
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  12/13/17
What possessed you to make this thread lol
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  12/13/17
Thinking about how when i was in the philippines everything ...
carnelian theater
  12/13/17
If anything you'd think the Mongolians would increase the te...
dashing federal address pisswyrm
  12/13/17
also low t
Mauve mischievous locus
  12/13/17
>Could be a reflection of very long term agrarian society...
mewling sepia sweet tailpipe
  12/13/17
I meant food or weather related, esp. enough for bottleneck....
dashing federal address pisswyrm
  12/13/17
Yuge, yuge amoutns of weather related deaths in China- the w...
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carnelian theater
  12/13/17
Interesting, thanks. So you think the threat of Islam preven...
dashing federal address pisswyrm
  12/13/17
Mongols stopped after conquering Hungary, and their rule ove...
mewling sepia sweet tailpipe
  12/13/17
(also, does your theory work wrt say Japan vs. Iceland?)
dashing federal address pisswyrm
  12/13/17
goddamn Mongorians!!
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  12/13/17
Shitty wok
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you guys should download Meitu or some other Chinese social ...
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Yeah and they way they all blend into the background like ex...
carnelian theater
  12/13/17
99.99% of people will never do anything innovative
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  12/13/17
you could say this for literally any group of people
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  12/13/17
Hive minded insects
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Yes. The Chinese especially are extremely collectivist and w...
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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: carnelian theater

Did external threats like the violent mongolians force them to select for insane anounts of conformity thus stifling innovation and originality to this day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909460)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:46 PM
Author: vigorous mental disorder

No, they just have a naturally more collectivist culture. Sort of like human ants, they prioritize a notion of national "harmony" and order.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909471)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: Awkward principal's office

azn americans may be different though. not any more or less individualistic than white people ime.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909490)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:49 PM
Author: vigorous mental disorder

Yeah Azn Americans get "Americanized" so it doesn't rearry, I mean really, apply.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909507)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:51 PM
Author: Heady pervert

*learry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909536)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:52 PM
Author: vigorous mental disorder



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:49 PM
Author: Floppy Orchid Dingle Berry Resort

r u joking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909508)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:53 PM
Author: Awkward principal's office

no just generalizing from my own experience. I don't feel comfortable in groups, don't feel any bonds to any kind of group, not family, ethnicity, alma mater, work, etc. i'm highly trollish and enjoy seeing chaos in society and organizations. but then again the fact that I enjoy xo may mean i'm an outlier. still, Asians are probably overrepresented on this board, which suggests a significant individualistic streak.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909556)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:08 PM
Author: Dun lascivious lay coffee pot

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909695)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:47 PM
Author: Flickering garrison genital piercing

my peepee is small

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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:47 PM
Author: Chestnut senate

What possessed you to make this thread lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909482)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:49 PM
Author: carnelian theater

Thinking about how when i was in the philippines everything was bootlegged and how they just imitate instead of innovate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909501)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: dashing federal address pisswyrm

If anything you'd think the Mongolians would increase the tendency to individualism, through intermarriage.

Nisbett of all people made his bones propounding Asians tend to be more collectivist. Naturally he ascribes it to nurture.

Could be a reflection of very long term agrarian society without many die off events. Idk, have to look at it more carefully.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909486)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: Mauve mischievous locus

also low t

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909494)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:53 PM
Author: mewling sepia sweet tailpipe

>Could be a reflection of very long term agrarian society without many die off events. Idk, have to look at it more carefully.

without many die off events???

THe mongolian invasions of China took out half the population

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909548)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:06 PM
Author: dashing federal address pisswyrm

I meant food or weather related, esp. enough for bottleneck. As noted I'd expect Mongols to increase not decrease psychotic ism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909674)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:09 PM
Author: mewling sepia sweet tailpipe

Yuge, yuge amoutns of weather related deaths in China- the waterways of the Yellow River changed course dramatically in the last 2 millennia, and climate change was rampant in China - there used to be elephants and other jungle animals living in China 2500 years ago.

Remember that the black death spread from Asia- there were deaths aplenty.

I'd find the diversion point around 400 AD actually

Around the same time, both East and West saw universalistic, solipsistic empires fall by nomadic invaders from the north.

One, after 2 centuries of disorder managed to re-establish the political tradition of the universal empire.

The other had chances to do so- notably under Justinian - but the Islamic invasions made sure that the Mediterranean would no longer be the mare nostrum but rather the demarcation line between civilization.

once there was competition between similar sized states there had to be innovation - China however saw no need to really trade with others - the periphery did not interest them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909705)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:11 PM
Author: carnelian theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909722)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:12 PM
Author: dashing federal address pisswyrm

Interesting, thanks. So you think the threat of Islam prevented the West from falling to decadence in a neo Roman empire, while China had no such rival?

Query, where do the Mongols fit into this? Didn't penetrate into Europe enough?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909728)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:20 PM
Author: mewling sepia sweet tailpipe

Mongols stopped after conquering Hungary, and their rule over Russia is now debated whether it was a "rule" or periodic raids to gather tributes every few years.

They only had structural ruling in areas where they took over existing imperial bureaucracy - Persia, China etc.

Their primary aim was China- everything else was a peripheral conquest, and they never wanted to conquer the West - it was almost happenstance that Batu made it as far as Hungary.

Even as Batu was fighting out west, in the end the main goal was China. The Southern Song, utilizing the river defenses of the Yangtze river held on for over 40 years, during one of which they defeated both the forces of Mongke (the Khan) and his half-brother Kubilai (who would later usurp the throne and break up the Mongolian empir & start the Yuan Dynasty). The Khan actually died during one of these wars, and it was only with rudimentary artillery brought from Islamic technicians from Persia that they were able to defeat China.

In the West, Batu's forces never numbered more than 20k, and I doubt these forces would be able to penetrate further than Hungary even if they wanted to. Yes, they often had ranges of orders of magnitude different from contemporary forces due to their entire-reliance on cavalry, but at the time the Holy Roman Empire was a strong force, and recent scholarship suggests that Western-style knights, if utilized correctly, were very effective against these light cavalrymen.

In hedges/forest-covered Germany, I doubt Mongols could have wreaked more havoc than say, the Magyars (ironically the very people that Mongols destroyed) did in the 8th century.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909797)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:14 PM
Author: dashing federal address pisswyrm

(also, does your theory work wrt say Japan vs. Iceland?)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909744)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: vigorous mental disorder

goddamn Mongorians!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909488)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:11 PM
Author: buff dragon



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:11 PM
Author: mewling sepia sweet tailpipe

Shitty wok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909720)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 3:12 PM
Author: Learning Disabled Motley Base Boistinker



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Date: December 13th, 2017 1:50 PM
Author: Diverse Pearl Bawdyhouse

you guys should download Meitu or some other Chinese social media, or streaming services.. they seriously all look the same.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909522)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:12 PM
Author: carnelian theater

Yeah and they way they all blend into the background like extras in a movie IRL is weird too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909726)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:00 PM
Author: sapphire balding hall

99.99% of people will never do anything innovative

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909629)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:16 PM
Author: buff dragon

you could say this for literally any group of people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909757)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:10 PM
Author: vermilion shivering hell

Hive minded insects

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909708)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:20 PM
Author: Adventurous marketing idea

Yes. The Chinese especially are extremely collectivist and want a strong central authority because this has been engrained in them through thousands of years of evolution.

For most of China's history, China was characterized by warring tribes/dynasties. Life for the average person was pretty shitty during war. The only times prosperity reigned in the region was when there was a strong central authority (resulting from a winning dynasty) that exercised strict control over various local authorities. When this did not happen, the local authorities were essentially corrupt fiefdoms, and life sucked for the average person yet again.

China also has NEVER had a period where a spirit of individualism prevailed or led to any meaningful success. There were no rugged frontiersmen.

Given this history, it's understandable to me why the Chinese are extremely deferential to a strong central authority and are collectivist as opposed to individualists. It's the only system that has ever worked for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909792)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:25 PM
Author: mewling sepia sweet tailpipe

(Guy that thought Phoenicia was in Europe)

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3724067&forum_id=2#34157363

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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: Adventurous marketing idea

(College dropout)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909863)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: mewling sepia sweet tailpipe

Great. now come back when you graduate high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3827623&forum_id=2#34909873)



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: Costumed stock car

absolutely devastating

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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: mewling sepia sweet tailpipe



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:49 PM
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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:50 PM
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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:50 PM
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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:51 PM
Author: carnelian theater



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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:56 PM
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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:48 PM
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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:23 PM
Author: sienna boltzmann

Obviously

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Date: December 13th, 2017 2:28 PM
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