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Doctor salaries = last great path to wealth
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:03 PM Author: coral public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34927920) |
Date: December 15th, 2017 2:04 PM Author: Tan Stimulating Kitty Hall ?? primary care is terribly underpaid and even procedural specialities are often in the 300-500 range, some more of course, but not always, and they have the terrible hours and time to get the degree and all that BS
the path to wealth is, and has always been, being the owner of capital
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:07 PM Author: coral public bath Wrong. Primary care can do 300k in tons of places, procedural easily 400k for low end medical to 700k+ for surgical sub spec
Compare to 5 years of biglaw ~> FED on NY scale
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:08 PM Author: Tan Stimulating Kitty Hall primary care is so woeful that congress and medicare advisors are coming up with strategies to funnel them more money, it's a crisis
maybe some can make 300K tho but averages nationally are not 300+
no one is gonna argue with you that MD > JD |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:28 PM Author: Bistre menage Except for the 60% of docs who are in fact in primary care and so make 1st year associate money for life.... Flip that coin, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928139) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:26 PM Author: Maize disrespectful place of business shrine (Guy who was bragging to xo that after ten years of shitcompliance he finally got a VP title and bump to 1st year associate money) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34929124) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 3:12 AM Author: Maize disrespectful place of business shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34933128) |
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Date: December 19th, 2017 8:58 AM Author: exhilarant azure new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34956381) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:29 PM Author: electric mood lol yeah just do 700k for insanely competitive surgical subspec when the average for even ortho is <$500k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928146) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:31 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook Any surgical subspecialty, except maybe cosmetic plastics and some ortho are really high-stress and shit hours.
Basically, if you want to be a surgeon, you better live and breathe surgery, otherwise you will just end up a bitter, burnt-out miserable shitbag paying 3 alimonies and child support.
Gen surg, trauma, vascular, cardiac/thoracic, peds, and neuro are are extremely intense fields with tough hours and lifestyle. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:33 PM Author: coral public bath Flame
Ophtho, ENT, neuro surg, breast surgeon, outpatient vascular for starters
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:40 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook You just outted yourself as a dumbass by including Neurosurgery as a lifestyle specialty. It literally has one of the worst lifestyles of any sub-specialty in medicine. Not to mention the 7-8 year post MD training requirement, the overall low success rate for many procedures, and the ridiculous malpractice environment.
The only Ophtho guys making $650k are the Lasik mills and Vitreo-Retinal guys. And none of those guys are only working 40 hours a week.
Breast surgery is one of the better lifestyle specialties because it's mostly elective, but you will still have to round on patients and take call...so not 40 hours a week.
Outpatient vascular does not make the kind of money you think, and it's mostly older, partially retired doctors who have cornered this market. Good luck trying to carve out an elective vascular practice in your first 10-15 years out of residency.
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:07 PM Author: coral public bath You are clueless about private practice neurosurg. Once you graduate and do spin, you’ve maed it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928486) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:14 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse Every spine surgeon I've met has been as miserable as it gets. To get cases, they need to see an insane number of clinic patients. Or they can be shady and operate on people who don't need operations, but that obviously won't do jack shit for their back pain, and now it'll be on them to manage their complications. Also 7 years of neurosurgery residency is like the worst month in biglaw x 84. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928529) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:14 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook You think neurosurgeons in private practice don't take call or have to cover trauma? Shit, private practice can be even worse since you might not have residents to cover for you like in an academic practice.
They just don't give you hospital privileges for nothing. You will at least have to take call on your own patients, who, in neurosurgery, are often extremely sick and have high complication rates, in addition to taking trauma and hospital call.
Also, this is in addition to what will most likely be a significant clinic and patient load you will be carrying.
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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: angry hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34953170) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:41 PM Author: exhilarant azure new version GET A GRAD CERT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928269) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:10 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook Salaried anything is never a "great path to wealth" unless it includes significant equity.
Most MDs I know are very dissatisfied with their income, even though they are top .01% of all earners, mainly because their income is directly tied to patients seen/hours worked/decreasing reimbursement rates... it doesn't really matter how much harder they work, their income potential is capped. The only MDs that are truly wealthy are those who have capitalized on the "business" of medicine... they have significant passive income from owning companies that provide medical services, surgi-centers etc. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:30 PM Author: green base associate This
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:34 PM Author: coral public bath Salary at 750k then investing is path to WEALTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928201) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:40 PM Author: Vivacious bronze ceo A busy, hard-working doctor, has his own office, specialist, surgical practice in or near-to a major urban area can reasonably and consistently bring in $1m annual revenue. Take away a bunch of that for overhead, insurance, expenses, taxes, yes. But he also has a predictable schedule outside of call and rarely if ever has to travel. And it tends to become increasingly self-sustaining the longer your practice exists as your patient base grows.
It's a very good and, at least historically, stable and sustainable life, even if it doesn't compare to the very upper echelons of legal practice as far as dollars earned. You also have the reward of, you know, generally helping people (which we all here of course understand is far less satisfying than manning the battleworks of the Fortune 500 greathouses in their eternal litigations, but still, a recompense).
The GPs are getting fucked. But the specialities are still highly lucrative. In the circles I'm in, I know a bunch of specialist physicians who are extremely happy with their career choices. Though I do tend to sense that the youngest physicians (30s) are LESS HAPPY than the more established ones, maybe because they are reading writing on the wall and anticipating that the gravy train is going to end even for the specialties at some point. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:47 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse Very few people are making serious money in medicine without working extremely hard, at a level even biglawyers cannot comprehend. A UMC lifestyle is a horrible payoff for working nonstop for 36-hour shifts, in 100+ hour weeks, while getting berated the entire time by surgical attendings. They do this deep into their 30s and then start at ground zero while trying to build a practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928324) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: Vivacious bronze ceo An established physician with a specialty surgical practice is not working non-stop 36 hour shifts or 100 hour weeks. You're conflating the shitty schedule of some wet-behind-the-ears ER doc with the lifestyle of a neurosurgeon or ophthalmologist or urologist. In my experience, to achieve the sort of lifestyle I'm describing, they are working hours that may be comparable to an attorney in biglaw (but without the travel and with tremendously more schedule predictability). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928352) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:55 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse I was referring to the residency/fellowship training, which occur during the prime years of life and incur massive opportunity costs. My roommate was a neurosurgery resident and he easily pushed 110+ hour weeks and would log 80. When he was on overnight call, he'd do a normal day shift, be working the entire time overnight, then perform his next day's shift without any intervening breaks. So this worked itself out to a 40 hour shift every week. I've heard urology can be similar during residency. ER schedules are much chiller in quantity, they just fuck with your circadian cycle since they flip from days to nights every couple days. Ophtho I hear is pretty relaxed, but Medicare cuts have capped them at 300k. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: Vivacious bronze ceo We're speaking across each other then because I'm not commenting on the residency portion, which is of course definitely "challenging" -- no disagreement from me. That said, I think most people know what they're getting into when they decide to go into medicine and then particularly when they decide to further specialize. I don't think it's a bad outcome to emerge in your late 20s / early 30s set up to bring in a 7-figure revenue base if you're willing to establish your own practice.
Not sure what you mean ophthalmologists when you write ophthalmologists are "capped at 300k." Congress in general is being aggressive on efforts to cap fees toward all aspects of the physician spectrum but there are lots of ophthalmologists with surgical practices making a lot more than that. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:05 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse Ophthos outside of retina kings are doing shit. I'm talking starting salaries in the 100s shit. It's no trivial matter to start your own practice as a new grad, you are extremely likely to fail given the massive overhead and lack of negotiating power. Groups is what everyone joins, except in ophtho they have a tendency to pay you a shit salary and tease you with partnership promises that never come to fruition. Then, they push you out and steal your patient base. Maybe my perspective is too cynical, but yours is orders of magnitude too rosy |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:07 PM Author: Vivacious bronze ceo See my response to your other comment. I guess we're just seeing different ends of the spectrum -- it's a wide profession. I don't tend to deal with a lot of physicians who are "on salary"; most of the doctors I know have their own practices. That said, I've never heard of an M.D. ophthalmologist with a surgical practice (not optometrist) being offered a salary in the 100s; that seems bizarrely low. I also know plenty of physicians who don't join groups or stick themselves into a hospital system -- there are lots and lots of physicians who are operating their own practices in an entrepreneurial manner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928489) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:11 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/4hachh/is_anesthesiology_as_much_doom_and_gloom_as_sdn/d2oqgrn/ read poasts by "downloadacar". in tough markets, ophtho salaries are SPS. and none of these applicants can "just do start a practice". they'd be outcompeted and left on the street with a bloodied rectum |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:09 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook Ophtho has been hit very hard in the last 10-15 years. Not the specialty it once was.
If you just want to do clinic and prescribe glasses 40 hours a week, good luck ever breaking $200k, and most likely $175K which isn't bad money for the hours, but it's not that much when you consider the opportunity cost.
The really highly paid guys in ophtho are retina specialists and occulo-plastics which are very surgical intensive fields. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:18 PM Author: Vivacious bronze ceo I assume we're talking surgical as a prerequisite. I agree with you 100% that if you're not doing surgery it's a whole different (less lucrative) ballgame. Then again, was it ever otherwise? I don't know if non-surgical practices were ever able to pull significant earnings.
Retina specialists make a lot; but you can still make a lot just doing cataracts if you have a geriatric patient base. Corrective surgery is also a great revenue stream. I agree ophthalmology isn't like it was in the 70s and 80s when they were still doing in-patient IOLs and the money was just pouring in (almost comically so) but it's still a highly compensated specialty. This is kinda sorta off-track at this point; I don't think it alters my basic point though it's a good conversation. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:21 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook I don't disagree, but my issue is more with OPs assertion that you can have any type of surgical practice (even an elective one) and still work 40 hours a week and easily pull in over $500k.
Any surgeon making that kind of money is working hard and the guys that are making that type of money with those hours worked are in the top 1% of the profession.
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:47 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook Yes, there are opportunities for docs who aren't tied to a specific area and have some drive and business sense. However, most MDs want to practice in areas where everyone else wants to live i.e. big coastal cities, where the market is severely over-saturated in many fields, and salaries are greatly depressed.
Also, just like law school, medical school and residency teaches you nothing about how to run a business or a practice, which means many doctors are absolutely horrible businessmen and managers who don't know the first thing about managing overhead and making payroll. Many opt to become salaried employees of an HMO, large specialty practice or hospital instead of going into true private practice. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:54 PM Author: Vivacious bronze ceo Right, that was one of the points I was going to add, which is that it's crucial in the scenario I describe above to be willing to establish your own practice. If not, you're permanently capping your income potential outside of some real edge cases (become the director of the hospital / med school sort of shit). And I do see a lot of the younger physicians especially who don't seem to have any sort of interest in the business end of things. It's a different dynamic from law where, generally, the expected outcome is better from a dollars perspective if you're able to persist in the biglaw environment vs. hanging your own shingle (there are other differences too obv) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928389) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:56 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse Economies of scale have made hanging your own shingle next to impossible. Insurers will fuck over any docs without negotiating power. When you talk about private practice now, you're referring to massive groups. So you might own a piece of the pie, but it's nothing like having your own practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928410) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:06 PM Author: Vivacious bronze ceo This isn't how it works. Even private practice physicians will still belong to a group for purposes of insurance contracting (usually through their affiliated hospitals out of which they're conducting surgery) and that group will be the one dealing with the insurance majors. We're not talking about Dr. Johnny Roscoe out in the boondocks with his shingleshack who just takes what he'll get from Aetna and is grateful for it.
Your experiences with the medical profession just seem to run contrary to my own. Maybe we're seeing different aspects of the spectrum. I think you paint an unduly pessimistic picture of it. That said, as I've said, I do sense that even those who are currently experiencing "good times" are very concerned about the future and the prospect of a stronger leveling of incomes if medicine moves toward a national model. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:10 PM Author: Aromatic hell "WEALTH"? no, not even close. being UMC sure i guess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34927979) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: Bright dysfunction kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34927997) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:13 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928002) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:38 PM Author: exhilarant azure new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928227) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:39 PM Author: chest-beating ebony locus main people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928236) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:14 PM Author: rose volcanic crater feces at the upper end there is a lot more money in law than there is in medicine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928011) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:22 PM Author: Bistre menage Meh, I was and am a middling lawyer and lazy as fuck and 10 years out of law school I somehow make $275k a year and have an MD title at a bank you would sell your first born to work at. Had I done medicine my life would almost certainly be shittier what with the 500k in debt and school and residency until you are freaking 30 thing. No thanks.
The trick to life is getting very good at gaming interviews and meeting people. I got every job I ever got through 180 as fuck networking and my ability to spin convincing BS. So maybe I'm not such a middling lawyer after all.... |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:32 PM Author: coral public bath With medicine, you could be 650k 40 hours a week surgical sub specialist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928183) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:34 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook WTF?
Almost no surgical subspecialty is a 40 hour a week job. And if you did work a legit 40 hours a week you aren't going to be making $650k.
The only people able to make that kind of cash working that few hours are stars with established, niche, mostly elective practices, which is something that 99% of doctors will never be able to achieve.
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:37 PM Author: coral public bath Difficult but possible
Ortho hand, breast, ortho/neuro spine. If people only knew |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:51 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook Ortho hand and spine do a significant amount of trauma coverage.
The most senior and established practitioners in those specialties may have nice lifestyles, but it takes years and years to build that kind of practice.
I assure you that any junior ortho hand or spine specialist is taking plenty of hospital and trauma call in return for their hospital privileges.
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:59 PM Author: coral public bath 5K to carry pager per night in chill setup for spine guys - guess again! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928433) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook Ok bro, good talk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928454) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:39 PM Author: elite garrison queen of the night Lmao you make $275k as an MD. What a loser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928242) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:47 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928327) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:17 PM Author: Bespoke useless home That was my thought. When I was offered a CCO / MD combo at a Global-15 bank, the comp offer was 750k base + 100% bonus. Maybe it was slightly higher than the norm because of the CCO responsibility for the private equity side of things, but pretty fucking sure all the "my home in the Hamptons" types I met through the process were 7 figure annual bros. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34929038) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:56 PM Author: elite garrison queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34953180) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:25 PM Author: Excitant stead mental disorder I met a primary care doc a couple months ago who owned a couple of nurse practitioners, he was making 400k working around 50hrs a week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928108) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:35 PM Author: Flatulent Athletic Conference Property There are literally countless routes to wealth and riches, but xo beta fags limit themselves to "professional misery" all for the prestige. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928211) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:37 PM Author: Boyish area personal credit line LOL at your huge malpractice premiums. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928221) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:38 PM Author: impertinent state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928226) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:09 PM Author: Cheese-eating gaming laptop point CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928499) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:39 PM Author: exhilarant azure new version Nobody is getting wealthy making $300k a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928233) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:44 PM Author: Maroon aphrodisiac tank Wtf is this "only 500k" flame, you can't make that in any profession anywhere outside of NY/LA/SF without owning the means of production. A Doctor in Newport News, VA can make 500k and own vast tracts of land, and slaves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928303) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:25 PM Author: Orchid Galvanic National Security Agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928603) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:47 PM Author: ruddy talented spot windowlicker Honestly, I think starting a blue collar biz is the current best path. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928318) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:52 PM Author: erotic rehab reading party ... such as a doctor's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928371) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Vivacious bronze ceo (Lord Belfour on his Gloucestershire Estate) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928640) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:34 PM Author: erotic rehab reading party even the lowliest, brokest shitlawyer has this consolation over doctors -- that he works with words for a living like an aristocrat, and not with his hands like some medical blue-collar petit bourgeois prole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928657) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:53 PM Author: coral public bath Yeah, like those make 750k year in and out like subspecialty surgeons
LJL |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:56 PM Author: ruddy talented spot windowlicker A plumbing business grosses millions with just a few employees if you’re skilled and then you can sell it for much more than an a “practice”. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928407) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:59 PM Author: Maroon aphrodisiac tank Every single decent employee is going to want to leave you and start his own business. Every single one. It's not like employing cowardly office wagecucks who are terrified of risk or resume gaps and will say "yes sir on the double" when you send passive aggressive snippy emails. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928432) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:19 PM Author: ruddy talented spot windowlicker You’re imagining the best of us as the employees. The avg person I hire was a c student in high school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928562) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:53 PM Author: Maroon aphrodisiac tank It makes perfect sense that this would be the case but I would argue otherwise. No barrier to entry at all plus there are 500 Scumbags bidding every job against you. But imagine having a busy auto repair shop or something, and not sucking at it, there'd be a bunch of money in that. The problem is that it's the "norm" to have to bust your ass and nothing is ever easy/chill/predictable. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:58 PM Author: ruddy talented spot windowlicker Imagine if every personable person in the entire starting class at Harvard decided to apprentice in a trade instead. They’d end their careers as the leading company in whatever geographic area they started. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928421) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:03 PM Author: Orchid Galvanic National Security Agency No, this is clearly wrong. To make it to the top level you must be more than "personable" and smart. Credentials and other soft factors matter. It shouldn't be this way and it isn't in places like Germany and Switzerland, but we aren't at the point this is the case in the U.S. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928461) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:20 PM Author: ruddy talented spot windowlicker Lol, you’re telling me the dopes advertising on local TV have credentials? Even if they’ve been bought out by PE, the actual founder did not go to Princeton.
The big dawg in my area is “Call John, Get Moore. John Moore.” |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:27 PM Author: Orchid Galvanic National Security Agency Talking about larger companies. I guarantee you a hardworking alpha 115-120 IQ guy with an MBA from state U will beat out the "personable" 140 IQ guy without a degree in most corporate environments. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928615) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: mind-boggling vermilion sandwich whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34929000) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 6:46 PM Author: ruddy talented spot windowlicker I am not talking about wage cucks. I’m talking about starting a 2-3 person business and growing due to superior performance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34930225) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:59 PM Author: erotic rehab reading party "but MOM, i'd have to butht my ATH and nothingth ever eathy" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928430) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 2:59 PM Author: Orchid Galvanic National Security Agency My wife is starting a job soon where she will be making $175 an hour working from home doing tele-medicine. She can pick her own hours and work anywhere in the country. I know some of her friends that did emergency medicine in Austin are making nearly $400K a year for three 12 hour days a week. It is fucking insane how much doctors get paid. Plus they aren't tied to shitty high COL areas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928427) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:00 PM Author: coral public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928438) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:01 PM Author: laughsome abode travel guidebook Emergency medicine can be cool, because it's shift work, and the hourly rates are very good. But a lot of EM docs still burn out because of the monotony of the job, and the fact they still have to work Thanksgiving and Christmas even in their 50s.
Overall though seems like one of the better specialties. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: coral public bath Every doc works holidays. ER is highly paid and chill. Best lifestyle in all of medicine excepts RADS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928456) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:08 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse They have the highest burnout rates in medicine. Their entire job is them getting shit all over by consultants and they're constantly doing horrible schedules like working a day on the 15th and a night on the 16th. This becomes unsustainable when they get older and they burn out. Surgeons can wind down the volume of their practice or retread into academia, but there's no exit opps for EM. That being said, it's still a dope field on a $$/hour basis and the relatively low barriers to entry (easy to match). But I wouldn't call it a lifestyle field at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928491) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:10 PM Author: Orchid Galvanic National Security Agency Yeah, the shift in schedule blows, but I could do handle having 16 days off a month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928504) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:50 PM Author: shimmering orchestra pit LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928821) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:07 PM Author: Orchid Galvanic National Security Agency ER doc would be one of my top choices if I could go back in time and pick a career again. They don't have to worry about patients after their shifts are over. It is for outgoing sociopaths who don't actually care about medicine or patients.
Seniority matters in medicine and I guarantee the junior docs are getting the holiday shifts. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:09 PM Author: coral public bath Just do locums for big bucks. SDN is all over there on the ER forums (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928500) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 7:10 PM Author: shimmering orchestra pit Locuming isn't easy man. If you have a bad day that agency won't ever hire you again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34930365) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse ER is gonna get massively undercut by midlevels. Your wife is a dermatologist, no? That's not a typical outcome by any means. Every med student would sell a kidney to be a dermatologist, but only 1% of them maek it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928453) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:08 PM Author: Orchid Galvanic National Security Agency Not a dermatologist, but obviously another lifestyle specialty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928493) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:02 PM Author: sick casino Pro sports, actually (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928459) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:06 PM Author: soul-stirring aqua lay milk Non-hard specialties are terrible salarywise in urban areas but quite nice if you're willing to live in Texarkana or whatever
As for neurosurgeons or whatever, that's like saying law pays well because partners are rich. It's the very top selection of strivers+type A+sociopaths in a competitive field |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:13 PM Author: Orchid Galvanic National Security Agency I met one Neurosurgeon through my wife and he was fucking miserable and wished he could have done an ER residency and be done in three years. It is the pinnacle of medicine, but holy shit do their lives suck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928522) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:35 PM Author: erotic rehab reading party anyway, the best lifestyle is enjoyed by THIS DOCTOR:
https://www.ncnp.org/journal-of-medicine/2021-usc-cements-epic-party-status-with-meth-head-ecstasy-popping-medical-school-dean.html |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:38 PM Author: glittery office indirect expression doctors are even more arrogant and entitled than lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928691) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:41 PM Author: shimmering orchestra pit The posters ITT pretending to understand the hospital and medical system are hilarious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928720) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:46 PM Author: spectacular lake masturbator boistinker Even the GPs still do well IF they can accept life in a low COL unfashionable area. MANY cannot and will try to live in the nearest big city and reverse commute, creating a bizarre situation which burns cash and reduces the benefit of the job itself. Hence these stories about GPs who can’t make ends meet etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928762) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:47 PM Author: erotic rehab reading party can you link to some good stories? always up for schadenfreude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928774) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 3:48 PM Author: shimmering orchestra pit Dood you have no life as a rural GP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928790) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:24 PM Author: Bespoke useless home Going to disagree on that one. When my uncle was a Pede in a small town that had a couple of BigCo. factories/food processing facilities there he made stupid $$$ and was part of the "social elite". For him that meant tennis at the country club with BigCo. execs and basically being able to do anything short of murdering someone and being teflon because he was first name basis with all the cops/government bros. It was always 180 to visit him because everyone fucking loved him since he treated all their kids; he never got charged for anything anywhere we went.
My dad stupidly didn't take an offer that a rural (but scenic / resort-business type of rural) community offered him as a Fam physician. At the time they flew him out, wined and dined w/ the mayor + head of the hospital, and in the late 90's were offering him $200k+ to move there and walk into a turnkey situation where he wouldn't have to deal with insurance/admin bullshit. Socially, would have probably been pretty awesome given that this location was a outdoors'y tourist destination (e.g. skiing, MTB, etc). |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 6:58 PM Author: shimmering orchestra pit I wouldn't call that rural man. I'm talking about towns with populations under 30k and not resort-type of areas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34930285) |
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Date: December 19th, 2017 8:59 AM Author: exhilarant azure new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34956383) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: adventurous theatre faggot firefighter Lol at those who think doing a desirable sub-specialty is achievable. Might as well say just make partner in biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34928965) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:26 PM Author: rusted meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34929123) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 12:50 AM Author: Excitant stead mental disorder The competition is intense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34932597) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:18 PM Author: maniacal library idk, I've made 2m in crypto this year. with credentials that no american medical school would allow me to enter. u? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34929052) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: Cheese-eating gaming laptop point post of the year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34929065) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 12:50 AM Author: Excitant stead mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34932598) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 6:58 PM Author: Concupiscible Big-titted Trump Supporter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34930291) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 1:28 AM Author: Razzmatazz voyeur 180
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Date: December 16th, 2017 11:52 PM Author: Razzmatazz voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34939640) |
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Date: December 18th, 2017 9:57 PM Author: hairraiser bat-shit-crazy den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34953186) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 4:21 PM Author: Alcoholic crackhouse one of my good friends from high school is a doctor. not particularly bright, he partied his way through a mediocre ug, got a mediocre MCAT score, copped a DO at a med school I never heard of, and is now making 370K as a first year doctor in Manhattan working 40 hours a week.
me, on the other hand, "did everything right" in high school and went to HYPS ug, CCN law, got ITE-pwned and now toiling away in NYC small-law making 190K a year as a 6th year.
so if you ask me, yes, being a doctor does seem like a credited path to wealth. |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 6:56 PM Author: ivory therapy senate Doing medicine gives you job security with a comfortable salary pretty much anywhere in the US. However, note that a "comfortable salary" if you have a ton of loans and live in an area with high cost of living and an oversupply of doctors becomes increasingly uncomfortable, though.
To get "wealthy" in medicine, you are likely some combination of (1) working your ass off, (2) striking out on your own, (3) working in the middle of nowhere, or (4) so subspecialized that you can demand a higher salary, and this is going to require a lot of (1) to get there |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 6:58 PM Author: Concupiscible Big-titted Trump Supporter No. Owning your own business (who cares, maid service, auto detailing, real estate brokerage) and/or crypto is tcr. Following the traditional path to 'wealth' (law, medicine, consulting, etc.) doesn't work anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34930289) |
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Date: December 15th, 2017 6:59 PM Author: Puce Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34930294) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 1:38 AM Author: misunderstood yellow rigpig HHMMMM maybe thats why model minorities flock to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3830197&forum_id=2#34932832) |