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People are ditching Subway, and franchisees expect a wave of store closures (NYT

People are ditching Subway, and franchisees expect a wave of...
sable turdskin toaster
  12/28/17
I go to Subway on occasion, but Jimmy John's is much better.
razzle property
  12/28/17
JJ doesn't have customized subs created to order by certfied...
sable turdskin toaster
  12/28/17
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soul-stirring striped hyena gunner
  12/28/17
TRUMP ISSTH KILLING THE ARTSTH
cracking metal pit
  12/28/17
CR
iridescent fighting giraffe
  12/28/17
Absolutely insane that an average idiotic American doesn't v...
Stirring Cyan Forum
  12/28/17
cr. quiznos going under was nothing short of a national tra...
rambunctious multi-colored parlour
  12/28/17
Quiznos is still around
Mewling disturbing indian lodge
  12/28/17
barely and may as well not be. they used to be all over.
rambunctious multi-colored parlour
  12/28/17
The decline of quiznos can be traced directly back to their ...
glittery brindle faggot firefighter immigrant
  12/28/17
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Gaped idea he suggested
  12/28/17
they had that weird commercial with the deformed cartoon ani...
electric knife
  12/28/17
for me it was the goddamn bangladeshis. they're the last peo...
Nofapping big rehab
  12/28/17
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Lilac halford feces
  12/29/17
torpedos were TTT as fuck
rambunctious multi-colored parlour
  12/28/17
Also rats as spokespeople was a poor choice
saffron learning disabled round eye windowlicker
  12/28/17
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amber abnormal cuck
  12/28/17
lmao
diverse corn cake potus
  12/28/17
Probably the worst (or greatest) ad of all time. I def star...
iridescent fighting giraffe
  12/28/17
Millennials are killing shitty chain pedo sandwiches OH NO
cracking metal pit
  12/28/17
People are tired of paying for 12 inch loafs of dogshit? Odd...
Mewling disturbing indian lodge
  12/28/17
11, actually
soul-stirring striped hyena gunner
  12/28/17
(Shitlaw Steve)
cracking metal pit
  12/28/17
(millennial "male" paying $12 for a 350 cal shrew ...
sable turdskin toaster
  12/28/17
Instead they pay 2x for the same old dogshit but repackaged.
Impertinent Pink Persian
  12/28/17
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vibrant house
  12/28/17
They’re going to be fucked when chain migration ends. No che...
Khaki Kink-friendly Box Office Clown
  12/28/17
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bright whorehouse
  12/28/17
But we must open our doors to immigrants who can own 50 of t...
unholy misunderstood voyeur
  12/28/17
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Irradiated Step-uncle's House
  12/28/17
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Insecure stimulating resort keepsake machete
  12/28/17
Bizarre
iridescent fighting giraffe
  12/28/17
Given the number of quality delis in the NYC metro area, I'm...
bright whorehouse
  12/28/17
Subway is like 50% cheaper. But otherwise credited re qualit...
Provocative locale
  12/28/17
I always wonder about this as well. In Philadelphia area the...
Vivacious corner cuckoldry
  12/28/17
it's because they know what they have and they know what to ...
Olive kitchen
  12/28/17
if you grew up in the NYC metro area you know what an Italia...
bright whorehouse
  12/28/17
it still ain't uniform. krok or whatever makes this point in...
Olive kitchen
  12/28/17
it is really fucking close. way moreso that just about any t...
bright whorehouse
  12/28/17
Kroc
iridescent fighting giraffe
  12/28/17
There are a lot of under/working-class in NYC that won't spe...
Provocative locale
  12/28/17
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Gaped idea he suggested
  12/28/17
because they see Subway marketing literally every day of the...
galvanic ape orchestra pit
  12/28/17
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glittery brindle faggot firefighter immigrant
  12/28/17
I say this as an Indian - Subway lost the plot with so many ...
passionate tripping stag film
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Cerebral Demanding Chapel
  12/29/17
Good riddance, same with malls and every other shitty mass m...
Chocolate incel
  12/28/17
i would too, but the problem is they're getting replaced by ...
Gaped idea he suggested
  12/28/17
Eh, that's how it's always been. Chipotle was pretty hip whe...
Provocative locale
  12/28/17
"Today, people are ever more educated on nutrition, foo...
Gaped idea he suggested
  12/28/17
These "business analysts" have kept saying people ...
sable turdskin toaster
  12/28/17
nah bro my non-GMO organic locally-sourced cupcake is defini...
Gaped idea he suggested
  12/28/17
my mom bought Froot Loops, with marshmallows, for my kids. ...
galvanic ape orchestra pit
  12/28/17
lol
Irradiated Step-uncle's House
  12/28/17
This is why owning a franchise IS FUCKING FLAME. If you b...
glittery brindle faggot firefighter immigrant
  12/28/17
DD and Mcd's print money
Nofapping big rehab
  12/28/17
yep, but for McDs, you already need to be a multi millionair...
adventurous sinister haunted graveyard
  12/28/17
ok for comparison i knew subway was a total GC scam more ...
Nofapping big rehab
  12/28/17
the SBA specifically blacklisted Subway for a while.
mauve painfully honest pisswyrm lodge
  12/28/17
Lmao
Nofapping big rehab
  12/28/17
that is particularly rough given that they will guarantee lo...
lemon arousing international law enforcement agency community account
  12/28/17
Partly true. Franchising has its benefits. The traffic in a ...
passionate tripping stag film
  12/28/17
>The traffic in a location of a well-know franchise will ...
mauve painfully honest pisswyrm lodge
  12/28/17
Yes and no. Most franchises are flame. Subway, as I've dis...
mauve painfully honest pisswyrm lodge
  12/28/17
i would love to read more of your screeds on this stuff.
bright whorehouse
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concupiscible alpha
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Cerebral Demanding Chapel
  12/29/17
Their meatball sub is 180 but I would never eat anything els...
Flickering Hairraiser Prole
  12/28/17
wait people are tired of paying $10+ to watch some pakistani...
sticky base wrinkle
  12/28/17
potbelly running shit
pearly multi-billionaire university
  12/28/17
potbelly sucks shit
rambunctious multi-colored parlour
  12/28/17
leans into mic
Spruce wild kitty den
  12/28/17
Fuck Subway. I haven’t been in one in 5 years. You get w...
Insecure stimulating resort keepsake machete
  12/28/17
LOL at the fucking nazis itt complaining about Pakistanis. ...
Trip maroon kitty cat legal warrant
  12/28/17
(Pakistani)
Gaped idea he suggested
  12/28/17
go blow up a bus
Beady-eyed pungent depressive
  12/28/17
stfu, you Pashto pos
Nofapping big rehab
  12/28/17
No one wants a turdskin Muslim anywhere near their food. Sor...
fluffy territorial address
  12/28/17
Queer comparison with sweetgreen was also the first thing I ...
Up-to-no-good Cowardly Dilemma
  12/28/17
I would invest in pot belly's over subway
Hideous Angry Brunch Reading Party
  12/28/17
I like Potbelly, but it's not comparable with Subway because...
Up-to-no-good Cowardly Dilemma
  12/28/17
I would happily eat Subway every single day.
iridescent fighting giraffe
  12/28/17
jersey mikes is way better for not that much more price. lik...
Razzle-dazzle Opaque Spot
  12/28/17
When I was in high school and a subway sandwich = 1 hour of ...
iridescent fighting giraffe
  12/28/17
"They can't just toss a bunch of stuff on random bread ...
Motley meetinghouse
  12/28/17
Posted this before, but the decline of Subway can really be ...
At-the-ready hairy legs
  12/28/17
enjoy five cubic feet of tasteless styrofoam bread covering ...
Boyish bat shit crazy theatre boltzmann
  12/28/17


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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:43 AM
Author: sable turdskin toaster

People are ditching Subway, and franchisees expect a wave of store closures — here's what went wrong

Subway's US store count fell by more than 900 this year.

Franchisees tell Business Insider that hundreds more stores are in danger of closure and that up to one-third of Subway locations in the US are unprofitable.

Subway's crisis is linked to many factors: changing trends, a disgraced spokesman, internal conflict, and intense discounts.

"They can't just toss a bunch of stuff on random bread products and expect it to impress an increasingly discerning public," one marketing executive says.

Subway is in serious trouble.

The world's largest restaurant chain is being left behind as consumers seek healthier, fresher food and as competitors offer them better options. Franchisees are protesting its promotions, and some are complaining about the quality of its products.

The chain is also struggling with oversaturation and internal conflict, making a quick turnaround difficult and more store closures likely in 2018.

The sandwich chain's US store count has dropped by 909 this year, almost three times as many locations as the year before. Subway has 25,835 shops open and operating in the US, according to a representative, compared with 26,744 at the end of 2016.

But this year could just be the tip of the iceberg for Subway's closures.

Business Insider spoke with three franchisees from different regions of the US about the state of the chain. They all say others are bracing themselves for more bad news and speculating on the state of the business.

Citing internal conversations and national sales numbers, one estimated that up to one-third of Subway's locations were unprofitable.

Another cited conversations with Subway's development agents — franchisees responsible for developing an entire region — who are speculating that many more closings are on the way.

All the franchisees spoke on the condition of anonymity because of their relationship with the company. Subway is not publicly traded, so it doesn't have to disclose much of its financial details.

Last week, the New York Post reported that roughly 400 franchisees were protesting the chain's plan to bring back the $5 footlong deal. On Monday, Subway's head of North American marketing, Karlin Linhardt, resigned from the company.

And traffic has fallen 25% over the past five years, the Post reported, citing an internal memo it obtained.

Subway said it was "realigning markets to ensure the right Subway restaurants are in the right locations," remodeling restaurants, introducing new products, and refining operations. A spokesman wouldn't comment on the number of store closures expected in 2018.

But despite Subway's efforts, recent problems at the company suggest an uphill battle.

"The brand is tired," said Joel Libava, a franchise consultant. "The employees even look tired."

How Subway got stale

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A redesigned Subway store. Courtesy of Subway

Experts and insiders say Subway has struggled to keep up with trends in recent years.

Subway once advertised itself as a fresh, healthier alternative to chains such as McDonald's. Now, however, even some franchisees say it's falling short.

"Years ago, we ordered local produce daily," a franchisee who owns two locations told Business Insider. "They forced us to stop doing that."

Instead, the franchisee said, produce is delivered once a week — twice if sales are especially high.

"By the end of the week ... the lettuce is just a massive problem," she said, describing its taste after a few days as "shredded paper."

"I can't eat the lettuce, and that's a problem, and I've told them," she said. "They're just not listening."

The franchisee said the company's reliance on specific suppliers and refusal to entertain the idea of adding fresher options was especially frustrating as customers demand cleaner labels and higher-quality food.

In a statement to Business Insider, Subway said it worked with more than 100 family farms and suppliers in the US to help make sure its restaurants have fresh produce. But the company would not say whether shipments were delivered only once or twice a week.

"Today, people are ever more educated on nutrition, food sourcing, and ethical, holistic business models," Sara Bamossy, the chief strategy officer at the ad agency Pitch, told Business Insider. "To create or to rekindle loyalty and sales, it is not enough to label something as 'natural,' and it's not enough to be affordably priced."

Complicating Subway's desired brand perception is the proliferation of fast-casual upstarts in the past decade. In 2017, few think of a Subway sandwich as a fresh or trendy option when they could get something like a salad from Sweetgreen, a growing chain that says it has fresh fruits and vegetables delivered daily.

While some sandwich rivals have managed impressive growth through innovation — Arby's adding gyros to the menu, for example — Subway's sandwich lineup hasn't seen any showy changes as sales have slumped in recent years. Most of its new products have been either antibiotic-free updates to existing menu items or pretty standard sandwiches.

What's more, as grocery chains increasingly add takeaway options, freshly prepared sandwiches are becoming ubiquitous. Subway went from a staple for health-conscious Americans to forgettable.

Subway needs "to step up and really do something game-changing," Libava said.

Bringing back the $5 footlong deal — which Subway retired in 2016 to customer fury — is a good start, he said, to persuade people to visit stores. But it's a first step.

"Do something! Get on TV with some really fresh-looking stuff — the lunch meats are just nasty-looking," he said, adding that Subway's food quality is better than it looks.

Then there's Jared Fogle, the chain's former spokesman.

Fogle is serving a nearly 16-year prison sentence after pleading guilty to paying for sex with minors and possessing child pornography. Subway cut ties with him in 2015 but has since failed to find a replacement with as much impact.

The chain's attempts to turn around business after Fogle's guilty plea have, in some ways, complicated problems instead. Some franchisees have rebelled against the many deep discounts the chain has rolled out to boost traffic.

Even the Subway franchisee who created the iconic $5 footlong deal in 2003 says he doesn't like the direction the chain is going.

"Once you keep pushing a low price point in the minds of the consumer, it's hard to sell sandwiches for what they're really worth," Stuart Frankel told Restaurant Business.

While the deal has its detractors, other franchisees say that it's necessary to bring in customers and that Subway has bigger issues it needs to address.

With 25,835 locations in the US, Subway is a behemoth. For comparison, McDonald's has about 14,000 locations in the US and 37,000 worldwide.

For years, Subway has seemed more invested in opening locations than making sure stores can increase sales. Subway would sign off on franchisees opening locations near existing stores. The chain would get more money in franchise fees, but franchisees would end up competing against one another for sales.

"I feel their concerns 10 years ago was just opening up locations," the franchisee with two locations said. Fred DeLuca, a Subway founder, "was obsessed with having the most locations, and he achieved it," she said.

"We had people open up on all sides of us," she continued, adding, "That was definitely a problem."

Making significant changes across a chain this large is a process — one that can be made even more difficult by conflict within the privately held company.

Earlier this year, Peter Buck, a Subway founder and owner, told the Post he thought the company should open more sub-brands — an idea Subway publicly rejected in a statement.

"Subway is in the midst of a massive transformation, and change of this size takes time," a representative for the company told Business Insider in a statement last week. "Our goal is to strengthen the Subway brand in every market around the world to give Subway franchisees the greatest opportunity to successfully grow their businesses."

The chain is rolling out a new store design and remodeling locations across the US — a game plan some franchisees say has so far failed to produce results. Subway is also trying to catch up with competitors like Starbucks with an upcoming digitally focused loyalty program.

Experts say Subway needs to double down on quality — and fast.

"Subway needs to get back in touch with their roots — freshly baked bread and fresh ingredients assembled with care," said Travis York, the CEO of the creative agency GYK Antler. "These offerings are not only genuine but also different from the competition."

He added: "They can't just toss a bunch of stuff on random bread products and expect it to impress an increasingly discerning public."

However, the restaurant industry is increasingly targeting bargain shoppers as McDonald's prepares to roll out its new dollar menu. And Subway's customers have been demanding deals.

The return of the $5 footlong may be a Band-Aid solution, but it also could help get people in the door during a period of plummeting traffic.

Franchisees say they aren't optimistic about Subway's corporate offices pushing for a necessary, bold change without being forced.

"This year, it's going to be more" locations shutting down, one franchisee said. "There's not a connection, I feel, with the demographics and the target."

Subway is fighting a battle on several fronts. It is possible the chain could make a comeback — but hundreds of stores are likely to shutter as casualties along the way.

"Companies and people don't do things in general unless they're in pain," Libava said. But now, as hundreds of Subway locations close, "maybe there's enough pain."

http://www.businessinsider.com/subways-closes-stores-spirals-downwards-2017-12?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=auddev-test643

lol @ these cucks suggesting "Sweetgreen" as an alternative to SUBWAY (the POTUS of fast-casual). That's like saying "why have a McDonalds hamburger when you can go the Ruth Chris and have a STEAK?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025084)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:48 AM
Author: razzle property

I go to Subway on occasion, but Jimmy John's is much better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025119)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:53 AM
Author: sable turdskin toaster

JJ doesn't have customized subs created to order by certfied sandwich artists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025161)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: soul-stirring striped hyena gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025174)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:00 AM
Author: cracking metal pit

TRUMP ISSTH KILLING THE ARTSTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025211)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:31 PM
Author: iridescent fighting giraffe

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027404)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:49 AM
Author: Stirring Cyan Forum

Absolutely insane that an average idiotic American doesn't value quality ingredients on top of piping hot fresh baked bread.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025132)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:51 AM
Author: rambunctious multi-colored parlour

cr. quiznos going under was nothing short of a national tragedy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025144)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:06 AM
Author: Mewling disturbing indian lodge

Quiznos is still around

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025243)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:18 AM
Author: rambunctious multi-colored parlour

barely and may as well not be. they used to be all over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025313)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: glittery brindle faggot firefighter immigrant

The decline of quiznos can be traced directly back to their ad campaign implying that their "sandwich artists" were fucking the ovens.

I am not sure wtf they were thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LQpRQh2KSQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025424)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:44 AM
Author: Gaped idea he suggested



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:46 AM
Author: electric knife

they had that weird commercial with the deformed cartoon animals singing too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7VnBZ_k98

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025595)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:50 AM
Author: Nofapping big rehab

for me it was the goddamn bangladeshis. they're the last people i want to buy food from

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025626)



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Date: December 29th, 2017 1:53 PM
Author: Lilac halford feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35035260)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: rambunctious multi-colored parlour

torpedos were TTT as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025867)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 1:44 PM
Author: saffron learning disabled round eye windowlicker

Also rats as spokespeople was a poor choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026541)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 2:43 PM
Author: amber abnormal cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027086)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: diverse corn cake potus

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027128)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:19 PM
Author: iridescent fighting giraffe

Probably the worst (or greatest) ad of all time. I def started going more because of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027318)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:54 AM
Author: cracking metal pit

Millennials are killing shitty chain pedo sandwiches OH NO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025168)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:55 AM
Author: Mewling disturbing indian lodge

People are tired of paying for 12 inch loafs of dogshit? Odd case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025171)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: soul-stirring striped hyena gunner

11, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025176)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: cracking metal pit

(Shitlaw Steve)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025183)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: sable turdskin toaster

(millennial "male" paying $12 for a 350 cal shrew salad at Sweetgreen)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025184)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: Impertinent Pink Persian

Instead they pay 2x for the same old dogshit but repackaged.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025191)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:02 AM
Author: vibrant house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025225)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 10:57 AM
Author: Khaki Kink-friendly Box Office Clown

They’re going to be fucked when chain migration ends. No cheap Pakistani family labor to staff the stores with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025187)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: bright whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025213)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:00 AM
Author: unholy misunderstood voyeur

But we must open our doors to immigrants who can own 50 of these fine establishments

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025201)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:59 AM
Author: Irradiated Step-uncle's House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025710)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Insecure stimulating resort keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025954)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:34 PM
Author: iridescent fighting giraffe

Bizarre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027431)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: bright whorehouse

Given the number of quality delis in the NYC metro area, I'm always legit shocked when anyone chooses to eat at Subway of all places

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025218)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: Provocative locale

Subway is like 50% cheaper. But otherwise credited re quality delis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025249)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: Vivacious corner cuckoldry

I always wonder about this as well. In Philadelphia area there are hole in the wall sandwich shops all over the place that blow Subway out of the water. I can see Subway doing well in the middle of nowhere, but along the eastern seaboard it makes no sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025250)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:13 AM
Author: Olive kitchen

it's because they know what they have and they know what to ask for. they know what it costs, how it tastes, even if it's shittier on all counts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025284)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:14 AM
Author: bright whorehouse

if you grew up in the NYC metro area you know what an Italian deli has. You know how to order an Italian combo or roast beef and cheddar. Jfc we're talking about a deli with Boar's Head produicts not "Mike's restaurant" that could literally serve anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025291)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:17 AM
Author: Olive kitchen

it still ain't uniform. krok or whatever makes this point in "The Founder" and he's right. people are creatures of habit and want exactly what they're expecting so they don't even have to think about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025308)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:20 AM
Author: bright whorehouse

it is really fucking close. way moreso that just about any type of restaurant.

like, there's only so many ways to do BH roast beef and cheddar on a kaiser roll with lettuce, tomato and mayo.

for normal restaurants and shit i completely agree. i can understand why someone in an unfamiliar area might go to Applebee's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025323)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:35 PM
Author: iridescent fighting giraffe

Kroc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027444)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: Provocative locale

There are a lot of under/working-class in NYC that won't spend $15 on a sandwich/drink/chips combo at the deli. And that deli sandwich is probably equivalent to a 6-8" incher. You could get a footlong combo meal at subway for less than $10. Fast food places are convenient and give big and cheap portions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025419)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: Gaped idea he suggested



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025835)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:19 AM
Author: galvanic ape orchestra pit

because they see Subway marketing literally every day of their lives

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025319)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: glittery brindle faggot firefighter immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025408)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: passionate tripping stag film

I say this as an Indian - Subway lost the plot with so many Indian franchisees. Many of these Patels are simply not up to maintaining quality. They cut corners everywhere, which they need to do because (((Doctors Associates))) demands high fees. Basically Subway is what one would expect when two money-grubbing groups run a business. Low-margin-high-volume mediocre product.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025256)



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Date: December 29th, 2017 1:57 PM
Author: Cerebral Demanding Chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35035295)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:18 AM
Author: Chocolate incel

Good riddance, same with malls and every other shitty mass market chain product, will enjoy watching them die ingloriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025311)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: Gaped idea he suggested

i would too, but the problem is they're getting replaced by pretentious versions of the same old shit.

ever notice how all the 'unique' and 'quirky' Edison-bulb-lit restaurants in Williamsburg, Portland, etc look just like each other? it's just mass-market bullshit dressed up in airs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025484)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: Provocative locale

Eh, that's how it's always been. Chipotle was pretty hip when it started. Now it's a joke. Starbucks was for pretentious urbanites, and now it's a chain that can be found anywhere. Subway was cool 15-20 years ago. Restaurants either have to reinvent themselves every few years to keep up in the age of social media, and/or expand into new markets. It's a brutally competitive industry.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025548)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:23 AM
Author: Gaped idea he suggested

"Today, people are ever more educated on nutrition, food sourcing, and ethical, holistic business models,"

Too bad this 'education' is 99% flame--especially the organic and GMO bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025339)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: sable turdskin toaster

These "business analysts" have kept saying people are looking for "healthier options" since the 90s yet funnily enough no one is eating healthier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025545)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:45 AM
Author: Gaped idea he suggested

nah bro my non-GMO organic locally-sourced cupcake is definitely healthier--after all it cost 18 bucks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025581)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:51 AM
Author: galvanic ape orchestra pit

my mom bought Froot Loops, with marshmallows, for my kids. The box prominently displays: "Made With Whole Grain"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025633)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: Irradiated Step-uncle's House

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026007)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:30 AM
Author: glittery brindle faggot firefighter immigrant

This is why owning a franchise IS FUCKING FLAME.

If you bought in 10-15 years ago, it probably seemed like a really good idea. Now? Your investment has hardly turned a profit, your resume is SPS if you need to go back to work because the last 15 years of your life are "failed franchise owner" and your future is at the whim of whatever the faggots in corporate decide. Any hope you had of turning a profit in January has been destroyed by the latest round of discounts.

GC rolled all the worst aspects of a single asset investment portfolio and wagecucking into one jfc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025397)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: Nofapping big rehab

DD and Mcd's print money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025428)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: adventurous sinister haunted graveyard

yep, but for McDs, you already need to be a multi millionaire to qualify for one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025432)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: Nofapping big rehab

ok

for comparison i knew subway was a total GC scam more than 10 years ago when two dipshit druggies bartenders i know were granted the right to open a subway franchise. of course they didnt open cuz no one was dumb enough to give them the money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025618)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:52 AM
Author: mauve painfully honest pisswyrm lodge

the SBA specifically blacklisted Subway for a while.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025646)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:58 AM
Author: Nofapping big rehab

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025696)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: lemon arousing international law enforcement agency community account

that is particularly rough given that they will guarantee loans to small businesses in industries that many reputable lenders wont even consider

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026286)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:39 AM
Author: passionate tripping stag film

Partly true. Franchising has its benefits. The traffic in a location of a well-know franchise will almost always beat traffic at non-franchise location selling a similar product. Like someone above said people know what they are getting and at what price.

But yeah, you are at the whims of faggots at corporate who all have MBAs but have never had to actually run a business or make payroll.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025510)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:51 AM
Author: mauve painfully honest pisswyrm lodge

>The traffic in a location of a well-know franchise will almost always beat traffic at non-franchise location selling a similar product.

True. I represented a pizza franchise that debranded and offered a similar menu with much better product quality at the same locations. They added craft beer and good wine, switched from preshredded starch-mixed cheese product to fresh-grated cheese, and ran a heavy local ad campaign.

Sales dropped 60% and they closed the debranded restaurants. The franchise reopened other restaurants nearby in less-visible locations and is still thriving.

The exception is In N' Out, which will pwn any franchised burger place nearby - except that In N Out basically ticks the same consistency and price boxes that franchised burger chains do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025636)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:46 AM
Author: mauve painfully honest pisswyrm lodge

Yes and no. Most franchises are flame. Subway, as I've discussed repeatedly, is one of the worst. Some franchises are still profitable, multigeneration businesses for their owners.

Your resume has 15 years of "CEO, [franchisee] Corp." and should list tons of operations experience. If you can't spin that into something worthwhile, you're being retarded.

Franchisors are generally faggot, especially in the last decade as private equity has taken over franchise systems. PE franchisors have one game plan: load up on as much unit growth as possible regardless of cannibalization, then sell the system to some other PE faggots.

Doctors Associates - who are Italian, not (((Jews))) - never needed the help to rip franchisees off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025592)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 2:35 PM
Author: bright whorehouse

i would love to read more of your screeds on this stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027018)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:38 PM
Author: concupiscible alpha



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027479)



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Date: December 29th, 2017 1:59 PM
Author: Cerebral Demanding Chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35035312)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: Flickering Hairraiser Prole

Their meatball sub is 180 but I would never eat anything else there. Also, none of this cant be fixed with an add campaign stressing new organic ingredients, and upping the price of everything by $2 to make idiots think they are getting a premium product. That's what Pot Belly does and their sandwiches suck but the damn places are always full.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025547)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:59 AM
Author: sticky base wrinkle

wait people are tired of paying $10+ to watch some pakistani bro microwave their food in front of them?!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025715)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 12:16 PM
Author: pearly multi-billionaire university

potbelly running shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025847)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 12:24 PM
Author: rambunctious multi-colored parlour

potbelly sucks shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025902)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 1:10 PM
Author: Spruce wild kitty den

leans into mic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026176)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Insecure stimulating resort keepsake machete

Fuck Subway. I haven’t been in one in 5 years.

You get way more meat at Chipotle and better value at McDonalds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35025951)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 1:06 PM
Author: Trip maroon kitty cat legal warrant

LOL at the fucking nazis itt complaining about Pakistanis.

Anyway, Subway does suck and it all has to do with its shiTTT ingredients. I remember it being way better and how it actually used to taste like a sub, not plastic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026139)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: Gaped idea he suggested

(Pakistani)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026277)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: Beady-eyed pungent depressive

go blow up a bus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026288)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 2:19 PM
Author: Nofapping big rehab

stfu, you Pashto pos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026833)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:43 PM
Author: fluffy territorial address

No one wants a turdskin Muslim anywhere near their food. Sorry, anoop

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027534)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 2:30 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Cowardly Dilemma

Queer comparison with sweetgreen was also the first thing I noticed lol

$5 footlong with $14 salad, or even $11 burrito.

And nobody wants to eat that much fucking stale bread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35026956)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 2:44 PM
Author: Hideous Angry Brunch Reading Party

I would invest in pot belly's over subway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027091)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 2:46 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Cowardly Dilemma

I like Potbelly, but it's not comparable with Subway because it's much more expensive, $10+ IIRC, compared to $4-6.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027106)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: iridescent fighting giraffe

I would happily eat Subway every single day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027118)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:24 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle Opaque Spot

jersey mikes is way better for not that much more price. like $9 for a 6" combo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027353)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:33 PM
Author: iridescent fighting giraffe

When I was in high school and a subway sandwich = 1 hour of my own minimum wage job I would get furious if the Sandwich Artist didn’t take their job seriously. On numerous occasions I went behind the counter to show them how to correctly make the sandwich. A few times it was the owner. I was offered a job three times but demurred because I was making $7.25 an hour and they couldn’t match it. I’ve probably crossed America in subway footlongs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027429)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 3:39 PM
Author: Motley meetinghouse

"They can't just toss a bunch of stuff on random bread products and expect it to impress an increasingly discerning public," one marketing executive says.

Fuck me, global corporatism is sad shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35027487)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:38 PM
Author: At-the-ready hairy legs

Posted this before, but the decline of Subway can really be tied to them "toasting" their subs. I mean the other stuff about the ingredients going downhill is true (and I think the poster is right that the owner base being cheap also killed the brand), but it certainly cannot be overlooked that the business stopped booming when they started putting the subs in a weird contraption that burnt the outside of the sub but left the middle of it ice cold.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35031313)



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Date: December 28th, 2017 11:54 PM
Author: Boyish bat shit crazy theatre boltzmann

enjoy five cubic feet of tasteless styrofoam bread covering a half ounce of meat and a limp slice of pickle

you'd better enjoy it, because after stepping into a subway you are going to smell of it for three days



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3842336&forum_id=2#35031434)