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How do most couples earning $60k household income support their kids?
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Date: January 8th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: ruby striped hyena $60k is the median household income in Orange county. How do two parents bringing in that income support their kids? How can they do it on a 9-5 schedule? A kid gets sick and you need to ask your boss if you can go pick them up? Or you need to do something at the DMV and have to basically take the whole day off for it? J f c (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35111430) |
Date: January 8th, 2018 5:19 PM Author: Offensive comical forum milk OC is filled with Mexicans who don't report income. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35111449) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: fragrant rose partner don't know much about west coast but similar situations re: Mexicans happens in this neighborhood called Corona, Queens in New York.
Some electrician fell off the roof putting in solar panels, when OSHA came in and did the investigation found not only an illegal basement, but an illegal attic
this was a legal two family turned into a illegal 4 family
short answer: Chinese landlord |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 5:25 PM Author: Laughsome Nubile Mexican They don’t. You do. Tax refunds (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35111494) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: fragrant rose partner haha I saw Jackson Hewitt was offering $3200 refund advance loans
was like WTF? than I remembered that EITC. I do like it though it's not welfare, it's workfare |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: Irradiated mentally impaired philosopher-king nibblets don't save, drive used cars, take on lots of cc debt, declare bankruptcy once a decade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35111506) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:13 PM Author: ruby striped hyena 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113122) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:16 PM Author: garnet hairy legs space PI case once every five years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113147) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Beta area coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113182) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: Gay multi-billionaire elastic band lol, sort of true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113301) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 3:38 AM Author: Navy provocative genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35122920) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:46 AM Author: jade incel Lmao at people who don't drive used cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115065) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: ruby striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115142) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: Indecent self-centered spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116226) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 10:44 PM Author: Arrogant garrison affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129282) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 10:45 PM Author: translucent fanboi address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129286) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 11:20 PM Author: Painfully honest yapping halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129540) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 11:50 PM Author: sick slate international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129811) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 9:22 AM Author: seedy pit gunner lmao. cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116165) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 5:27 PM Author: Boyish legend love of her life I'm not too far off from this with no government programs other than pslf and repaye. Wife stays home. She finds a lot of fee things to do with daughter off of various mommy groups. It's hard-ish, but if you're not materialistic and have good employee benefits, it's not a nightmare. Sometimes we have to make money stretch but those are the choices we made. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35111511) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 5:32 PM Author: fragrant rose partner you should pimp her out to rich dudes (put "no AA" in backpage ad) film that shit on hidden camera
blackmail the dude
that should get you up to about $100k/yr |
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Date: January 11th, 2018 12:27 AM Author: Appetizing stage cuckold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35130142) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: cream digit ratio party of the first part DESCRIBE your retirement planning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113217) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: ruby striped hyena this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113226) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:31 PM Author: Boyish legend love of her life Savings and a couple of 401ks. I also own a share of a rental property that gives off income that goes directly to Savings.
I am, however, actually taking the bar since I have a buddy who is swamped and wants to start a shingle with me. He has ample business and wants to scale up and I'm the only person he trusts. So I don't think I will stick at this income much past this year. |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:33 PM Author: ruby striped hyena you're not a lawyer yet./ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113249) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:37 PM Author: Boyish legend love of her life Longish story. I never sat. Got sick and was hospitalized which cost me my JD preferred gig. Ended up in academia exactly where I started. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113268) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:39 PM Author: ruby striped hyena describe your income and cost of living expenses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113285) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:43 PM Author: Boyish legend love of her life 72k. Biggest expense is housing. I sent house off of uncle at 1200. Other than that. Usual incidentals. Food. Clothing for kid. Internet. Tolls 255. Life insurance. My benefits are good so basically free health care. I would need about 100k cash to replace the job I think. Which is more than doable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113311) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:38 PM Author: green alcoholic mother temple How did you buy the share in the rental property? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113278) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:40 PM Author: Boyish legend love of her life Loan off 401k. Fell backwards into a deal. Old couple wanted to get a property off their hands and it was full of tenants in coal country. They're in NYC and couldn't hack it anymore. They cut my buddy and I a great deal. Found out about it in Facebook. No kidding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113293) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:11 PM Author: ruby striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113116) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:18 PM Author: Milky institution lol, where do you think your taxes go, OP? to build fucking roads or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113160) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:20 PM Author: wine azn its tough but very doable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113171) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:25 PM Author: ruby striped hyena seems like hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113203) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:51 PM Author: Lascivious Sneaky Criminal this is the attitude of a liberal. it's not that hard to be frugal, to be responsible, to live within your means. you pick and choose your fun activities and you minimize bullshit purchases |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:32 AM Author: wine azn Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35114943) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:33 AM Author: Boyish legend love of her life Honestly, our lives are really full. Like we made 200k not too long ago and we wouldn't trade our QOL. You really do need to just be prudent and make decisions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35114953) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:41 AM Author: Lascivious Sneaky Criminal you have to change your priorities and just make it a mindset that what you are missing out on is not worth what you are gaining. the people it really works for are conservatives because they aren't looking to feel sorry for themselves or feel less privileged than the joneses who have more. yes, there are libs who can pull this off, but they are a different breed from today's libs, basically the extinct happy libs
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:43 AM Author: ruby striped hyena 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115046) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 10:46 PM Author: Arrogant garrison affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129299) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 11:21 PM Author: Painfully honest yapping halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129561) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:26 PM Author: cream digit ratio party of the first part It's not that hard if you don't save for retirement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35113206) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:35 AM Author: Lascivious Sneaky Criminal you can save for retirement, but your kids aren't getting any help paying for college. oh well. parents paying for kids' college is gc bs, anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35114965) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:36 AM Author: Boyish legend love of her life Father in law is doing that aspect assuming college is a thing 15 years down the line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35114975) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:44 AM Author: ruby striped hyena kids whose parents earn 60k combined qualify for grants and scholarships (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115053) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:46 AM Author: Marvelous cumskin only if they get into schools good enough to do that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115061) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: Painfully honest yapping halford 1. lotta schools give plenty of money for decent grades if poor. they can definitely get into decent undergrads.
2. kids who come from these situations often work hard to be able to do better for themselves. have several friends who more or less grew up in this situation, had good parents, good childhood, worked hard, and are in good/decent schools. |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:51 PM Author: cream digit ratio party of the first part "you can save for retirement"
Yeah, retirement deep into your 60s. |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 1:59 PM Author: Lascivious Sneaky Criminal yes, i agree you aren't retiring young but that's a reality of only making $60k/yr with the right mindset, the tradeoff is easily worth it |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: cream digit ratio party of the first part I can't imagine many hells greater than having to work that long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117931) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Boyish legend love of her life I've accepted the idea that when I die, I likely will have been working that day. I'm not so much more deserving of a leisurely life than my grandfather, great grandfather, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118059) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Adventurous Double Fault Same. I have a pension that I don't expect to ever use. From what I've seen retirement = death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118076) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: Boyish legend love of her life The great Gordian knot of life. Once you stop working, you die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118156) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Adventurous Double Fault I also believe that retirement isn’t always the best thing for people. My father used to say ‘To retire is to expire’ because he got so much energy from his work. Donald Trump
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: Boyish legend love of her life There is a lot of wisdom in this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118203) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 3:40 AM Author: cream digit ratio party of the first part Yes, the highly autonomous life of rich real estate developers provides much useful guidance for the general population. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35122923) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 11:29 PM Author: Painfully honest yapping halford or maybe you could examine its application to regular people's lives and see that independent of source, it holds truth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129629) |
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Date: January 11th, 2018 1:19 AM Author: cream digit ratio party of the first part No, scanning Cheetos and filing TPS reports are not sources of meaning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35130432) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 3:37 AM Author: cream digit ratio party of the first part That's just a shitty tale you tell yourself to take the sting out of the prospect of misery. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35122918) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 3:42 AM Author: Navy provocative genital piercing yeah fuck working unless you have to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35122930) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: Painfully honest yapping halford vocation adds purpose, brother. do a job you don't hate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129605) |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:26 PM Author: Drunken Menage Ratface Probably inherited a house from parents
With no rent or mortgage and minimal housing taxes, 60k a year is a dream |
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Date: January 8th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Umber kitty cat state In OC they do something involving driving their BMWs around.
In flyover, they combine their incomes to pay off $110k houses over the course of many decades. |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:31 AM Author: ruby striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35114940) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:39 AM Author: Marvelous cumskin in orange county? paycheck to paycheck, public schools, don't save much for kids college and if so they'll probably go to a CC for two years and transfer to reduce debt. can scrape by saving for retirement to at least give enough to supplement SSI.
in are country? less paycheck to paycheck, can save a bit for kids college, stuff away a bit more for retirement, take a few regional vacations. it's harder than it used to be (60k now isn't what it was 15 years ago) but still doable
you have to consider that people making this are a) always buying cheap used import cars with around 70k miles that are easy to fix, b) never ever considering private schools (hell, getting into an ivy would be the best thing--they wouldn't pay a dime), c) spending SIGNIFICANTLY less than most xoers do on takeout and going out to eat. if proles eat out it's usually fast food, maybe go to a restaurant once every couple weeks.
you're taking home about 45k on 60k married with kids, and a 170k mortgage is probably about 1200/mo. it's more than doable to actually own a home on this salary in are country and build a little equity. obviously expensive metros are different, where you rent paycheck to paycheck and just have to save what you can. |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:42 AM Author: Lascivious Sneaky Criminal to do it right, you are living out of the grocery store and actually using coupons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115035) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: topaz demanding pervert round eye "170k mortgage"
"orange county"
lololololol |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 11:54 AM Author: Mind-boggling toaster *870k mortgage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117076) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 11:18 PM Author: Marvelous cumskin (guy who can't read) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35121966) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:42 AM Author: chest-beating dysfunction they don't. kids left to fend for themselves. most become bitter misanthropes. very sad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115029) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:42 AM Author: ruby striped hyena so most kids become bitter misanthropes since the median household income is 60k... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115036) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:58 AM Author: Spectacular Fiercely-loyal Tank Field Boomers + Prop 13 HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115163) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 1:02 AM Author: Swashbuckling unholy alpha Leech off society (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35115181) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 8:50 AM Author: snowy stirring brunch hominid This really makes you realize how out of touch xo posters are when they claim their combined $300k salary makes them "poor." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116071) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 8:52 AM Author: wine azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116076) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 8:52 AM Author: Mind-boggling toaster COL in coastal cities, private school, it's called Prestigious Poverty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116078) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 8:51 AM Author: Mind-boggling toaster You have to live in ARE country but you can do it. 60k is definitely reasonable if you're in a second tier suburb of Mobile, AL or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116073) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 9:13 AM Author: snowy stirring brunch hominid The median household income in NYC is less than $50k.
XO posters are just spoiled and have no idea how most people live. |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 9:20 AM Author: Mind-boggling toaster Right because it's a mix of neighborhoods of people making high six figures to millions and people living subsistence level on various social programs, section 8, etc, and it averages there. hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116161) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 10:51 PM Author: Arrogant garrison affirmative action none of the people on public assistance are living "subsistence level" lives. they all have the latest gadgets & shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35129342) |
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Date: January 11th, 2018 4:14 AM Author: ruby striped hyena i see a bunch of inner city hispanics with the latest iphones and sumsungs and their parents drive new hondas and toyotas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35130744) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 9:31 AM Author: Adventurous Double Fault Just over 100k w/ 4 kids. 60k does not sound possible. That's costco. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35116210) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Salmon rehab Where do you live? How do you manage? Does your wife work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117111) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:28 PM Author: ruby striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117259) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Adventurous Double Fault Outside of seattle. Lucked out buying at bottom of market. Could not afford it today. Kept starter home as rental but don't make any cash off of it.
Don't eat out much. Simple vacations. My kids are all small, 7 and under. I'd like to pay for catholic school but I don't think we qualify for any tuition assistance. That's probably my only regret. Another year for pslf.
Wife is a sahm. |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 1:04 PM Author: jade incel 180 man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117465) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Adventurous Double Fault Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117864) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 7:45 AM Author: house-broken purple lay messiness How much is left on your mortgage on the starter home? Once that's paid off, you can probably make a nice profit on it as a rental, right? If you've got a lot of equity in it you could also refi it to make it cash flow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35123157) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: Avocado office therapy If you don't pay a lot for housing you can get by just fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117483) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: transparent codepig It’s doable in a low COL area, but it has to be a SAHM situation OR family help. 2 income would not work otherwise because kids get sick a lot and need somebody to have flex work schedule or be at home.
Not really doable in OC unless you cram 10 Mexicans under one roof in la habra. |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: ruby striped hyena Median household income in oc is 60k. So most ppl are doing it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117768) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: transparent codepig Yeah because lots of the OC is Mexico. Asians also run mostly cash businesses and underreport income. White families do not live im OC with $60k income. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117814) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: ruby striped hyena I think you're forgetting about government assistance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35117917) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: transparent codepig Govt assistance and lots of family help living under one roof is implied with Mexicans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118214) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 11:28 PM Author: ruby striped hyena Lots of whites do this in Orange county also (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35122040) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 12:39 AM Author: Lascivious Sneaky Criminal once school age, i bet neither i nor any siblings were sick enough to miss school more than twice a semester. kids seem to be pussies these days
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: ruby striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118033) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: elite fishy abode 0x963dCff72150152dE1007987BFFB95C01cB8b9D9 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118162) |
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Date: January 9th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: ruby striped hyena Wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35118218) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 2:47 AM Author: ruby striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35122819) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 1:07 PM Author: ruby striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3853423&forum_id=2#35124957) |
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Date: January 10th, 2018 10:39 PM Author: Khaki property electric furnace XO is full of status-conscious aspies who assume, based on internet bluster and the retarded flame they read on XO especially, that they're ruining their lone chance for happiness if they're not able to retire as multimillionaire equity holders at 50 years old.
in reality, most people, including most of our middle class parents, understand and understood that they would have to work shitty jobs to pay the bills until their mid-to-late 60s, and then retire with decent security if not luxury.
you make intense sacrifices when you have kids and have to learn to run a serious household budget. $60K isn't much and it means poverty if coupled with kids in our society. but millions of people are living within these means. it's just a different standard of expectation and a lifestyle that most of the idiotic neckbeard gamers and ugly, unremarkable lawyers on ZoZo are too myopic to comprehend. xoxohth. |
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