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Does Glenn Greenwald Know More Than Robert Mueller? [NY Mag]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/glenn-greenwald...
Wonderful black woman
  01/21/18
Thanks to this never-ending hot take, Greenwald has been exc...
tantric stubborn step-uncle's house
  01/21/18
PWNPWNPWN I used to be really good friends with Rachel Ma...
Ruddy Persian Macaca
  01/21/18
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Cheese-eating lilac messiness windowlicker
  01/23/18
“Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually...
Lemon slap-happy garrison
  01/23/18
thats XO Glenn Greenwald to you
nighttime point reading party
  01/21/18
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Primrose Rebellious Rehab
  01/21/18
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hyperventilating pistol library
  01/21/18
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Godawful Selfie
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Ivory excitant theatre friendly grandma
  01/21/18
“If you believe the 2016 election was a populist uprising ag...
aquamarine immigrant
  01/21/18
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Blue Lay Boistinker
  01/21/18
What’s the lie?
aquamarine immigrant
  01/21/18
then you might be a pumo
Carmine space
  01/21/18
it’s WLMAS
Bateful Azure School
  01/21/18
Then you’d be wrong. Trump is his own man and not some Russi...
gaped puce prole circlehead
  01/21/18
then you might be an acloholic bastard child
bright pocket flask
  01/21/18
Then you’re an intellectually bankrupt tinfoil hat nitwit li...
Ruddy Persian Macaca
  01/23/18
Glad this author captured his utter intellectual dishonesty:...
aquamarine immigrant
  01/21/18
huh amazing glen greenwald doesn't see wikileaks asking don ...
Godawful Selfie
  01/21/18
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Primrose Rebellious Rehab
  01/21/18
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Ivory excitant theatre friendly grandma
  01/23/18
lol we've threaded extensively about this. U think u goi...
Ivory excitant theatre friendly grandma
  01/21/18
About what? His utter intellectual dishonesty?
aquamarine immigrant
  01/21/18
WLMAS unhinged? Never
impressive spectacular ticket booth
  01/21/18
O WHAT A RANDOM PIECE OF BAD REPORTING
hyperventilating pistol library
  01/21/18
the Don Jr. wikileaks thing has been debunked. The communica...
Aphrodisiac autistic cruise ship knife
  01/21/18
I think you’re talking about something else. But the point i...
aquamarine immigrant
  01/21/18
what facts
Godawful Selfie
  01/21/18
Oh I don’t know. Link to Greenwald writing about the fact th...
aquamarine immigrant
  01/21/18
oh so the stuff that turned out to be a fantasy set-up paid ...
Godawful Selfie
  01/21/18
He's dead on about Rachel Maddow. She's basically Alex Jones...
Arousing Gay Pit Background Story
  01/21/18
...
Know-it-all shitlib
  01/21/18
she's no Alex Jones
Carmine space
  01/21/18
Cr
Startled splenetic parlour
  01/21/18
I used to watch her nightly while in law school. ljl at her ...
bright pocket flask
  01/21/18
Lol at all you former libs You all make me sick!
Ruddy Persian Macaca
  01/23/18
she's destroyed herself. she rambles like one of those evang...
stirring bat-shit-crazy partner house
  01/21/18
...
Fishy Disgusting Rigor
  01/23/18
Why has NY Mag become such a Russia collusion fever swamp? I...
Flirting Mad Cow Disease
  01/21/18
NYC probably has the highest (by far) proportion of ppl who ...
aquamarine immigrant
  01/21/18
why does the author of this article assume that Robert Muell...
bright pocket flask
  01/21/18
these people's brains are permanently deranged by their need...
hyperventilating pistol library
  01/21/18
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Ruddy Persian Macaca
  01/23/18
like half of this thread
High-end preventive strike faggot firefighter
  01/23/18
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Ivory excitant theatre friendly grandma
  01/23/18
He may or may not be honest or knowledgeable about Russia, b...
racy center hunting ground
  01/21/18
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tantric stubborn step-uncle's house
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Ruddy Persian Macaca
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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: Wonderful black woman

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/glenn-greenwald-russia-investigation.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203331)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:41 PM
Author: tantric stubborn step-uncle's house

Thanks to this never-ending hot take, Greenwald has been excommunicated from the liberal salons that celebrated him in the Snowden era; anybody who questions the Russia consensus, he says, “becomes a blasphemer. Becomes a heretic. I think that’s what they see me as.” Greenwald is no longer invited on MSNBC, and he’s portrayed in the Twitter fever swamp as a leading villain of the self-styled Resistance. “I used to be really good friends with Rachel Maddow,” he says. “And I’ve seen her devolution from this really interesting, really smart, independent thinker into this utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack.” His view of the liberal online media is equally charitable. “Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually novel thing that [Vox’s] Matt Yglesias or Ezra Klein have said in like ten years,” he says. “In general, they’re just churning out Democratic Party agitprop every single day of the most superficial type.” (Reached for comment, none of these people would respond to Greenwald.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203359)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 7:41 PM
Author: Ruddy Persian Macaca

PWNPWNPWN

I used to be really good friends with Rachel Maddow,” he says. “And I’ve seen her devolution from this really interesting, really smart, independent thinker into this utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35205483)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 5:14 AM
Author: Cheese-eating lilac messiness windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215754)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:50 AM
Author: Lemon slap-happy garrison

“Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually novel thing that [Vox’s] Matt Yglesias or Ezra Klein have said in like ten years,” he says.

Absolutely Devastating. And it has the added benefit of being true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215730)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: nighttime point reading party

thats XO Glenn Greenwald to you



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203404)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:51 PM
Author: Primrose Rebellious Rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203416)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:15 PM
Author: hyperventilating pistol library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203522)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: Godawful Selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203419)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: Ivory excitant theatre friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203430)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: aquamarine immigrant

“If you believe the 2016 election was a populist uprising against complacent elites, the Russia preoccupation can seem like an effort to ignore what Trump voters — and Sanders voters — were trying to say. Alternatively, if you believe Trump’s victory was a Russia-perpetrated fraud, normalcy is restored simply by removing him from office. Which, conveniently, is what many hope Mueller’s Russia probe will do.”

What if you believe it was a popular uprising and that Trump also happens to be compromised by Russia because he spent the last 15 years laundering money for Kremlin-connected oligarchs and criminals ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203432)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: Blue Lay Boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203538)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: aquamarine immigrant

What’s the lie?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203547)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: Carmine space

then you might be a pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203576)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: Bateful Azure School

it’s WLMAS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35204231)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:27 PM
Author: gaped puce prole circlehead

Then you’d be wrong. Trump is his own man and not some Russian plant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203582)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:20 PM
Author: bright pocket flask

then you might be an acloholic bastard child

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203883)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:00 AM
Author: Ruddy Persian Macaca

Then you’re an intellectually bankrupt tinfoil hat nitwit like wlmas

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215347)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:12 PM
Author: aquamarine immigrant

Glad this author captured his utter intellectual dishonesty:

there’s virtually no revelation in the Russia story that could get Greenwald to change his mind. Which means that while Scahill and other Intercept colleagues tend to evaluate each new revelation at face value, Greenwald focuses disproportionately on debunked or overblown Russia stories. Ever the lawyer, he curates evidence that suits his argument. More than a year ago, the Washington Post published an erroneous story alleging that Russia had hacked into a U.S. electrical grid in Vermont. Greenwald continues to bring this up. To him, it’s not just a random piece of bad reporting but a crucial exhibit in a case he’s building.

Which makes his lack of interest in a report the Intercept itself produced all the more curious. In June, it published an explosive story that Russia had attempted to infiltrate voter-registration systems days before the election by sending phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials.

...

Greenwald’s selective outrage has become habitual. In November, The Atlantic published Twitter correspondence from 2016 in which a WikiLeaks representative gave Donald Trump Jr. campaign advice.

Greenwald pooh-poohed the coordination, implying that Julian Assange was just playing his usual 4-D chess. Barrett Brown — a pro-transparency autodidact who served more than four years in federal prison for spreading hacked data and won a National Magazine Award for Intercept essays he wrote while incarcerated — was livid. “He doesn’t seem to be engaging on the actual revelations that keep coming out on Russia and Trump’s people,” Brown says. “My best guess is he’s just ignoring these things in favor of the less difficult argument that some people who are backing the Trump-Russia narrative are full of shit.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203507)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:17 PM
Author: Godawful Selfie

huh amazing glen greenwald doesn't see wikileaks asking don jr for a copy of his dads tax returns as proof of some large russian conspiracy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203531)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Primrose Rebellious Rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203542)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: Ivory excitant theatre friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215386)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:18 PM
Author: Ivory excitant theatre friendly grandma

lol

we've threaded extensively about this. U think u going to get a W here, unhinged pumo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203536)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: aquamarine immigrant

About what? His utter intellectual dishonesty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203541)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: impressive spectacular ticket booth

WLMAS unhinged? Never

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203544)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:20 PM
Author: hyperventilating pistol library

O WHAT A RANDOM PIECE OF BAD REPORTING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203539)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:22 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac autistic cruise ship knife

the Don Jr. wikileaks thing has been debunked. The communications about wikileaks info occured when the info was already public

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203548)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:24 PM
Author: aquamarine immigrant

I think you’re talking about something else. But the point is that Greenwalds arguments are never honest, he simply ignores facts that get in the way of them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203563)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: Godawful Selfie

what facts



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203589)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: aquamarine immigrant

Oh I don’t know. Link to Greenwald writing about the fact that the Russian lawyer who met with Trumps entire high command, and was accompanied by a handful of intelligence agents, was in town to attend a hearing in a money laundering case in the SDNY against her clients, a group of FSB thugs who did this ( https://m.imgur.com/2lSLFM1?r ) to a Russian lawyer for Sergei Magnitsky, a political prisoner who uncovered their crimes (and was killed in custody)?

Did Greenwald tweet about the fact that while meeting with the Trump campaigns entire high command--including his idiot son, his now indicted campaign manager, and his soon-to-be indicted son in law--this Russian FSB lawyer lobbied for the elimination of the Magnitzky Act, a great law that is reviled by Russia's kleptocratic leaders, who are drawn from the worst elements of the legacy Soviet security apparatus?

Did Greenwald write any lengthy screeds about the meeting on AF1 the day news of the Don Jr meeting broke? The one in which the compromised “president” crafted his idiot son's response, saying the meeting was about "adoptions," which revealed that it was actually about the Mangitzky Act?

Has Greenwald ever tweeted about the fact that Trumps national security adviser visited GRU headquarters, or that a campaign advisers energy issues met with literal SVR recruiters on multiple occasions over several years? Or about the email Trumps campaign manager sent to Putin lackey / oligarch Oleg Deripaska, offering private briefings about the presidential campaign?

Has Glenn ever mentioned the real estate conference in Moscow in which Don Jr said “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia" and that "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets."? Has he ever retweeted the Reuters story about Trump Tower Panama being a huge money laundering vehicle for Russian criminals?

Has he ever expressed any interest about the $96 million sale of a Trump mansion to a Russian oligarch who bought that property at the height of the housing crash and paid 2x as much for it as Trump did at the height of the housing bubble? Ever retweet Palm Beach Post stories noting that the Russian oligarch did zero due diligence, never occupied the home and then razed it without setting foot in it? Ever retweet subsequent articles citing FAA records that showed that on multiple occasions during the campaign, the Russian oligarchs private jet randomly touched down in airports that Trump had just touched down in?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203689)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Godawful Selfie

oh so the stuff that turned out to be a fantasy set-up paid for by GPS Fusion and the Clinton campaign?

no dont understand why he doesnt obsess over those 'facts'



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203852)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:25 PM
Author: Arousing Gay Pit Background Story

He's dead on about Rachel Maddow. She's basically Alex Jones at this time. I watched her Trump thing and it was insane Russia conspiracy mongering. Then I stumbled across her show last week and she was drawing equally insane dots between Trump and Kazahkhstan or some other hellhole. It reminded me of Glenn Beck when he had the chalkboard and went insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203564)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:28 PM
Author: Know-it-all shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203587)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: Carmine space

she's no Alex Jones

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203593)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: Startled splenetic parlour

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203597)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: bright pocket flask

I used to watch her nightly while in law school. ljl at her decline into full-blown mental illness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203922)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: Ruddy Persian Macaca

Lol at all you former libs

You all make me sick!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215352)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: stirring bat-shit-crazy partner house

she's destroyed herself. she rambles like one of those evangelical radio preachers who just go on and on and on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203986)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 3:58 AM
Author: Fishy Disgusting Rigor



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: Flirting Mad Cow Disease

Why has NY Mag become such a Russia collusion fever swamp? Is this really an article of faith among the wannabe Hamptons set?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203621)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: aquamarine immigrant

NYC probably has the highest (by far) proportion of ppl who (correctly) believe that Trump is a compromised Russian stooge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203764)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: bright pocket flask

why does the author of this article assume that Robert Mueller knows anything? it's a far safer assumption that anything Mueller knows that's damaging to Trump was leaked to the msm the instant it was found

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203898)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: hyperventilating pistol library

these people's brains are permanently deranged by their need to believe this nonsense. just read any unhinged wlmas rant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35203931)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: Ruddy Persian Macaca



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:00 AM
Author: High-end preventive strike faggot firefighter

like half of this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215697)



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 4:25 AM
Author: Ivory excitant theatre friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35215709)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 4:58 PM
Author: racy center hunting ground

He may or may not be honest or knowledgeable about Russia, but I think we can all agree with this take on Klein/Yglesias. There was a brief period in the 2000s where they sort of tried and they were young enough to think that they might develop into good thinkers/writers. Oh well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3866386&forum_id=2#35204175)



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Date: January 21st, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: tantric stubborn step-uncle's house



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Date: January 23rd, 2018 12:59 AM
Author: Ruddy Persian Macaca



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