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Front page WaPo: I froze my eggs but my plan ultimately failed
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: bearded native https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/01/27/feature/she-championed-the-idea-that-freezing-your-eggs-would-free-your-career-but-things-didnt-quite-work-out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260598) |
Date: January 28th, 2018 1:49 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat how did it fail? not going to click that shitrag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260606) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:50 PM Author: Twinkling Regret Azn No one wanted a leathery shrew with frozen eggs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260613) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: nubile cheese-eating locus late 30s woman brilliantly freezes eggs so that she can get them fertilized by the alpha jacked stud of her dreams when she isn't so busy with her career
gets a cover story titled "FREEZE YOUR EGGS, FREE YOUR CAREER" on businessweek a few years later
doesn't find mr right, just goes donor at 45
but she is 45 so it failed, in part because half the embryos were retards since she did this at 38 or whatever |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat LOL why would the arrogant shrew think her eggs are better than a randoms. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260621) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford but she went to Vassar!! she worked in marketing!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260633) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: angry tank range lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260765) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: canary effete pocket flask gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260841) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:49 PM Author: Hot mauve knife JFC stop, she's already dead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261001) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:43 PM Author: Talented Shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261382) |
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Date: February 1st, 2018 9:30 PM Author: idiotic diverse tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35300436) |
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Date: August 8th, 2018 2:05 AM Author: fear-inspiring base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#36575887) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:47 AM Author: Razzmatazz milky den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267460) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: nubile cheese-eating locus "She was single and blond, a Vassar graduate who spoke fluent Italian, and was working in tech marketing for a number of prestigious companies." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260636) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat which any non-mutant genes would be depressed upon hearing such a ceiling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260640) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: angry tank range why do you have so much trouble typing coherent English phrases, Pradesh? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260754) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat [guy talking to a bot] (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260781) |
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Date: March 19th, 2021 11:31 PM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency So hilarious how this is the zenith of achievement for catty shrews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#42134737) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260626) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: harsh organic girlfriend Bet she hates that Illinois senator who just got preggers at 50 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260637) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:11 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency is this sardonic xo flame or an actual recap of the article? seems likely to be the latter which is hilarious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266825) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:25 AM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison It's a 100% accurate recap lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266851) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:48 AM Author: light talking cruise ship mood Confirmed accurate. I swear by my 108 draggies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267475) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: motley lay kitty cat "In early 2017, with her 45th birthday looming and no sign of Mr. Right, she decided to start a family on her own. She excitedly unfroze the 11 eggs she had stored and selected a sperm donor.
Two eggs failed to survive the thawing process. Three more failed to fertilize. That left six embryos, of which five appeared to be abnormal. The last one was implanted in her uterus. On the morning of March 7, she got the devastating news that it, too, had failed." |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: harsh organic girlfriend lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260639) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat ice cold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260642) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: harsh organic girlfriend She and her ilk 100% deserve this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260646) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat ti,oc,tcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260649) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:44 AM Author: razzle home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266425) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: Pale hell wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260761) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: curious awkward gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260833) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: Hot mauve knife She should sue the repro lab if they didn't inform her of these shitty odds, and if they've been charging her $1,000 a month to freeze her hopes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261019) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:08 PM Author: exciting out-of-control mexican library A 1000 a month? Should be a few hundred year after the 10-20k procedure to extract. At any rate, I’m sure they told her the odds were bad as a 39 year old shrew having her eggs harvested, she just didn’t want to hear it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261133) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:14 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison Here's what she said in the story, but yeah I doubt she cared when she did it. She was high on taking charge of her reproduction.
First, she said she learned that the fertility industry is very “cagey” about providing data on success rates. “It’s easy for them to say there isn’t data right now. And really there is. There is some data. It’s just not pretty data,” she said.
Individual clinics are often reluctant to share their own information, she said, and many don’t refer patients to academic studies that attempt to quantify the probability of success. Only a few such studies exist: A 2016 Fertility and Sterility study of 137 women who tried to use their frozen eggs found that women who froze 10 eggs at the age of 36 faced a 30 percent likelihood of achieving a live birth. Last year, researchers writing in Human Reproduction calculated that the same women should have a 60 percent success rate based on their mathematical model.
Brigitte Adams goes through the paperwork for her egg freezing, IVF and other fertility procedures and treatments. (Carolyn Van Houten/The Washington Post) Second, Adams said many clinics sell women on a single egg retrieval procedure without mentioning that more may be needed to harvest enough eggs to produce a successful pregnancy. This is what happened with Adams. When she recently reviewed her tests, she said they clearly showed that her fertility already had been in decline, suggesting that she would need more than 11 eggs to conceive. The lack of advice was “unconscionable,” she said. “I was never told that x, y and z were a possibility.”
While she is still a proponent of egg freezing, Adams said women need to be better educated about the possible outcomes, including the bad ones, and the industry needs to be more transparent.
“We are only seeing half the story, which is a very optimistic story,” she said. “But, really, you need to see both.” |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:09 PM Author: curious awkward gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261137) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:12 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency spoken like a true ratface! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266827) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Hot mauve knife The ratface cries out as he strikes at you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269420) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:12 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266826) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: light talking cruise ship mood Why don’t people post the text when they link these? I don’t get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260686) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: motley lay kitty cat https://unv.is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260694) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: curious awkward gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260840) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:12 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266828) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 9:27 PM Author: shivering floppy laser beams Saved. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35264317) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: angry tank range why wouldn't you click this article? it confirms everything xo believes
"James A. Grifo, a fertility specialist at NYU Langone Health who is one of the pioneers of the procedure, calls the whole notion of being able to “control” your fertility — perpetuated by the media and embraced by feminists — destructive." |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 4:41 PM Author: vigorous maniacal factory reset button whorehouse lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261714) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:13 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency awesome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266829) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: light talking cruise ship mood That’s true. We should reward them with clicks for publishing unfake news I suppose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267489) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:53 PM Author: motley lay kitty cat "‘Why me?’ ‘What did I do wrong?’"
I believe you attempted to have children 20 years past your prime. |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260634) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: Pale hell wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260762) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Exhilarant learning disabled hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260817) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: Violent Garnet Party Of The First Part Plaza Also, she's a stupid hag with sun-damaged claw hands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260864) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 9:28 PM Author: shivering floppy laser beams And felt you were too good for every man you ever dated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35264321) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 12:59 PM Author: Free-loading Fuchsia Lodge stop it, that woman has a fami-- nevermind (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268419) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2021 6:06 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#42147861) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:31 PM Author: Sepia Corn Cake Past her prime? She's at the pinnacle of her career! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272014) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:57 PM Author: canary effete pocket flask gas station "In an age when egg freezing has become so popular that hip employers such as Apple and Facebook cover it as a perk" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260645) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: dashing fiercely-loyal milk unreal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260881) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 6:50 AM Author: electric orange institution This is a genius move when you think about it. Squeeze extra years out of these people who will gladly do so under the guise that they can have a family later (many fail to do so). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266647) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 1:58 PM Author: nubile cheese-eating locus maybe the saddest picture ever
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2018/01/20171120CVHIVF0023.jpg&w=1484 |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:02 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat HER walgreens xanax bottle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260664) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford holy shit. this is art. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260678) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: nubile cheese-eating locus if it was framed and lit by a pro it'd be almost too good to believe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260697) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: vigorous maniacal factory reset button whorehouse "haha wow holy shit' /s/ gc |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address if my jewish wife were going to freeze her eggs, and they told her that she needed 30 for a 99% chance of 1 successful conception, she'd freeze 90, cost be damned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268566) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: coiffed demanding place of business Jesus Christ this just says everything about our fallen age (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261470) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 12:53 PM Author: fishy aromatic orchestra pit i literally really only looked closely at this picture today and didn't see the sonograms on the right.
that was a stomach punch. i feel terrible for this woman now. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:09 PM Author: Claret arousing background story karate Why? She should have known what lay ahead on the path she chose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268498) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:11 PM Author: fishy aromatic orchestra pit i lost a girl and i remember sonograms on the fridge that i had to put away.
it's sad, brother. life is fragile. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Claret arousing background story karate Brother i am truly sorry to hear of your loss. When my wife was pregnant with our first - which took several years and significant treatment - she had some bleeding in first trimester that could have been a sign of miscarriage and just that put me into a tailspin until we knew the babydood was ok. So i am truly sorry to hear of what happened with you.
With that said, this article is not that. She thought she was better than nature and could dictate everything about her personal life - who she would marry and when, and when they would have their family. It's her fault and hers alone that she is in this position and considering how much untold damage she did with her cover article (that she was so proud of she framed) I have zero sympathy for her. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: fishy aromatic orchestra pit i dig it. thanks for sharing. happy to hear your babydood is good!
for me...their is a lot of sadness to go around. like...she bought the scam full tilt. i always hope people turn it around in time, ya kno? they figure it out in time to get out and save themselves. i wish that for everybody. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: 180 Dog Poop Reading Party XO: Never short on psychopaths. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268612) |
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Date: January 30th, 2018 8:54 AM Author: angry tank range "which took several years and significant treatment"
Lol |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:01 PM Author: motley lay kitty cat "Picking out a sperm donor was fun, she said, like perusing an online dating site to find the ideal mate." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260660) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: fishy aromatic orchestra pit The whole thing is sad. She basically bought into all the same bullshit we almost all uniformly did except she has an actual biological clock that matters. Many of us would be permafucked too if we were broads. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260700) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat if we were female we'd be hookers not lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260708) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:42 AM Author: Buck-toothed Resort Black Woman I definitely would. I would make a 180 as fuck hooker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266745) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: vigorous maniacal factory reset button whorehouse cr we joke about the (pretty obvious) lie these people are sold but it's just sad to see it in the real world if u have any empathy at all |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison It really is sad. They strive to build up a nest egg and advance their career, then blow it all and then some on trying to conceive. Women would be better off having a family and kids early, then starting their career when the kids are in school rather than starting in their 40s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261164) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 7:10 PM Author: light talking cruise ship mood It should be emphasized to proto-shrews that they actually lose out financially in the long run. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35262988) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:54 PM Author: Violent Garnet Party Of The First Part Plaza This is why we need to bring back the respectability of 30-year-old rich men marrying women no older than 22 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272233) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: big gold crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35262378) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: Adulterous cuckold cr.
it's interesting that a cultural zeitgeist could override biological imperatives that way. you might have thought that our urge to procreate was stronger than that. |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: motley lay kitty cat There's an important difference. The striver culture here has been strong, particularly in years past, but we've always believed in physical reality and have never succumbed to utopian wishful thinking. (See the Depressive Realism thread.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260767) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: fishy aromatic orchestra pit True. The thing is the lie is appealing to the point that it makes some women lose their handle on reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260828) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: ebony filthpig pretty sure tons of our unmarried childless genetic dead end male poasters have had varying degrees of wishful thinking overriding their observed physical reality over the years. jjc is an extreme example but he's far from the only one whose delusional expectations for a partner and family have failed to materialize (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260868) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: exciting out-of-control mexican library Counterpoint: jjc is asian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260888) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: Fantasy-prone hissy fit menage agreed. this is very sad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260773) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: exciting out-of-control mexican library Feminism and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the human race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260731) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Black main people dopamine Darwinism is successfully routing out those who are unfit for procreation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260742) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Exhilarant learning disabled hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260786) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: exciting out-of-control mexican library Then there is MeiMei Fox. After the 44-year-old Honolulu-based writer got married, she tried to use her frozen eggs. The whole batch of 18 was destroyed while being shipped from one clinic to another.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford did she sue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260793) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: exciting out-of-control mexican library Damages would be pretty low (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260815) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat she'd have to prove she could get fertilized. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260818) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260822) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: exciting out-of-control mexican library lol, even then. Dried up shrew eggs are not exactly commanding top dollar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260835) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 6:05 PM Author: big gold crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35262379) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 7:22 PM Author: bright trip jewess temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35263099) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: glittery zippy house toilet seat alpha surfers grilling them up with spam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260794) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: charismatic aqua theatre people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260974) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:42 AM Author: Mind-boggling Psychic Circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266749) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2021 6:08 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#42147878) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:49 PM Author: sadistic multi-billionaire Hawaii judge giggling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272187) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 4:46 PM Author: Vivacious idiot JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35289739) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: Violent Garnet Party Of The First Part Plaza Women who are not married by 25 are broken failures. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260856) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Pale hell wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35260979) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: light talking cruise ship mood A bit harsh, I’d say 30 probably, assuming you’re willing to have kids ASAP after and only want a couple.
The problem is that to be married by 30, you need to be pursuing marriage-track relationships exclusively by 25 if not earlier, not app-whoring for Chad. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:48 AM Author: razzle home (dude dating a 29 year old tinder girl) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266432) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: light talking cruise ship mood Married with (naturally-conceived) kids actually, but thanks.
In observing my wife’s friends over the years, this (married by 30) seems to be the dividing line for likely-happy vs. likely-unhappy outcomes. Of course there’s nothing wrong with getting it done earlier if you can. The key is that they’ve got to be actually married by 30. That means pursuing marriage-track men and marriage-track relationships throughout your mid-20s. Shrews wake up at 29 and behave as if they’d never even thought of it before. |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:07 PM Author: Hot mauve knife 36! That's when women are at their prime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261129) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 2:53 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison So the poster child for this new fad was 39 when she froze her eggs? Why even bother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261021) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:01 PM Author: Violent Garnet Party Of The First Part Plaza There's a ridiculous shrew at my firm who became a single mother on purpose, twice, by mid--30s. She complains a lot about out of control son and lack of dates (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272307) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison "But that painful March day, when the last of her frozen eggs failed to produce a pregnancy, Adams said she realized how one-sided the conversation about egg freezing had been, and how little information was available about what she calls “part two” — when you actually try to use those eggs to get pregnant."
Gee it's almost like women impulsively jumped into this and literally put all their eggs in one very attractive but poorly tested basket. |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 7:18 PM Author: Vibrant Frozen Nowag Rehab You're on a roll ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35263064) |
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Date: January 30th, 2018 9:52 AM Author: Green athletic conference meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35276088) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: Galvanic Macaca If my daughter goes to school she is having her eggs frozen at 18. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261362) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 3:43 PM Author: bearded native It doesn’t work amazingly well for women at any age. The biggest problem is when they unfreeze any egg it may kill or disrupt the egg
This process works better if you freeze a fertilized egg |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 4:02 PM Author: angry tank range WGWAG
In 2008, Lee was 37 and starting to think about children just as egg freezing was taking off. She had been dating a great guy she met at the McLean Bible Church and, despite their different backgrounds — he is a Korean American engineer and entrepreneur, she is a Hungarian-German-Irish nurse from a military family — they seemed to click. But she was in Seattle and he was in Virginia, which made their future somewhat iffy.
Carolyn Goerig Lee embraces David Lee, 2, while Clara Lee and Michael Lee, both 4, play at their home in Haymarket, Va. (Carolyn Van Houten/The Washington Post)
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2018/01/CVH_8171.jpg&w=1484 |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 4:10 PM Author: appetizing masturbator office this might be #1 in the xo category of "white striver shrew". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261514) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35262346) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 5:09 PM Author: crimson bat-shit-crazy roast beef she has the stocky, masculine "aspect" you often see in lesbians. women like that tend to have higher-T and plan their lives more like males, which collides very violently with the biological constraints of fertility and age. many such cases. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261951) |
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Date: January 28th, 2018 6:10 PM Author: big gold crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35262411) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:55 AM Author: idiotic diverse tanning salon Women are ofc highly impressionable by social convention and prestigious sanction. In a functioning society we would not leave the socialization and imprinting of women to a (((marketplace))) of flame.
Sad. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:38 AM Author: Thriller Property Hunting Ground "I'm disheartened that I'll never have children; that thousands of years of my ancestral lineage will be snuffed by my hand alone. But, that said, I have much to be proud of. I have created some really innovative marketing campaigns for my employer and was even recognized at the holiday party once. In many ways, my company's unique database management software for mid market industrial smelting firms will be my progeny." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266733) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:52 AM Author: wonderful church JFC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266778) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:17 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266836) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267869) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:55 PM Author: Sepia Corn Cake Holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269839) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: idiotic diverse tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35270052) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:17 PM Author: big gold crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35270059) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:18 PM Author: sadistic multi-billionaire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272485) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 4:39 PM Author: bateful parlor Is this real (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35289695) |
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Date: February 1st, 2018 8:36 PM Author: Thriller Property Hunting Ground To me it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35299993) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 6:49 PM Author: canary effete pocket flask gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35290686) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:47 AM Author: Mind-boggling Psychic Circlehead End of the story says she is now pregnant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266768) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:57 AM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison With donor egg and donor sperm. She’s basically pregnant with her adopted baby. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266793) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:38 AM Author: Black main people dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266876) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: vigorous maniacal factory reset button whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267330) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2021 6:09 PM Author: chocolate flatulent piazza halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#42147887) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:52 AM Author: wonderful church In an age when egg freezing has become so popular that hip employers such as Apple and Facebook cover it as a perk In an age when egg freezing has become so popular that hip employers such as Apple and Facebook cover it as a perk In an age when egg freezing has become so popular that hip employers such as Apple and Facebook cover it as a perk In an age when egg freezing has become so popular that hip employers such as Apple and Facebook cover it as a perk In an age when egg freezing has become so popular that hip employers such as Apple and Facebook cover it as a perk In an age when egg freezing has become so popular that hip employers such as Apple and Facebook cover it as a perk |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:58 AM Author: Thriller Property Hunting Ground We're basically set up for the premise of Idiocracy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266795) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: vigorous maniacal factory reset button whorehouse watched it a couple of days ago and lol'd hard at the opening "kids? in this market? i don't think so!" |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: Thriller Property Hunting Ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268178) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:59 AM Author: sick bull headed forum does the journalist really not understand what he's saying here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267977) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:17 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency this thread is a powerhouse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266837) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:52 AM Author: titillating sneaky criminal The only reason you guys care about this is because you are bitter that women would rather risk infertility than engage in a disastrous family life with someone she never wanted. This is a net benefit for everyone: one less loveless marriage, one less unfortunate birth, one less Honda clogging the interstates. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266902) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:57 AM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison Or perhaps they've been encouraged to EAT PRAY LOVE their 20s away, then find that by their 30s all the good men are taken (or want only to buy "lightly used" models) but CHAD hooked up with me a few times so that's what I DESERVE and will hold out for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266916) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 9:00 AM Author: titillating sneaky criminal And? You're bitter about it. Would it make you feel better to have her settle for someone like you knowing damn well she would do otherwise if given the opportunity? Who wants to live a lie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266923) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 9:24 AM Author: canary effete pocket flask gas station Lol @ thinking this delusional middle-aged GC marketing automaton could even find someone to settle for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35266990) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison lol wut?
*Doesn't want to live a lie*
*Convinces self that harvesting and freezing eggs at 39 is a good idea* |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:12 AM Author: Exhilarant learning disabled hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267264) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: titillating sneaky criminal You didn't answer my question, odd case. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267325) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison lol totally misread your post.
I'm a married woman w three kids. HTH. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:04 AM Author: light talking cruise ship mood 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267593) |
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Date: January 30th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: crusty buff pozpig station He’s implying your husband is a beta loser you settled for. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35275968) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 4:42 PM Author: titillating sneaky criminal Nah, I'm sure she's happy with her husband. My point is that THIS woman wouldn't be. You can tell when someone really wants you or is just settling. We would all be better off if no one settled, which, like all good wisdom, runs contrary to popular opinion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35289714) |
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Date: January 30th, 2018 9:55 AM Author: Green athletic conference meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35276110) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: Sepia Corn Cake I'm confused. I always thought "Get Thee..." was female.
Your question assumes that given less options, women would feel like they're settling for a guy. I think it's more likely that the better opportunity is extremely deceptive since a woman can have a much bigger pool of potential sexual/romantic partners than marriage partners. Many women aren't very good at distinguishing the difference hence their disillusionment in their mid-to-late 30s over why none of these guys she's dated and fucked panned out.
This mistake is costly for both men and women hence men's bitterness at this folly. For the reasons already mentioned, yes, it's costly for women who wait to long to have a baby. But it's also costly for the men who would've otherwise married these women because now they're left with used up, bitter, and jaded women who have had too many failed relationships to ever fully trust a man or be vulnerable again, oh and they're infertile. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:08 AM Author: light talking cruise ship mood Spot on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267629) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:29 PM Author: Galvanic Macaca 180. women's lib was a mistake and so was the 19th amendment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269168) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:33 AM Author: soul-stirring public bath dysfunction you're responding to a woman you idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267382) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:40 AM Author: titillating sneaky criminal How was I supposed to know that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267418) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:37 AM Author: vigorous maniacal factory reset button whorehouse plz elaborate in lurid detail on how u think are hapless shrew, a woman, settling for gtttr, also a woman, would solve reproductive issues, thank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267407) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: coiffed demanding place of business brother even we chads (btw) find this arc of modern society abhorrent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267504) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: titillating sneaky criminal It's not pretty but there's nothing to be done about it. The root causes are deeper than GC and feminism: overpopulation, mercenary capitalism, a world that gives cultured people no option but to flee the teeming masses and hole up in a womb with a view. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267546) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:22 AM Author: coiffed demanding place of business So we're not allowed to whine about modern society because there's nothing to be done? Might as well shut down the board then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267719) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:25 AM Author: titillating sneaky criminal Fair point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267740) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:47 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency Stop being such a contrarian u dummy
Xo is right here |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:19 PM Author: motley lay kitty cat Why are you so laser focused on settling as the issue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268571) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:47 PM Author: titillating sneaky criminal Because that is the issue. Women don't like to settle, and if they do settle it usually means a bad time for both parties. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268824) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:54 PM Author: motley lay kitty cat No. It's *an* issue.
Other issues:
1. Even if you find someone who meets your minimum requirements, you can hold out for someone who is better. That isn't aversion to settling. That's a maximizing vs. satisficing issue.
2. Even if you find someone who meets your minimum requirements (or is perfect), you might wait for another person because you have other values (e.g., career advancement, eat pray love). |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: Mind-boggling Psychic Circlehead The reason your choice is between "risk infertility" and "disastrous family life" is because women have been sold a bill of goods by GC and feminism. They can have it all! Everyone laugh at the image of the 1950s housewife! The choice may have been a decent family life if she would have been willing to make concessions here and there. As it is she will be a single mother of someone else's biological baby at 50 years old. All that said, I don't disagree with your statement of what the current reality is (i.e., one less loveless marriage, etc.) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:13 AM Author: sick bull headed forum very sad. I feel for her the same way I feel for people who got conned into TTTT law schools at $30K in 2008, and after-the-fact gloating at either is unseemly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267273) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:32 AM Author: Mind-boggling Psychic Circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267377) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:34 AM Author: fishy aromatic orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267388) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:38 AM Author: vigorous maniacal factory reset button whorehouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267408) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:49 AM Author: spectacular khaki church building international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267897) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:24 PM Author: laughsome space trump supporter lol no, most ppl conned into TTTT law schools are hopelessly dumb. she knew what she was getting into (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269528) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:49 AM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression If she’s educated and intelligent, there’s no way she wouldn’t have known that nearly 40 year year old eggs are crappy and she needed at least 20+ to have good odds. Reproductive tech has improved a lot such that the odds are better with IVF with a healthy embryo, but there’s nothing you can do about declining fertility. If you want to freeze your eggs, do it before 35 and get 20+. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267480) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 10:52 AM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison I'm going to guess at that point she already felt defeated and figured maybe this bought her better odds in a few years than she would have otherwise. There's also always the possibility that some of these women would have had trouble getting pregnant regardless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267494) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:57 AM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression If I were 39 and still single and wanted a child, I’d pursue the adoption route right away rather than freeze eggs and hold out for bio children “one day.” There are plenty of needy children in this world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267955) |
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Date: January 30th, 2018 9:03 AM Author: angry tank range I can understand the allure of biological children. But if my wife and I couldn't have our own bio kids we'd absolutely adopt. What's crazy about this bitch is that she's having a kid from sperm and egg donors anyway. Like, if its not evrn gonna be biologically yours, why not just fucking adopt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35275795) |
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Date: January 31st, 2018 6:51 PM Author: idiotic diverse tanning salon LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35290696) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address In her defense, you’re sort of imputing today’s knowledge to a decision made a long time ago before people knew much about how frozen eggs would work.
It’s also her doctor’s job to tell her this shit as though she’s an idiot, even if you think she should have known. I’d take her at her word that no one ever advised her about it. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression She froze her eggs like 5-6 years ago, not decades ago. Also the idea that the quality of your eggs decline dramatically in your 30s and basically becomes complete garbage by 40 is not new knowledge developed over the last decade. As an intelligent woman, it shouldn’t be surprising that when you start with garbage eggs, you’re not going to get a viable pregnancy in the end. No doctor needed to provide obvious advice. These women haven’t been misled by anything other than their own hubris in thinking that they can beat the biological clock by throwing money at the problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35267926) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:14 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address 5-6 years ago, probably fewer than 2000 people had tried to conceive with frozen eggs if I had to guesstimate based on that chart (which shows freezings, not thawings). It looks like as late as 2009, there were only like 500 people per year freezing their eggs.
Regardless, it's idiotic to expect her to know the risks, and i take her at her word that doctors gave her a false sense of the ease of conception with frozen eggs.
And plenty of 40-year-old women conceive naturally. I can't believe I'm the one defending the subject of the article, but you're being way too harsh.
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression Again how many women are actually freezing her eggs is irrelevant. You don’t need to know anything about egg freezing and then using them for conception to know about female fertility and egg quality. It’s common knowledge that a woman who is 40 has shit eggs and is going to have great difficulty conceiving naturally or using reproductive tech. “Plenty” of women conceiving naturally at 40 is anecdotal and not based on well known stats. Women face big fertility cliffs at 35, 37, and then at 40. It’s not just getting pregnant, but dramatic rises in rates of miscarriage, genetic problems and high risk pregnancies and child births. Nature does not want women having kids after 40.
That she, a supposedly well educated woman, didn’t know that 39 year old eggs are shitty, regardless of whether she wanted to freeze them or try for a child naturally at that point in her life, is 100% on her. Has she never heard of googling “fertility of 40 year old”? What makes this even more irresponsible of her is that she then goes out and tells women that egg freezing is the solution and god knows how many women read her article and thought this was a good idea for them too. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address you're just rehashing the same thing to which i already responded. everyone knows that fertility declines, which is why they're freezing their eggs. as one of the first few people to try this, it's not like there was a ton of research she could read.
there's no way for a layperson to know, especially as one of the first few thousand people to even try to conceive with frozen eggs, whether 10 or 20 or 50 is enough, so we rely on advice from doctors. unless you think she's lying about the medical advice she received, it's hard to see why you're being so harsh.
also, lol at your incoherence - "numbers don't matter, everyone knows old women are less fertile" "evidence of 40-year old women conceiving is anecdotal"
yeah, she probably took it too far by becoming an advocate for egg freezing without any real medical background beyond what her doctors told her, but that's a totally separate issue. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:26 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison "everyone knows that fertility declines, which is why they're freezing their eggs."
Nutella's point is that having low quality eggs, something this woman should have known, would already make it difficult to conceive successfully. Low quality eggs are less likely to fertilize, implant, etc. Freezing old meat doesn't make it any fresher when you defrost it. This woman probably convinced herself she was freezing time in a way, but at 39 she already had an uphill battle even if she tried to conceive right then. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:28 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35261172
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison I also said she probably wouldn't have listened to what they said anyway b/c she was high on taking charge of MUH reproduction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269177) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address yeah, i choose to ignore your imputation of mental states to people you don't know and instead focus on what she said, which is that she wasn't properly advised by self-interested or poorly-informed doctors intent on making a quick $20K. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269181) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison Maybe not. But again, she should have known it was already a long-shot given the CURRENT state of her eggs at the time. Something she should have been aware of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269244) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:58 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address this is insane.
the only way anyone knows whether a cutting-edge medical procedure is likely to succeed is by asking their doctors. unless you think she's lying about her doctors' advice, then it's hard to find her culpable for her eggs' failure. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:19 PM Author: violent citrine ticket booth "garbage in = garbage out" does not really require specialized knowledge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272505) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:05 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression Do you have any experience with egg retrieval, ivf, and fertility testing? They don’t allow egg retrieval until there’s a full fertility assessment prior to egg retrieval. This has always been the case because even if egg freezing for single women is a relatively new phenomenon, egg retrieval for women doing ivf has been around for many decades. They run various tests for hormones and figure out your ovarian reserve and other factors to see how many eggs you can retrieve per cycle and analyze your egg quality. These blood tests are done on various days of your cycle for every woman considering fertility treatments. Every women is given the results of such testing prior to egg retrieval. There is no chance that the place she went to did not run such tests and go over the results with her prior to doing a cycle. She either didn’t understand the results (unlikely) or decided to forge ahead regardless so that she can sell her story. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269392) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address did you even read the article?
Second, Adams said many clinics sell women on a single egg retrieval procedure without mentioning that more may be needed to harvest enough eggs to produce a successful pregnancy. This is what happened with Adams. When she recently reviewed her tests, she said they clearly showed that her fertility already had been in decline, suggesting that she would need more than 11 eggs to conceive. The lack of advice was “unconscionable,” she said. “I was never told that x, y and z were a possibility.”
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression i have no sympathy for an educated woman who can’t interpret or chose to ignore test results prior to spending $20k just so she can sell a story to Bloomberg. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269483) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:22 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address lol. okay. just do interpret your own medical tests instead of relying on your doctor to do it for you.
you should reread this exchange to see how ridiculous you sound.
and you have to choose to be very cynical to think she did this to sell a bloomberg story. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:35 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression I’ve gotten one of those reports and they’re not difficult to read. It shows your number and what the range should be. So if your ovarian reserve is 0.5 and a normal child bearing woman should be above 1, maybe you want to ask about that. Not rocket science, particularly for an “educated career woman.” Or maybe vassar didn’t teach her basic reading comp skills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269623) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address yeah, so we're back to you blaming her for relying on her doctors, which is basically the only argument you have and which virtually any reasonable person would reject. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269661) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:51 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression I’m blaming her for not reading the results of her report or ignoring it and not asking follow up questions. Her doctors did not lie to her about anything. They did the testing. Telling you you need more than one cycle is aggressive and not something docs would ever say upfront because the drugs are hard on the body and you don’t know how many eggs you might get on the first go. If there was a lack of communication between this woman and her doc after her first cycle about a game plan going forward, I don’t place the blame on the doc when all she had to do is ask a few follow up questions instead of rushing to sell her story about her fertility journey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269791) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:52 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address so you say she's lying and/or she should have been able to interpret her own tests. that's fine, but no objective, reasonable person would agree with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269812) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression Not sure who your “objective reasonable person” is but it should be somebody similarly situated to the women in the article. I’m speaking as an educated woman who has seen a number of fertility docs myself and have done all the testing those women would’ve done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269947) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:16 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address and how would you go about telling me whether she should have frozen 10, 20, 50, or 100 eggs (or 0 because failure was inevitable)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35270043) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 5:28 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression By googling for literally 10 min? You can find stats on how many embryos make it after genetic testing and implantation. Eggs are more unstable than embryos and using embryos has a baseline for chances gives you an idea. The overall national average for ivf success for women at 40 is about 20-30% (took 30 secs on google to find this). She can’t use this stat and her own test results to gauge the success of eggs making it? These stats were available 5 years ago too.
How would I know that if a woman is interested in freezing eggs, she should do it before 35 and get at least 20 if she wants at least one child? I didn’t have my eggs frozen and no doctor told me this. But I have something called common sense and basic reading comp skills to interpret stats and test results.
Why on earth would anybody not even do some basic research on publicly available info before to do egg retrieval? Again this is not a new technology and has been around for decades. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 5:39 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address i asked you how she would determine if she needs 10, 20, 50, or 100.
you just told me at least 20, but you didn't tell me how to calculate that figure based on your stupid google search, nor, more importantly, did you tell me how the average for a 40-year-old woman undergoing IVF would be applicable to someone freezing her eggs, nor, most importantly, did you tell me how to adjust the shit you find on google to account for her specific situation.
you seem totally unhinged. I don't even think you believe your own bullshit at this point. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 5:54 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression If you don’t know the relationship btwn egg retrieval/freezing and ivf, I can’t help you learn the basics that a simple google search will tell you. They are two parts of the same equation and anybody who freezes their eggs will later use ivf to get pregnant so ivf success rates are extremely relevant.
Anybody can figure out rough estimate based on google searching and I don’t need to spell it out for you. But for a woman who is considering doing this, it’s retarded not to do some basic research before plopping down money. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison See below. We are arguing about two different things. You and I are arguing that it didn’t make sense for her to do the procedure at all given the fact that her eggs were likely already garbage. His argument is that she did go through the procedure, and at that point the doctor should have advised her what things she could do to increase her chances of success (like harvesting more eggs), but failed to do so.
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Date: January 29th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address i think nutella is saying that it was this woman's responsibility to tell her doctor that she needs, e.g., 50 eggs instead of the 11 s/he recommended. I think that's nutella's actual opinion, which is absurd.
i suspect that this is because nutella has adopted a worldview in which it's okay to take financial or other advantage of people as long as they sign some boilerplate consent form because it's every man for himself. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 6:35 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression No, I think it’s this woman’s responsibility to tell her doc what her goals are. Many egg freezing candidates do so as an insurance policy and plan to conceive naturally. For those people, getting max numbers of eggs is not crucial. If she’d been clear that she’s counting on these eggs to get her close to 100% chance of a pregnancy, I’m sure her doc would’ve recommended more than one cycle. But likely she didn’t have the money for 2-3 cycles so the doc said let’s start with this one, see how many eggs you get go from there. And who knows what happened after the first cycle but the doc doesn’t have a duty to follow up in a few months and tell her “you should really do another cycle,” esp when this is an elective procedure.
I don’t think you understand what taking advantage, financially or otherwise, in this situation where this is an elective procedure. First, egg retrieval is difficult on the body and many docs will not allow back to back cycles due to the drugs. If anything, taking advantage of a woman in that situation is to say “ you need to do more cycles to get more eggs” since they get more money that way. But 10 eggs is a respectable number. We have no idea what happened after she did her first cycle but I’m willing to bet she did zero follow-up and zero research before she started publishing about it acting as if she’d succeeded. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address "No, I think it’s this woman’s responsibility to tell her doc what her goals are."
lolwut? like, showing up and saying, "i want to freeze my eggs" isn't enough? you think it's on her to specify to the doctor that she might want to use these frozen eggs to conceive?
your "insurance" argument is incoherent. what good is insurance if it's unlikely to work when needed?
you are inventing facts to buttress your argument. she specifically said no one ever told her that 11 eggs might not be enough.
maybe the doctor should have said, "you're a bad candidate for this." doing the procedure, collecting the money, and either knowing that it was unlikely to work or not caring whether it was likely to work is taking advantage.
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:05 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression Showing up and saying you want to freeze your eggs isn’t enough because people do it for different reasons. The “insurance” policy is when people plan on never using them because they plan on conceiving naturally with a partner. Its the same way people never want to use their car insurance. It’s not up to the doctor to figure out what your ultimate goal is or the doctor’s job to track you down 3 months after your first cycle to tell you to do another one. It’s not the same as prescribing a drug.
We only have this woman’s side of the story and not the doctor’s and based on my experience with various fertility docs, they never overpromise. You say I’m making up facts but I have a lot more experience and knowledge that you in this area and any woman who is of a certain age and concerned with her fertility cannot be as ignorant as she claims to be, particularly in the age of the internet. I do not trust her version of the events and find it incredibly hard to believe that a doctor misled her about her chances. She only heard what she wanted to hear because she was so focused on crafting her success story.
It’s clear I’m not going to convince you otherwise but a woman who wasted her prime fertile years who undoubtedly rejected a bunch of men who would be perfectly good marriage partners and encouraged other women to delay child bearing doesn’t need any sympathizers. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:08 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address it would be totally irrational to freeze enough eggs for an e.g., 30% chance of success, as an insurance policy. i'm shocked you'd even argue that.
i agree that we only have one side of the story which is why i have repeatedly added the caveat that i'm assuming she's telling the truth.
you're not going to convince me, and even though i'd probably never be friends with this woman, it's her doctor's fault for either misleading her or treating her improperly. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 6:21 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression I agree she should’ve known her fertility situation in the first place but i also think it’s ridiculous to expect a doctor to state extremely obvious things like “more eggs leads to higher chance of live birth” especially when fertility drugs are hard on on the body and docs don’t want to be encouraging older women to take these drugs for multiple cycles. All she had to was google “eggs to retrieve at age 40 for ivf” to get many many articles and discussions about the topic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35271229) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 6:33 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address lol. you "don't need to" because you can't because it's way more complicated than you seem to be willing to admit, which is why doctors who give this kind of advice have to meet all kinds of requirements that laypeople cannot meet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35271347) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 6:38 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression Just google “how many eggs to retrieve at 40 for ivf” read the first 4-5 links and you’ll quickly get a very good idea of those range of outcomes. One thing you’ll learn very quickly is that success is low, which is all this woman needed to know before she decided to spend tons of money on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35271397) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 6:42 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address (medmal attorney arguing to jury that patient assumed the risk by not googling) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35271445) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison So they tested her then but she did not ask to see them then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269494) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address laypeople are not typically capable of interpreting medical tests.
do you think there was a test that said, "YOU NEED TO FREEZE 50 EGGS FOR A 90% CHANCE OF A LIVE BIRTH" at the top?
This is why rely on (licensed) doctors instead of reddit. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison I get a full blood panel every year. It's not hard to read what normal vs out of range is. You think a guy can't read a fertility test regarding sperm count and motility? If you're not sure about a number, you ask.
I don't doubt the doctor might have made it seem like more of a guarantee than it was, but I also think this woman was willfully ignorant about her own fertility and chances of success. If you're planning on hedging all your fertility bets on this procedure, then you should get all the facts. She didn't do that until afterward. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address this is absurd.
of course she can read it and see what's out of range. the issue is interpreting it, which i would not expect her to be able to do (especially back then when freezing/thawing/conceiving was still very new).
just like i could read a sperm count test, but i can't tell you how my results translate to likelihood of conception in a particular timeframe. that's why these tests are ordered and delivered to doctors.
i mean, if you think she's a fucking liar, then fine, but you have to make that assumption to see her as culpable in this situation, and I do not think there is any evidence of that.
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison "This test says normal cholesterol is under 200. Mine is 250. Should I be worried?"
This is a normal question when interpreting a medical test. She doesn't indicate that any kind of conversation like that was had.
I had an elective procedure done once (not plastic surgery). I had to read, initial, and sign multiple forms laying out the risks, including that the procedure didn't work. As I read, I asked the doctor "how often does x happen? What's the worst issue you've had with a patient? What is most common and what is the usual outcome?" etc. She either had that conversation or she didn't, but she certainly doesn't indicate that she tried to. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:15 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address the more analogous situation is, "This test says normal cholestorol is <200. Mine is 250. My doctor prescribed me 200mg of lipitor. Shouldn't i actually be on 400mg?"
Maybe you think patients should be responsible for this kind of thing, but virtually no one else does. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: hairraiser travel guidebook garrison Fair point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35270172) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression If “everyone” knows fertility declines after 35, then why doesn’t a supposedly educated woman ignorant of the fact that freezing old 39 year old eggs doesn’t make the eggs any fresher once they try to use them? She chose to ignore the reality because her narcissism was chasing the publicity of the “having it all” narrative she can sell to Bloomberg.
And yes, numbers don’t lie. A 40 year old has about a 5% chance of conceiving naturally per cycle. So you may characterize 5% as “plenty” of women, but those odds are bleak. And this is only conception and does not factor in that the miscarriage rate for 40 year olds is around 35%. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address cannot believe how dense you are (or are trying to be).
why wouldn't she take her doctors' advice at face value? because "nutella" knows better?
unless you think she is lying, it's her doctor's fault for not properly advising her.
but please, do tell me how she should have known the appropriate number of eggs to freeze in this situation. or is your view that she should have known this would fail no matter what her doctors said? |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:18 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression “Second, Adams said many clinics sell women on a single egg retrieval procedure without mentioning that more may be needed to harvest enough eggs to produce a successful pregnancy. This is what happened with Adams. When she recently reviewed her tests, she said they clearly showed that her fertility already had been in decline, suggesting that she would need more than 11 eggs to conceive. The lack of advice was “unconscionable,” she said. “I was never told that x, y and z were a possibility.”
So let me get this straight. Her test results “clearly” show that her fertility is in decline and instead of seeing that as an indication that she needs more eggs to up her odds or ask questions about how realistic this is, she decided to go ahead anyway. This isn’t even like law school career services lied to her about employment stats, she just ignored the results in the first place.
Also fertility clinics are required to report IVF success rates and she can easily search those on the internet. Pretending she was never told “x y z was never a possibility” when there is so much info out there is just a function of her being bitter in retrospect that her story did not work out in the way she wanted. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address JFC i'm responding to this same idiotic argument above. laypeople are not generally capable of interpreting their test results and so rely on doctors.
i am certain that the test did not say, "YOU NEED TO FREEZE 50 EGGS TO ACHIEVE A 90% LIKELIHOOD OF A LIVE BIRTH" in big bold letters at the top.
of course, the postmortem is different from the original exam. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression An educated career woman is a layperson? Laypersons do not have money to afford expensive elective fertility treatments, much less write blogs and articles about taking charge of your fertility. We are not talking about a welfare mom on Medicaid who doesn’t speak English. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269669) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address yeah, just like your average medical doctor is a layperson with regard to tort law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269700) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:03 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression What the hell are you saying?
The state of tort law is such that your average doctors always hedge and always under promise. Particularly for fertility docs, the stats for success rates through ivf are published so they can’t inflate outcomes even if they wanted to.
Thing is, the women in the article can’t really have it both ways. They can’t really portray themselves as intelligent, educated women in charge of their fertility and then turn around and be vulnerable victimized women who were preyed upon by unscrupulous fertility doctors.
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address excuse me while i hire a medial doctor to represent me in a slip and fall case.
yes, a smart, capable person can be a victim of an unscrupulous doctor (or lawyer or building contractor or landlord or whatever). ESPECIALLY in situations like this. that's why we have regulatory bodies for professionals.
you sound absolutely absurd and unhinged. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:24 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression A smart capable person can be a victim of an unscrupulous doctor.
Is this a situation where this happened. Absolutely not. Egg retrieval is not a new technology since IVF has been around forever, fertility stats are well known, fertility testing results are easily interpreted.
I’m not sure why you feel a need to defend affluent, educated women who have delayed childbearing thinking they can just relay on technology later in life. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 4:33 PM Author: Filthy Fragrant Address i'm defending this particular woman in this particular case because the evidence i see suggests she was not culpable for her failure to conceive successfully, and it seems like you and most of the other people here are unfairly maligning her for some reason.
at base, it seems this is a case where she was ill-advised by her doctors.
i don't think that people should be responsible for interpreting labs and second-guessing their doctors' advice, which is what you have to believe if you accept that she isn't lying and you think she's at fault.
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:18 PM Author: Odious Godawful Persian Field 5% per cycle is about a 45% chance over 12 cycles of at least one pregnancy so even with miscarriages it's about a one third chance over a year. Not good odds but not bleak. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269476) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 3:32 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression Except the 5% per cycle does not stay steady through 12 cycles when you go from 40 to 41 the way your chances stay steady when you’re 30 to 31. And assuming youre not miscarriage-pwned, you are at much higher risk to have a child with genetic issues in your 40s. You can screen for downs but not other stuff.
It’s a disservice for feminism to sell to women that you can have perfectly healthy children well into your 40s. Even if you can have healthy kids, parenting young children is physically exhausting. Old parents don’t have the energy. Women should really be done with having children by 35. 30 is better but I understand that is not realistic given career and financial considerations nowadays. It doesn’t help women to be delusional about their fertility.
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Date: January 29th, 2018 8:17 PM Author: violent citrine ticket booth I don't think it's idiotic to think that an educated woman should understand that something done less than a few thousand times, ever, in the history of the world, is not a guaranteed success. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272475) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 12:06 PM Author: nubile cheese-eating locus "educated and intelligent" people are more likely to use their ~intelligence~ to improvise reasons to believe things they wish to be true. all you need is a social context that encourages that (by tabooing the sharing of unpleasant realities).
freezing your eggs before 35 requires at least some amount of non-delusion. women who are 30, who are inclined to try and predict what the next five years of their dating lives will be like (already a minority) just assume it'll be like the last 5 years, only somehow mysteriously better (because they know themselves, know what they want now, whatever other dumb cliches they hear from daytime TV to replace "magic")
IME the only women freezing eggs at 30 (the correct time) usually have serious (often unwarranted) self-esteem issues and so are excessively paranoid about foreveralone/fetal-death, or some other psychological tics that make them simply not operate mentally like "normal people" (autism, ironically). normal 30 year olds, no matter how smart, do NOT think about this shit |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: mewling bistre indirect expression 30 year olds wouldn’t think of freeze eggs just like a 22 year old wouldn’t be doing online dating, but certainly by 35, most women know the reality of their declining fertility. I don’t know any single girl who didn’t start getting desperate about marriage at 32-33 since it take a few years to meet someone and get married. Egg freezing around that time would be a nice insurance policy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35269039) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:34 PM Author: laughsome space trump supporter nutella, you are vastly overestimating the intelligence of highly educated women (and men). many, hell, probably most highly educated people are incredible dumbs who believe in idiotic things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272040) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 11:45 AM Author: shivering floppy laser beams She really shouldn't be an old, single mother anyway. For a bunch of reasons.
Also, anyone waiting this long wasn't exactly making this her primary life goal anyway. And I say this as someone who has delayed forever himself. |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 12:22 PM Author: lake marvelous box office crotch While it is sad what happened to her, I think there's a very high likelihood that she is the type of person that would support lower standards of due process for men accused of sexual misconduct, restrictions on free speech for anyone who disasagrees with the prog ideology, open borders, etc. So it's not like she's just a dupe who was sold a bad bill of goods, she's also a cog in the machine that is setting out to ruin her host society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268149) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 1:20 PM Author: shivering floppy laser beams Speaking of which, if she had a girl she would destroy them with this same nonsense and be a horrible role model. If she had a boy, well, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35268577) |
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Date: January 29th, 2018 2:37 PM Author: Sepia Corn Cake This is exactly the reason why promiscuity had historically been discouraged by society. Both men and women policed women for slutty behavior because society recognized this would be the end result. Men frowned upon the Lotharios and seducers as well, though secretly envious, they recognized seducing young women was harmful to society due to the after effects.
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Date: January 29th, 2018 7:57 PM Author: Tantric Parlour Jap she would make a terrible mother so it's for the best (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35272266) |
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Date: January 30th, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Irradiated low-t area She is pregnant with someone else's eggs and sperm. She's going to be an old terrible mother, just with someone else's genetics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3873872&forum_id=2#35275977) |
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Date: August 8th, 2018 1:49 AM Author: motley lay kitty cat Wifes friend cant accept her dating options
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