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Here are a couple poems i wrote in 1995. lol i found them cleaning up.

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Umber degenerate
  02/18/18
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stirring jew halford
  02/18/18
i am embarrassed having read it
disrespectful church building
  02/18/18
you were like 27 back then.
bossy bat shit crazy menage
  02/18/18
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Garnet Crawly Becky
  02/18/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/18/18
you'd be a black great grandfather by now.
bossy bat shit crazy menage
  02/18/18
cr. I am living like someone in the future w a 200 year lif...
Umber degenerate
  02/18/18
It's word for water is diminishment
Exhilarant lavender location incel
  02/18/18
I remember i really liked that line. something like that was...
Umber degenerate
  02/18/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/18/18
This one is the best. The first one would be good if it star...
Milky pistol electric furnace
  02/19/18
haha yeah. I guess so. I have more ... not with me, but at...
Umber degenerate
  02/19/18
I like this one
Sick Box Office Rigpig
  02/19/18
Interesting - I didn't mind the first two but this one is a ...
irradiated alcoholic locus main people
  02/19/18
Yep, lawyer now. I know--its funny that you say that abo...
Umber degenerate
  02/19/18
Trying to make it look like a slug is a little much, but you...
Milky pistol electric furnace
  02/19/18
lol yeah. heh. I was intimidated by any strict form but I w...
Umber degenerate
  02/19/18
lol that’s actually pretty good
Dashing Gunner Mother
  02/19/18
i like this one
contagious tanning salon
  02/19/18
The others were terrible, this one is 180 (although the jury...
Swashbuckling pearly ape
  02/28/18
Eh half of why any poem works is in the end unintentional, f...
Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
okay that one was fine
Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night
  03/02/18
this was good, spaceporn. repoast it, plz.
trip costumed shrine round eye
  04/24/18
I aim to please. imgurs giving me trouble right now but I wi...
Umber degenerate
  04/24/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/19/18
beautiful. thanks for sharing.
Impertinent friendly grandma
  02/19/18
tyty Maybe I'll put up some more, from when I was in my l...
Umber degenerate
  02/19/18
Great writing for a small child!
fragrant outnumbered sound barrier hospital
  02/19/18
I know, rite!
Umber degenerate
  02/19/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/20/18
Wily niggers indeed
Swashbuckling pearly ape
  02/28/18
180. I saw that too! Lol I knew what's up
Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/20/18
You published them?
Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night
  03/02/18
yeah, sorry to say--some of them I did, here and there.
Umber degenerate
  03/02/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/20/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/26/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/27/18
is there any money anymore in poetry? like fellowships or g...
Exciting Rambunctious Athletic Conference National Security Agency
  02/28/18
I guess. I know a few poets--most of them are hooked up wit...
Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
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Wine chapel
  02/28/18
i get embarrassed reading people's poems about 99% of the ti...
elite coiffed half-breed
  02/28/18
Yeah, same here.
Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
man these are bad, but i dont like poetry generally
excitant ruddy pisswyrm
  02/28/18
Time well spent...
Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
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comical hateful address
  02/28/18
Literally shuddered reading these
curious genital piercing quadroon
  02/28/18
Honestly, the average for most people "in" to writ...
Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
Screw the haters. We've seen those clowns struggle to string...
soul-stirring sadistic native fanboi
  02/28/18
Thanks man!
Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
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comical hateful address
  02/28/18
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excitant ruddy pisswyrm
  02/28/18
cr. lmao at LathamTouchedMe trying to get some dick.
Self-absorbed Range
  02/28/18
This sounds right. The slug one is ok tho.
Vermilion tank
  02/28/18
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Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
Love poem is verbatim third eye blind lyrics
Vigorous Orange School
  02/28/18
When i was in hs spanish class i told a dude i was an awesom...
Umber degenerate
  02/28/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/01/18
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3907655&mc=2...
Umber degenerate
  03/01/18
after a certain point humanities academics becomes less abou...
Umber degenerate
  03/02/18
It's about a small failure = "you have not failed at an...
Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night
  03/02/18
nah I just cut out the title for obvious reasons and wanted ...
Umber degenerate
  03/02/18
140 IQ, folks
Pontificating bateful faggotry
  03/02/18
You should use more pronouns.
Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night
  03/02/18
Yeah I was on a "second person" "you" ki...
Umber degenerate
  03/02/18
100% of poetry is faggot. this is no different.
aphrodisiac misunderstood plaza people who are hurt
  03/02/18
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Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night
  03/03/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/03/18
GIRLS ARE SMILING FROM ESCALATORS
Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night
  03/03/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/03/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/03/18
Ah, poesy!
charismatic parlour
  03/03/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/05/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/20/18
abandoned this too early--seems like only a start. What a l...
Umber degenerate
  03/20/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/20/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/26/18
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Umber degenerate
  03/26/18


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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: stirring jew halford



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: disrespectful church building

i am embarrassed having read it

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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: bossy bat shit crazy menage

you were like 27 back then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430826)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Garnet Crawly Becky



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Umber degenerate

22

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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: bossy bat shit crazy menage

you'd be a black great grandfather by now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430836)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:44 PM
Author: Umber degenerate

cr. I am living like someone in the future w a 200 year lifespan. Gotta cut that shit out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430852)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: Exhilarant lavender location incel

It's word for water is diminishment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430866)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: Umber degenerate

I remember i really liked that line. something like that was a logical conclusion for the idea that rocks get broken up over time. So what would happen to the key inside. lol at me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35430887)



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Date: February 18th, 2018 12:59 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: Milky pistol electric furnace

This one is the best. The first one would be good if it started with the word "Olympian"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435803)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

haha yeah. I guess so. I have more ... not with me, but at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435811)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: Sick Box Office Rigpig

I like this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435810)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: irradiated alcoholic locus main people

Interesting - I didn't mind the first two but this one is a little too kitschy.

And now you're a shitlawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435821)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

Yep, lawyer now.

I know--its funny that you say that about this one. Bros who aren't "into" poems generally like this one--which I wrote like I was doing a crossword puzzle, counting out syllables only. It also has some humor, which some of my poems of the time lacked. This was one of my earliest efforts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435837)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: Milky pistol electric furnace

Trying to make it look like a slug is a little much, but you were 20.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435851)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

lol yeah. heh. I was intimidated by any strict form but I was drawn to the discipline or puzzle aspect of it so I figured I would try something I thought would be easy. easier than a sonnet at least. Although even w sonnets, the more you practice, the better you get.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435865)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: Dashing Gunner Mother

lol that’s actually pretty good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435839)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:56 AM
Author: contagious tanning salon

i like this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435917)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:30 AM
Author: Swashbuckling pearly ape

The others were terrible, this one is 180 (although the jury's out on whether the reason it's 180 are unintentional)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504291)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:04 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

Eh half of why any poem works is in the end unintentional, fortuitous meteor, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504634)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night

okay that one was fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519367)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: trip costumed shrine round eye

this was good, spaceporn. repoast it, plz.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35910657)



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Date: April 24th, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: Umber degenerate

I aim to please. imgurs giving me trouble right now but I will

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35911064)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:28 AM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: Impertinent friendly grandma

beautiful. thanks for sharing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435828)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

tyty

Maybe I'll put up some more, from when I was in my late 20s. I'll keep them in this thread so as not to annoy the fuck out of people who don't care.

I wont put up any I actually published, for fear of getting outted by some doobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435842)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:41 AM
Author: fragrant outnumbered sound barrier hospital

Great writing for a small child!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435848)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

I know, rite!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35435866)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 8:54 AM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:32 AM
Author: Swashbuckling pearly ape

Wily niggers indeed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504292)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

180. I saw that too! Lol I knew what's up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504598)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 8:56 AM
Author: Umber degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35443650)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night

You published them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519363)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

yeah, sorry to say--some of them I did, here and there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519382)



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Date: February 20th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: February 26th, 2018 2:21 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: February 27th, 2018 9:30 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35497325)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:51 AM
Author: Exciting Rambunctious Athletic Conference National Security Agency

is there any money anymore in poetry? like fellowships or grants or prizes and so on?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504306)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

I guess. I know a few poets--most of them are hooked up with universities as teachers, or the spouse makes the money, or there's a trust fund, or some combination of all three. There's usually $5K here and there in prize money those guys occasionally pick up every couple of years. Def not something you can raise a family on though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504729)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 4:25 AM
Author: Wine chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504289)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 5:33 AM
Author: elite coiffed half-breed

i get embarrassed reading people's poems about 99% of the time.

this is no exception.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504320)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:37 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

Yeah, same here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504548)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:29 AM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:40 AM
Author: excitant ruddy pisswyrm

man these are bad, but i dont like poetry generally

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504559)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

Time well spent...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504601)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:42 AM
Author: comical hateful address



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:00 AM
Author: curious genital piercing quadroon

Literally shuddered reading these

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504605)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

Honestly, the average for most people "in" to writing poetry is WAY worse. Not praising myself, just keeping it real. Go to any open mic night. Holy fuck. Bunch of retards. Same goes for most schools lit mags.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504667)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: soul-stirring sadistic native fanboi

Screw the haters. We've seen those clowns struggle to string together a few coherent sentences. These are really good for an amateur writer. Great command of language, nice imagery, fun rhythm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504698)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

Thanks man!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504714)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: comical hateful address



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Date: February 28th, 2018 9:32 AM
Author: excitant ruddy pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35504723)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:54 PM
Author: Self-absorbed Range

cr. lmao at LathamTouchedMe trying to get some dick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509625)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: Vermilion tank

This sounds right. The slug one is ok tho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509649)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: Umber degenerate

Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land.

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Date: February 28th, 2018 7:59 PM
Author: Vigorous Orange School

Love poem is verbatim third eye blind lyrics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509651)



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Date: February 28th, 2018 8:07 PM
Author: Umber degenerate

When i was in hs spanish class i told a dude i was an awesome poet and i wrote out the lyrics to john lennon's images of broken light song and passed it to him and he read it and nodded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35509707)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35516814)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 7:02 PM
Author: Umber degenerate

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3907655&mc=2&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35516854)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:54 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

after a certain point humanities academics becomes less about how much you know or how talented you are and more about how gay-sexy you can be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519351)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night

It's about a small failure = "you have not failed at anything colossal"

Way to turn text into subtext, spaceporn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519400)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

nah I just cut out the title for obvious reasons and wanted to be clear what the poem was about, notwitstanding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519413)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:56 AM
Author: Pontificating bateful faggotry

140 IQ, folks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519355)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:57 AM
Author: Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night

You should use more pronouns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519358)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 8:58 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

Yeah I was on a "second person" "you" kick for a long time. I don't know--it just had that "talking to myself" quality that I liked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519369)



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Date: March 2nd, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: aphrodisiac misunderstood plaza people who are hurt

100% of poetry is faggot. this is no different.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35519645)



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35526497)



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: Citrine fiercely-loyal queen of the night

GIRLS ARE SMILING FROM ESCALATORS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35526551)



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:16 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: March 3rd, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: charismatic parlour

Ah, poesy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35526583)



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Date: March 5th, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Umber degenerate



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: Umber degenerate

abandoned this too early--seems like only a start. What a lazy bastard I was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35643994)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: Umber degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35643971)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35691483)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 12:52 PM
Author: Umber degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3896708&forum_id=2#35691528)