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What is this flame? Ragnus what's your take?
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
Dude, some ppl get engaged after 4 months and marry after le...
Abnormal fluffy degenerate
  02/19/18
getting engaged after 4 months w/o pregnancy seems like ment...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
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Racy yellow nursing home
  02/19/18
An acquaintance of mine did this when both he and his gf wer...
Abnormal fluffy degenerate
  02/19/18
"some ppl get engaged after 4 months and marry after le...
embarrassed to the bone ruddy internal respiration
  02/19/18
I proposed not even 6 months in. I knew I would like 3 month...
Mahogany cuck sanctuary
  02/19/18
LOL, you will get divorced within 15 years brother
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
you gotta wonder who would accept that quickly...she's over ...
Racy yellow nursing home
  02/19/18
I'm 36. She's 32. I don't know what dating a fuckton does. P...
Mahogany cuck sanctuary
  02/19/18
32? no wonder she accepted that early
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
the chemicals in your brain that make you feel in love dimin...
Smoky Business Firm
  02/19/18
my parents divorced after 20 years together, still plenty of...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
That's less true after 30 when everyone is basically damaged...
Mahogany cuck sanctuary
  02/19/18
you guys havent experienced any hardships yet (kids, illness...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
dating for 6 months vs. 2 yrs doesnt tell you how the relati...
Adventurous Pocket Flask Native
  02/19/18
sort of does. passing through holidays and birthdays and mee...
Racy yellow nursing home
  02/19/18
cr, also the longer you date, the more chance for grandparen...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
i dunno dood, we lived together for 5 years before we got ma...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
I could retire next week if I really wanted to. She's a musi...
Mahogany cuck sanctuary
  02/19/18
ok, dood. hope it works out, just i know enough couples who ...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
...
Racy yellow nursing home
  02/19/18
agree completely.
Adventurous Pocket Flask Native
  02/19/18
"shits fine" except the part where she demands...
Charismatic den chad
  02/19/18
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Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
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Comical factory reset button
  02/22/18
She sounds like a Jewish American Princess btw...good luck w...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
aren't jews supposed to be good with money?
Mischievous Patrolman
  02/19/18
not JAPs
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
We are more than comfortable. It's not as obscene as it soun...
Mahogany cuck sanctuary
  02/19/18
unless you're pulling 7 figures a year you probably should n...
Mischievous Patrolman
  02/19/18
...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
The divorce will cost you 10 times that
Painfully Honest Really Tough Guy National
  02/19/18
...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
But the court will accept his willingness to spend 140k on a...
Lilac Half-breed
  02/19/18
Statistically it barely makes a difference. Conceptually, it...
buff rebellious headpube
  02/19/18
i think between yrs 1-2 is ideal. you need at least a year f...
Smoky Business Firm
  02/19/18
"Dumbasses don't realize their lives are almost half ov...
embarrassed to the bone ruddy internal respiration
  02/19/18
Mods pls delete
Comical factory reset button
  02/22/18
I would fucking love to get married within a year to a woman...
swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma
  02/19/18
...
Trip Shivering Church Community Account
  02/19/18
It's true.
swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma
  02/19/18
same. i've only met like one or two girls in my life who i a...
Trip Shivering Church Community Account
  02/19/18
Yes and now I am 36 and isolated from everyone. I have ruine...
swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma
  02/19/18
36 is not that old for a male to be single also literally...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
Yes but I don't live in a city or anywhere near a city so th...
swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma
  02/19/18
you’ve come to the right place
Burgundy frisky spot
  02/19/18
TY
swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma
  02/19/18
go to africa, bro. find an african hottie
hairraiser blue trailer park
  02/22/18
it's credited. you should know within 4-6 months of serious ...
Adventurous Pocket Flask Native
  02/19/18
wrong, some bitches let the dirty demons out like 1-2 years ...
Racy yellow nursing home
  02/19/18
a lot of women change once they start getting old/fat and be...
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
better than asking her to marry before her visa expires.
Racy yellow nursing home
  02/19/18
unlikely. once you're living together, it's hard to hide dem...
Adventurous Pocket Flask Native
  02/19/18
i'm a habitual 2-5 yr dater. i usually ride out the bad for ...
Racy yellow nursing home
  02/19/18
with your string of failed relationships and fear of leavin...
Crimson crackhouse twinkling uncleanness
  02/19/18
...
Adventurous Pocket Flask Native
  02/19/18
they fail because i'm evolutionary.
Racy yellow nursing home
  02/19/18
the demons often only come out if there are hardships
Slate frum electric furnace elastic band
  02/19/18
I would take it further and say within two weeks. Within two...
swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma
  02/19/18
cr, but it's prudent to wait 4-6 months to validate that.
Adventurous Pocket Flask Native
  02/19/18
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4669104.stm Sex chemist...
irradiated field
  02/19/18
keep talking shit about mormons
Onyx exhilarant locale
  02/19/18
got married within one year, sup
Crimson crackhouse twinkling uncleanness
  02/19/18
pretty cr most people didn't plan out marriage; it was ba...
scarlet crawly dragon
  02/19/18
lulzy thread
Beady-eyed abode
  02/22/18


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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:35 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

What is this flame? Ragnus what's your take?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439530)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:39 PM
Author: Abnormal fluffy degenerate

Dude, some ppl get engaged after 4 months and marry after less than a year. Others get knocked up and have to marry before the belly is visible. Lol at things running smoothly for everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439586)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:40 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

getting engaged after 4 months w/o pregnancy seems like mental illness or something white women do when they hit 30

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439598)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:41 PM
Author: Racy yellow nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439602)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:36 PM
Author: Abnormal fluffy degenerate

An acquaintance of mine did this when both he and his gf were 24. They've been married for about a decade now and have 3 kids. They just knew I guess, that they wanted to be together. Both are good-looking and from wealthy families. The gf was not pregnant and didn't get pregnant until about 4 years into the marriage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440098)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:39 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone ruddy internal respiration

"some ppl get engaged after 4 months and marry after less than a year."

BYU students?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441014)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:43 PM
Author: Mahogany cuck sanctuary

I proposed not even 6 months in. I knew I would like 3 months in. She wants a crazy $140k wedding and that's the only reason we aren't already hitched. The hall we rented had like a 14 month waiting list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439618)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:43 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

LOL, you will get divorced within 15 years brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439622)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:44 PM
Author: Racy yellow nursing home

you gotta wonder who would accept that quickly...she's over 25 and you're under 30. correct? i am d00bs, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439627)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: Mahogany cuck sanctuary

I'm 36. She's 32. I don't know what dating a fuckton does. People never reveal the real them until they move in anyway. She moved in. Shits fine. What would a year of dating have done for us? I still got 3 months to say "fuck this."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439656)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

32? no wonder she accepted that early

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439660)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Smoky Business Firm

the chemicals in your brain that make you feel in love diminish about a year into dating. that's when you start noticing flaws in your partner you haven't noticed before and fighting, and the next year pretty much determines if you're going to maek it as a couple.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439681)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

my parents divorced after 20 years together, still plenty of time to get divorced

the real test if when you have kids and experience life's challenges and hardships, not when everything is going smoothly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439685)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Mahogany cuck sanctuary

That's less true after 30 when everyone is basically damaged goods. Neither of us is delusional.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439694)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

you guys havent experienced any hardships yet (kids, illness, financial struggles, family deaths, etc). you have a long way to go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439698)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:51 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask Native

dating for 6 months vs. 2 yrs doesnt tell you how the relationship will handle hardships like kids and financial struggles

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439712)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: Racy yellow nursing home

sort of does. passing through holidays and birthdays and meeting more of her family and her letting the guard down more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439717)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

cr, also the longer you date, the more chance for grandparents to die, financial struggles, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439758)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:53 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

i dunno dood, we lived together for 5 years before we got married and went through financial struggles (unemployment for one party, student loans, living in one apt with 5 people), etc.

no kids yet though, but definitely the money struggles. don't think i could have known that only 6 months in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439722)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Mahogany cuck sanctuary

I could retire next week if I really wanted to. She's a music teacher with basically guaranteed employment for life and her parents are pretty well off too. We will never have real money problems and she nowhere near as money hungry as my last girlfiriend. This one was a musician through her 20s so she's used to basically having nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439764)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

ok, dood. hope it works out, just i know enough couples who are divorced after years together and miserable olds who are still married to be so naive about marriage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439774)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Racy yellow nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439696)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask Native

agree completely.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439701)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:04 PM
Author: Charismatic den chad

"shits fine"

except the part where she demands a $140k wedding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439839)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:05 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439851)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:13 AM
Author: Comical factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35458853)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:45 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

She sounds like a Jewish American Princess btw...good luck with that. I guarantee within 15 years you will want to murder her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439645)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: Mischievous Patrolman

aren't jews supposed to be good with money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439662)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:48 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

not JAPs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439675)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Mahogany cuck sanctuary

We are more than comfortable. It's not as obscene as it sounds given ARE stations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439689)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Mischievous Patrolman

unless you're pulling 7 figures a year you probably should not be spending that much for a wedding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439695)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439810)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:01 PM
Author: Painfully Honest Really Tough Guy National

The divorce will cost you 10 times that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439809)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:09 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439880)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:25 PM
Author: Lilac Half-breed

But the court will accept his willingness to spend 140k on a wedding as evidence of his good faith in the marriage- and his alimony/child support payments will be vastly reduced.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440009)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:46 PM
Author: buff rebellious headpube

Statistically it barely makes a difference. Conceptually, it makes far more sense to get married within a year of meeting someone than the many couples I know who are in their 30s, have been together 5 years, and don't want to get married because they're "too young" or "figuring out their careers."

Dumbasses don't realize their lives are almost half over, and their fertile lives are 90% over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439647)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Smoky Business Firm

i think between yrs 1-2 is ideal. you need at least a year for the brain chemistry to get back to normal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439697)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone ruddy internal respiration

"Dumbasses don't realize their lives are almost half over"

In terms of subjective experience, it's easily more than half.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441030)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:14 AM
Author: Comical factory reset button

Mods pls delete

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35458863)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma

I would fucking love to get married within a year to a woman.

I am so lonely and depressed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439651)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: Trip Shivering Church Community Account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439690)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma

It's true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439692)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:53 PM
Author: Trip Shivering Church Community Account

same. i've only met like one or two girls in my life who i actually would've considered marrying. it's pretty rare to meet someone you want to marry and would want to marry you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439724)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma

Yes and now I am 36 and isolated from everyone. I have ruined my life.

I don't understand it at all. I always see seemingly nice looking women with incredibly banal and boring men and they fawn over these men and would do anything for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439752)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

36 is not that old for a male to be single

also literally 85% of the people i know who got married are either divorced (even after 20 years of marriage) or miserably married. the other "supposedly happily" married couples - the man is a complete beta fucking cuck and listens to his wife 100% of the time

i have no delusions of grandeur about marriage despite being currently happily married

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439791)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:21 PM
Author: swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma

Yes but I don't live in a city or anywhere near a city so that assumption is that I am gay as a single 36 year old male.

I really just want to meet a woman I can love but I am fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439981)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: Burgundy frisky spot

you’ve come to the right place

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439739)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma

TY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439755)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 2:33 AM
Author: hairraiser blue trailer park

go to africa, bro. find an african hottie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35458918)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:50 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask Native

it's credited. you should know within 4-6 months of serious dating if you're going to marry her or not.

any dating beyond that isn't going to give you any more information. beyond 4-6 months, you're either dating bc you're insecure/codependent and just waiting for someone else to come along, or you know it's marriage track.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439693)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:51 PM
Author: Racy yellow nursing home

wrong, some bitches let the dirty demons out like 1-2 years in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439702)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

a lot of women change once they start getting old/fat and become more and more bitter...just LJL @ the honeymoon period lasting forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439715)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: Racy yellow nursing home

better than asking her to marry before her visa expires.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439721)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask Native

unlikely. once you're living together, it's hard to hide demons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439720)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Racy yellow nursing home

i'm a habitual 2-5 yr dater. i usually ride out the bad for a year because i'm lazy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439747)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 8:39 PM
Author: Crimson crackhouse twinkling uncleanness

with your string of failed relationships and fear of leaving them, you're definitely an expert on women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440541)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 8:39 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask Native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440545)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: Racy yellow nursing home

they fail because i'm evolutionary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441042)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Slate frum electric furnace elastic band

the demons often only come out if there are hardships

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439750)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: swashbuckling wild deer antler dilemma

I would take it further and say within two weeks. Within two weeks you will know if a girl is the one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439713)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 6:53 PM
Author: Adventurous Pocket Flask Native

cr, but it's prudent to wait 4-6 months to validate that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35439729)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: irradiated field

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4669104.stm

Sex chemistry 'lasts two years'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441913)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 7:26 PM
Author: Onyx exhilarant locale

keep talking shit about mormons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440017)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 8:37 PM
Author: Crimson crackhouse twinkling uncleanness

got married within one year, sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35440536)



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Date: February 19th, 2018 11:15 PM
Author: scarlet crawly dragon

pretty cr

most people didn't plan out marriage; it was basically who ever was the first girl you knocked up you married and made it work for the kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35441954)



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Date: February 22nd, 2018 1:50 AM
Author: Beady-eyed abode

lulzy thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3897810&forum_id=2#35458792)