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Coward Florida cop caught standing outside school during shooting
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:09 PM Author: medicated henna orchestra pit messiness https://www.wptv.com/news/national/deputy-at-florida-high-school-where-17-were-killed-never-went-in-resigns
Deputy at Florida high school where 17 were killed 'never went in,' resigns
Justin Boggs The Broward County Sheriff's deputy who was assigned to be the school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas High School during last week's massacre that left 17 dead resigned this morning after being suspended without pay, Sheriff Scott Israel announced on Thursday.
Israel said that Deputy Scott Peterson was outside of the building during the time of the shooting. According to Israel, video evidence suggested that Peterson remained outside for four minutes. The entire mass shooting lasted an estimated six minutes, Israel said.
Related story: Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz recorded during 911 call in Palm Beach County
"Scott Peterson was absolutely on campus through this entire event," Israel said. "He was armed, he was in uniform. After seeing video, witness statements, and Scott Peterson's very own statement, I decided this morning to suspend Scott Peterson without pay pending an internal investigation. As is his right, Scott Peterson chose to resign."
Israel claimed that Peterson "clearly" knew there was a shooting, and was seen doing "nothing" on video. Israel added that there were no known issues with communication.
Peterson will be eligible for retirement following his resignation.
Justin Boggs is a writer for the E.W. Scripps National Desk. Follow him on Twitter @jjboggs or on Facebook. |
Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:11 PM Author: exhilarant cerise state you can bet this guy has plenty of Billy Badass moments under his belt, too, tazing defenseless homeless people, etc. these guys are the scum of the earth. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:12 PM Author: medicated henna orchestra pit messiness He’ll probably end up blowing his brains out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465401) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:13 PM Author: exhilarant cerise state lol, not bloody likely. the last line of the story says he's eligible for his pension now. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:14 PM Author: vibrant forum blood rage But no buds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465417) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:17 PM Author: Fragrant National Generalized Bond and now we know why he failed to act (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465454) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:22 PM Author: vibrant forum blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465489) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:05 PM Author: Motley canary faggotry mediation good point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466429) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:13 PM Author: vibrant forum blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465414) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:13 PM Author: Razzmatazz overrated lay foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465415) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:15 PM Author: Pale Nofapping Codepig this was my first thought as well. he must feel incredibly, incredibly ashamed, guilty, cowardly, or some combination of all three. add on to that the consequences to his social life and this guy is fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465429) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:15 PM Author: vibrant forum blood rage Good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465433) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:16 PM Author: milky razzle knife or he might just justify it as, "not my fault student was crazy and guns were easy to get!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465440) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:19 PM Author: Pale Nofapping Codepig yeah maybe he's rationalized it as fuck it, i would have been just one more dead body. which is probably true. we expect these guys to be heroes and sacrifice themselves if necessary, but it can't be so simple when you know you're alone and outgunned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465468) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:25 PM Author: Onyx frozen crackhouse depressive Or maybe he would have shot some kid w a book in his hand or some shot and gotten arrested for murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465510) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:37 PM Author: Deep deer antler senate Now image that student was black... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466759) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:25 PM Author: maniacal crimson menage crotch Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465511) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM Author: Swollen range fat ankles he's a 66 year old man in Florida who worked as a school cop. what "social life" are we really worried about? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466042) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:38 PM Author: Thriller university Or he could be protecting his pension. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466083) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:42 PM Author: Histrionic bbw People good enough to feel those kinds of emotions don't become cops anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466818) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:52 PM Author: Gold Patrolman Cuckold LOL
he is a BOOMER COP. 0 chance of him feeling an ounce of guilt. he would have killed the innocent kids himself if he could. he's headed straight to cocomo and never looking back |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 7:10 AM Author: Salmon seedy site queen of the night exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35468018) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:13 PM Author: vibrant forum blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465408) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:14 PM Author: Zippy office genital piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465421) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:27 PM Author: self-absorbed dashing chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465517) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:13 PM Author: Onyx frozen crackhouse depressive Bet that school resource officer that did this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IY1e8qe-2O8
Wouldve handled business in Florida |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:15 PM Author: vibrant forum blood rage Eh nigs are wild monkeys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465431) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:17 PM Author: milky razzle knife bet Zimmerman would've shot him for free (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465452) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:21 PM Author: Onyx frozen crackhouse depressive lol cr. He woulda murked cruz months ago if he was the resource officer. Prob got him doing laundry in his house or something on the grounds he was acting weird at school a while back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465484) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 3:15 AM Author: soul-stirring shimmering native sandwich spin, ratfucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35467805) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:14 PM Author: chest-beating principal's office pocket flask Holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465420) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:14 PM Author: talented beta parlor Cowardly Florida Cops - Standing Outside a Shot-Up Highschool With a Glock in my Hands.mp3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465422) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:43 PM Author: mentally impaired corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465635) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:38 PM Author: Ocher digit ratio shitlib Hahahahhaha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466090) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:07 PM Author: Motley canary faggotry mediation well done (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466452) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:49 PM Author: dull boyish indian lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466871) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:15 PM Author: milky razzle knife why do we pay cops so much and give them pensions if they're not willing to put their lives in danger? isn't that the whole justification for their compensation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465430) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:16 PM Author: Onyx frozen crackhouse depressive Seems like a school of that size should have more than one cop there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465438) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:16 PM Author: milky razzle knife some schools have none, so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465447) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:18 PM Author: exhilarant cerise state apparently they genuinely believe that 1. 'assuring officer safety regardless of costs in loss of human life' 2. 'compelling the general public to offer displays of submission and respect for muh authority'
are their 2 prime directives. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:43 PM Author: mentally impaired corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465639) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:33 PM Author: iridescent police squad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466028) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:42 PM Author: Thriller university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466125) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:41 PM Author: Histrionic bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466812) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:23 PM Author: low-t vigorous market roommate and HOLY SHIT if a cop dies in the line of duty you sure as shit hear about, "Oh my GOD, how could this happen?!" Like a cop being shot should be more rare than a plumber or electrician or lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465498) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:42 PM Author: mentally impaired corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465631) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM Author: bipolar excitant liquid oxygen I was with you until you said lawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466045) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:45 PM Author: Stubborn toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466187) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:40 PM Author: beady-eyed turdskin station In Wisconsin, they just made it a felony to threaten a family court lawyer.
It's reactionary bullshit to an incident where some AZN immigrant murdered his estranged wife's divorce attorney.
Really fucking dumb, it ought to be open season on lawyers |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:16 PM Author: disgusting athletic conference set What does MILITARY DATA say on how non-ops soldiers perform when they come under fire? I would imagine everyone shits themselves and doesn't fire at all or does ineffectively. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465441) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:18 PM Author: Fragrant National Generalized Bond nonsense. some will choke, some won't. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:24 PM Author: disgusting athletic conference set Jessica Lynch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465499) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:28 PM Author: Fragrant National Generalized Bond she was unconscious i had to look her up |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:24 PM Author: Onyx frozen crackhouse depressive Pretty sure if cop goes in there he blasts like 4 kids by accident and gets convicted of murder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465505) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:25 PM Author: disgusting athletic conference set (Not a law masterman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465508) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:26 PM Author: Onyx frozen crackhouse depressive (Hasn’t watched news in 3 years) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465514) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:41 PM Author: Pale Nofapping Codepig the cop data is well established and shows they suck at hitting targets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/weekinreview/09baker.html |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:40 PM Author: iridescent police squad Amazing how much more sane people were just 10 or so years ago. An article and police shootings with only one mention of race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466103) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:18 PM Author: Glittery red point quadroon LOL at sheriff hiding this until after the town hall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465466) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:19 PM Author: Fragrant National Generalized Bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465470) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:24 PM Author: Onyx frozen crackhouse depressive Lol yep. He let ppl rant “GUN CONTROL NOW. ONLY COPS GET GUNS”
Waited
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Thinks blame is on guns finally
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we had a cop there hiding outside the whole time who didn’t do anything. Oops lol |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:43 PM Author: mentally impaired corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465642) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 9:51 PM Author: odious brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35465727) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM Author: Swollen range fat ankles libs were right about cops and guns, film at 11 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466053) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:42 PM Author: sienna travel guidebook The same libs who hate cops and think they’re the only ones who should have guns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466134) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:47 PM Author: Swollen range fat ankles those are dumb libs. the credited lib position is that cops used to be deeply respected pillars of the community but are now almost uniformly lazy, stupid community college grads with a racist chip on their shoulder. and smarts/elites should have guns, not crazies or dumbs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466201) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:57 PM Author: Out-of-control sticky mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466324) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:12 PM Author: Hairraiser Doobsian Hell Gaming Laptop No, you're all the same. Sorry ;)
Remember the ACLU wanting to relax rules that made it tougher for crazies to buy guns? |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:16 PM Author: sienna travel guidebook "almost uniformly... with a racist chip on their shoulder"
lol |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:18 PM Author: Swollen range fat ankles bro, your average husky white are country cop LOVES fucking with black and hispanic people. it's the only thing that gets them through their shifts.
i know, because i'm related to three such people. they basically huddle up next to the keg on holidays and brag about how they stuck it to the niggers that quarter. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:19 PM Author: sienna travel guidebook what is your solution for policing minority communities? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466589) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:21 PM Author: Swollen range fat ankles pay cops more. encourage (without doing straight AA hiring) minorities from those neighborhoods to become cops. better "community policing" generally. relaxation of petty crime and pot enforcement so that the big criminals get got (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466614) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:47 PM Author: copper multi-billionaire More like:
School shooting ... Uproar as it trickles out that FBI missed several tips and local police visited parents house 30-some odd times ... ... ... Now that fury has died down, let’s focus entirely on gun control and ignore clear lapses ... Have town hall ... Oops in addition to all of those other lapse, the on-grounds deputy didn’t do shit. Teehee! |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:31 PM Author: iridescent police squad This is why we DONT need guns. Are heroes will protect us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466010) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:40 PM Author: abnormal space lol if even half of this turns out to be true
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784
Cliffs: County schools started reducing arrests in order to gain more funding from feds and state. They did this by literally just not arresting students and blatantly hiding crimes. Schools would have monthly quotas, and after those quotas were reached all bets were off. Kids could do whatever with no consequences. Gangs started targeting students to do their bidding and learned the timing. School Resource Officers (like this "cop") were there to enforce the policies, not to keep the kids safe. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:47 PM Author: Fragrant National Generalized Bond holy shit if true if true, this should be huge
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:16 PM Author: Hairraiser Doobsian Hell Gaming Laptop Oh yeah, there was this big controversy in Broward about how the schools were supposedly picking on personality-disordered minority shithead kids by getting them in trouble all the time so they came up with this plan to be non-discriminatory. Here you go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466547) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:32 PM Author: Lascivious rigpig alpha Yep, cop probably figured the semi-auto rifle fire was coming from a black kid and he’d get in trouble if he tried to intervene
(Xoretard mentality) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:40 PM Author: Hairraiser Doobsian Hell Gaming Laptop Well yeah. He didn't want to oppress a victimized black body of color and end up getting entered into Shaqueefa's database. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466805) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:43 PM Author: mustard stirring theater old irish cottage i heard the cop handed in his badge today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466146) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:46 PM Author: vermilion cowardly tanning salon dog poop The cop was a Boomer? Well that explains it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466196) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:52 PM Author: Startling Lemon Field Lucky for him he has a common name so he could probably move to, say, Seattle and start over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466272) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 10:54 PM Author: bipolar excitant liquid oxygen Not just common, the first google results will always be for the notorious wife killer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466302) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:01 PM Author: hideous fortuitous meteor i made this point last week in a thread about how "schools already have armed guards." this story didn't even exist then.
i said lol at the "security guards" most schools have. they are always older, barney fife cops ticking down days to retirement in what they think is a cush gig.
one of those bumbling aging officers isn't going to do shit in stopping school shootings. they don't do anything to stop petty crimes and the students don't respect them. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:35 PM Author: Lascivious rigpig alpha Ty. Now asess the ability of 37 yo history teacher shrews in same situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466733) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:45 AM Author: Thriller university Close call. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35467564) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:53 AM Author: hideous fortuitous meteor well if the teacher is right there in the room, or across the hall, there's a better chance.
but one bumbling near-retirement cop, in a far part of the building, isn't going to stop anything.
and, btw, i'm undecided if i think teachers should be armed and have gun training requirements. i tend to think most can't handle it.
ideally, schools would have better discipline, not be afraid of the kids and their parent(s) and be afraid of getting sued, and kick these psychos out. you can usually tell which ones are dangerous. hell, this shooter had, what two dozen calls to the sheriff about him and the FBI was notified? |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:30 PM Author: Lascivious rigpig alpha xoTrump: “teachers would be better at this. Give them a snub nose 38 and they’ll shoot the dude with the AK right in the eye.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466693) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2018 11:48 PM Author: medicated henna orchestra pit messiness People complain about the militarization of cops and SWAT teams but this is why you need them. Officer friendly can’t do shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35466863) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 1:49 AM Author: ultramarine kitchen ACAB (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35467582) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 3:12 AM Author: Aromatic National Security Agency Tbf, I don't think it's "well settled" in the LE community whether a single cop should go in or wait for backup, especially if the shooter has a rifle. It's prob. up to the officer's discretion. I don't know if this particular sheriff dept. had a policy or guideline on that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35467797) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 3:46 AM Author: beady-eyed turdskin station Virtually all mass shooters give up or commit suicide upon the slightest confrontation with police.
The one exception I can think of is the North Hollywood bank shootout. |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 4:18 AM Author: Flatulent institution boltzmann bank robbers aren't really mass shooters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35467917) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 7:19 AM Author: beady-eyed turdskin station I agree but I can't really think of any other big incident that didn't quickly reach a conclusion when cops showed any sort of commitment whatsoever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35468028) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 3:57 AM Author: shaky 180 hall volcanic crater Sheriff should be arrested for using any warm body (in this case an elderly man) to fill what is supposed to be a serious position
Old guy was Zero-T and shook with fear like any old bitch |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 7:09 AM Author: Vengeful Supple Ticket Booth Fanboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35468017) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 7:00 AM Author: Ruddy pea-brained pit The “school resource officer” gigs in Florida are where the police/sheriffs push (mostly girls) who can’t handle the street. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35467999) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 7:03 AM Author: Vengeful Supple Ticket Booth Fanboi LOL at the sheriff throwing this guy under the bus. The guard was clearly incompetent and unqualified for the job. This falls at the top. The sheriff acted like a fool on CNN and he's trying to distract everyone from his own incompetence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35468004) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 7:06 AM Author: Vengeful Supple Ticket Booth Fanboi The narcissist sheriff is writing about himself in third person. LOL
https://twitter.com/ScottJIsrael |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 7:11 AM Author: Salmon seedy site queen of the night It's even worse if the police department employs a social media manager. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901069&forum_id=2#35468020) |