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Case can still be made that Christopher Columbus is most important person
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 9:55 AM Author: copper heaven in 1000 years.
Sure, Leif Erikson, some Chinese guy, etc. But CC caught the popular imagination and repeatedly demonstrated that people could safely and routinely cross oceans to other continents.
Populations of humans, animals and plants that evolved separately for a hundred thousand years were suddenly 30 days voyage away. Reading another XO thread about "race realism", I realized once again this is all just the post-script to Columbus's work. He sewed together the world in a way that Africans and Asians and Europeans and other could live cheek by jowl, and all of this "history", from slavery to WWII to Trayvon Martin, is all just detritus in the aftermath of his voyage.
He changed earth as much as Jesus. Perhaps you could add Darwin and St. Paul and Alexander to round out the top five, in no particular order. |
Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:32 AM Author: Contagious turdskin gas station That’s like saying Steve Jobs invented the iPhone. Too much credit to a figurehead. Who happened to be an insufferable asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35468747) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 11:00 AM Author: copper heaven neither CC nor SJ were "figureheads" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35468938) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 11:04 AM Author: carnelian plaza nibblets Lol at faggot libs trying to level all human achievement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35468965) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:28 PM Author: Contagious turdskin gas station Nah I am just a lot more impressed by di Vinci, etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35474310) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:32 PM Author: Self-centered ivory regret yet you can't even spell his name correctly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35474337) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 11:03 AM Author: vigorous emerald hall pocket flask eh... some other dooder would've come along in the next 50-100 years and done the same thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35468960) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:29 PM Author: Beady-eyed henna abode Not sure if it was my lib education but I think of Columbus as an evil fucking dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35474314) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:30 PM Author: Multi-colored marketing idea It's your lib education. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35474323) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:33 PM Author: Beady-eyed henna abode I quote one of my teachers
"The three worst humans in history are Hitler, Stalin and Columbus." |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:34 PM Author: Self-centered ivory regret no love for Mao, dem iron chains even apply to "worst human" rankings! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35474356) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:34 PM Author: Multi-colored marketing idea That is ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35474358) |
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Date: February 26th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: copper heaven that's an outrageous thing to say.
Columbus's "crimes" are that he failed to see natives as deserving of the same rights he would accord to European Christians. Keep in mind there was barely a concept of "rights". There was a struggle for anyone to live past 30 and have children that survive, anywhere on earth. To manage survival, everyone on earth connected their identity to clans and religions and classified everyone else as an enemy.
So indeed, he did nothing to help the survival of natives and to the contrary killed and enslaved thousands of them, often personally.
But very few people alive then saw anything wrong with this. The very few that did were animated by a Christian theology that was super rare for the time. The natives themselves saw nothing wrong with enslaving and killing rival groups of people. No reason to think Columbus was more "evil", even by today's human rights standard, than any native tribal leader in Hispaniola.
In his plus column, he -- like Elon Musk -- risked his fortune and even his life on a dangerous dream to try to do things differently. He forged a path for starving and oppressed Europeans, who faced no future in Europe, to come to a dangerous, sparsely populated continent to try to build something better. We are all recipients of that, even if our ancestors were African slaves.
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Date: February 26th, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Painfully honest azn mad-dog skullcap thats a ridiculous statement. how about pol pot if we're gonna use politicians? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35490174) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:32 PM Author: Wonderful Scarlet Business Firm It's your lib education. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3901454&forum_id=2#35474335) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2018 10:36 PM Author: Multi-colored marketing idea More than anyone else, he is responsible for European world dominance.
That's why libs hate him. |