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Do people who got a 170+ through superstudying get lower grades than naturals?

some people get 170+ by superstudying from a 155 or a 150 or...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
they might have more of a grinder mindset which could help t...
beta hospital
  02/24/18
yes, 145 -> 170 happens, but like you said, it's highly u...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
who the fuck is taking two years out of their lives for a st...
Idiotic parlour
  02/24/18
you have no idea. https://www.youtube.com/user/7sagelsat/...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
these AMAs are over an hour long, so I'm not listening. But...
Idiotic parlour
  02/24/18
Depending on GPA, those six points are the difference betwee...
Crawly dog poop gas station
  02/25/18
It's true. What a fucked up world we live in
charcoal idiot electric furnace
  02/26/18
they're just smarter than you
Shaky Boyish Corner
  03/01/18
I superstudied my way to an 11 point increase from my first,...
lascivious fishy clown
  02/24/18
11 points is not superstudying. that's average. superstudyin...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
I have no idea wtf influences grades... is it genetic? I hav...
Heady Mauve Hell
  02/24/18
My grades have been terrible.
Nubile parlor jew
  02/24/18
waht did you get on the LSAT, and what was your diagnostic? ...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
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zombie-like fuchsia range
  02/24/18
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575730&fo...
Nubile parlor jew
  02/24/18
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green coldplay fan field
  02/24/18
cr, i think i only improved 7 points
Violent church
  02/24/18
not to mention most people score 2-4 points lower on the rea...
Copper Mood
  02/24/18
how familiar are you with modern methods of studying for the...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
CR
Nubile parlor jew
  02/24/18
that can happen? honestly thought that everyone just hit a w...
Copper Mood
  02/24/18
no, it's extremely rare. it would happen with any curriculum...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
interesting. the biggest increase I know is a bro that went ...
Copper Mood
  02/24/18
yea, take that same guy and instill in him the belief that 1...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
...
green coldplay fan field
  02/24/18
seconded on the 2-4 decrease. I was consistent 170 average (...
Buck-toothed supple antidepressant drug abode
  02/24/18
did you increase your average on the second time? i know...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
hit 170 the second time. my legit timed pt's often got to 17...
Buck-toothed supple antidepressant drug abode
  02/24/18
I went from a 157 to 173. I was above the median but nothin...
Idiotic parlour
  02/24/18
how long did you study? how many times did you take the lsat...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
I graduated college in 4 1/2 years and took like a year and ...
Idiotic parlour
  02/24/18
Lawman8 got a 179 almost cold, he has a valuable perspective...
frum awkward state
  02/24/18
Grades have more to do with superstudying than raw IQ
cowardly forum crotch
  02/24/18
i started at like 155 but i was -1 on RC and like -18 on log...
Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter
  02/24/18
CR. I missed half the logic games questions, but everywhere...
Idiotic parlour
  02/24/18
how long did you study? how many times did you take the exam...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
171 (mid-range of my practice test scores). took it once. ...
Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter
  02/24/18
for those of you in disbelief of how long people study: h...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
“Different 170+ scorers take different amounts of time: I've...
Obsidian fluffy pozpig
  02/24/18
yeah, but a few do.
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
They must be painfully dumb. How can there be anything left...
Obsidian fluffy pozpig
  02/24/18
it might take a year of practice to make a certain way of th...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
lmao what the fuck
beta hospital
  02/24/18
...
honey-headed passionate people who are hurt
  02/24/18
LMFAO @ spending 2+ years studying for the LSATTT then payin...
honey-headed passionate people who are hurt
  02/24/18
CR, wish I did CS
Violent church
  02/24/18
:)
Nubile parlor jew
  02/24/18
To put a month into some perspective, I've been studying for...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
Oh my...
Idiotic parlour
  02/24/18
“And that's not weird, that's actually pretty common especia...
vengeful dopamine
  02/24/18
I started studying for the LSAT in July of 2014 with a plan ...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
My handsome scholarship!
Wine razzle-dazzle kitchen background story
  04/23/18
Superstduying for a year, probably would struggle in law sch...
walnut excitant legal warrant
  02/24/18
https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/5889/journey-to-th...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
So can these dumbs just take the GRE now or is that just a c...
vengeful dopamine
  02/24/18
isn't HLS starting to do that now?
beta hospital
  02/25/18
Yeah and lots of other schools too
vengeful dopamine
  02/25/18
...
crimson wrinkle
  02/24/18
...
crimson wrinkle
  02/25/18
as noted above, grades have more to do with superstudying th...
poppy irradiated volcanic crater
  02/25/18
other way around
Abnormal swashbuckling goyim digit ratio
  02/25/18
top grades requires moderate studying and high IQ. you need ...
Deranged Primrose Black Woman
  02/25/18
...
Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter
  02/25/18
Depends on what classes you take. Transactional classes are ...
Nubile parlor jew
  02/25/18
i assume OP is asking about 1L classes where you have the en...
Deranged Primrose Black Woman
  02/25/18
the 2L and 3L classes I found the most interesting and thus ...
Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter
  02/25/18
see, this is where gunners are retarded. they should just gu...
Deranged Primrose Black Woman
  02/25/18
yeah, i posted above. i was top 10% and fell because i kept...
Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter
  02/25/18
just saw. sucks. it's classic gunner rat race flame to take ...
Deranged Primrose Black Woman
  02/25/18
I tried to do that, choosing classes purely by highest avera...
walnut excitant legal warrant
  03/01/18
True. Seminars at CCN are an easy B+. I've seen GULC tran...
Nubile parlor jew
  03/01/18
the opposite
vigorous gay wizard market
  02/25/18
https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/forums/165-slump-t18088.h...
Bat Shit Crazy Voyeur
  02/26/18
https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/15336/plataeu-at-1...
crimson wrinkle
  03/01/18
PEOPLE STUDY FOR 2 YEARS. JESUS CHRIST.
crimson wrinkle
  03/01/18
marcosmcqueen a day ago 203 karma Two years of study, fou...
crimson wrinkle
  03/08/18
...
crimson wrinkle
  03/08/18
https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/15943/one-year-stu...
crimson wrinkle
  04/23/18
https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/8e59t7/finally_cracke...
crimson wrinkle
  04/23/18
I suspect the superstudies who grind to low 170s perform bet...
slimy pervert
  04/23/18
Aren't you guys like 40 years old? Still going on about this...
Laughsome grizzly lodge
  04/23/18
I tutored LSAT for 7 years. I saw every possible type. AMA...
opaque shivering immigrant
  04/23/18
Did you have any students who had already improved before co...
crimson wrinkle
  04/23/18
Any students who started high (high 150s or low 160s) but fo...
crimson wrinkle
  04/23/18
what's the biggest improvement you saw?
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  04/23/18
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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

some people get 170+ by superstudying from a 155 or a 150 or sometimes even a 145. Most 170s probably started in the 160s. Would you expect the latter group to get better law school grades than the former, assuming each group works equally as hard in law school? It seems reasonable. But some people might think that the former group gained actual skills/ability and made up for whatever mental deficit they started with such that their 170+ is equal in every sense to a more "natural" 170+ and that there is no reason to expect any difference in average law school grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35478846)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: beta hospital

they might have more of a grinder mindset which could help them

do people actually get 170+ starting from 145? seems extremely unlikely

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35478849)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

yes, 145 -> 170 happens, but like you said, it's highly unusual because it takes like 2+ years and most people don't want to spend that long studying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35478878)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:51 PM
Author: Idiotic parlour

who the fuck is taking two years out of their lives for a standardized test?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479312)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

you have no idea.

https://www.youtube.com/user/7sagelsat/videos

look at the AMAs. most studied over a year. multiple people took it 3 times, at least one took it 4 times. one guy got a 171 after half a year, then studied another half a year, canceled a score, studied for ANOTHER half a year, then got 177.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479320)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: Idiotic parlour

these AMAs are over an hour long, so I'm not listening. But jesus fuck that's ridiculous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479339)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: Crawly dog poop gas station

Depending on GPA, those six points are the difference between 100k+ loans at good school and no loans. Not a bad haul for a year’s work if you’re a lib arts major.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35485173)



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Date: February 26th, 2018 4:03 PM
Author: charcoal idiot electric furnace

It's true.

What a fucked up world we live in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35492447)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: Shaky Boyish Corner

they're just smarter than you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35517329)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: lascivious fishy clown

I superstudied my way to an 11 point increase from my first, all-natural practice LSAT and then got terrible grades in law school. OTOH, I did not put anywhere near as much work studying for my law school classes as I did studying for the LSAT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35478861)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

11 points is not superstudying. that's average. superstudying is 15+ increase.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35478872)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:26 PM
Author: Heady Mauve Hell

I have no idea wtf influences grades... is it genetic? I have never felt like I had much influence. I don't think that idiots can superstudy their way through school like every day is the super bowl, they'd just burnout. But people who seem like idiots can ace school because it's their genetic destiny to ace their way through school while seeming like idiots.... they're like "sleeper" cars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35478866)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: Nubile parlor jew

My grades have been terrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35478894)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

waht did you get on the LSAT, and what was your diagnostic? was your LSAT an overperformance from your average?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35478898)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:15 PM
Author: zombie-like fuchsia range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479148)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:15 PM
Author: Nubile parlor jew

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3575730&forum_id=2#33009808

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479451)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: green coldplay fan field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479122)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: Violent church

cr, i think i only improved 7 points

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479142)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:21 PM
Author: Copper Mood

not to mention most people score 2-4 points lower on the real thing than their average practice. I can buy 20 top increase but anything more is such an outlier as to not be worth discussion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479179)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:31 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

how familiar are you with modern methods of studying for the LSAT? ever been to 7sage forums? there are people who study YEARS for this test and take it 3 TIMES, EVEN 4 TIMES. That's how they get to 170 from 145.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479224)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:33 PM
Author: Nubile parlor jew

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479234)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:41 PM
Author: Copper Mood

that can happen? honestly thought that everyone just hit a wall of 15/20 max. what the hell are they teaching over there - magic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479271)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:43 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

no, it's extremely rare. it would happen with any curriculum, given enough time. and they basically have anyone who makes that kind of jump do some kind of AMA. so it's just a handful of people out of thousands who are studying like hell. but 7sage ethos is superstudying to the extreme. "don't take it until you've been averaging above what you want." this attitude was unheard of 10 years ago - people just took it once or twice and then went to wherever they got in.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479284)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:46 PM
Author: Copper Mood

interesting. the biggest increase I know is a bro that went from 141 (cold) to 159 with a year of consistent study. Then a bunch of people who go 15ish increase.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479297)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

yea, take that same guy and instill in him the belief that 159 is not good enough and that he has to go get a 170, even if it takes him another year or two beyond that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479304)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:47 PM
Author: green coldplay fan field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479301)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: Buck-toothed supple antidepressant drug abode

seconded on the 2-4 decrease. I was consistent 170 average (couple months studying) then on my fist I plopped a 164. Made up for it the second time but that first result was absolutely devastating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479305)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:50 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

did you increase your average on the second time?

i know some people who scored higher than they ever got on the real thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479309)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: Buck-toothed supple antidepressant drug abode

hit 170 the second time. my legit timed pt's often got to 175. the last pt I took before the 164 was a 175. I started thinking H. performance anxiety I guess. If I could go back I would wish for a 140 though so that law school was not an option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479324)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:25 PM
Author: Idiotic parlour

I went from a 157 to 173. I was above the median but nothing stellar. But like Krampusnacht said I put way less effort into LS.

EDIT: I think it's 157, but it might've been 159. I started in the high 150s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479193)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:32 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

how long did you study? how many times did you take the lsat? do you think you could have gotten 175+ with another couple of months?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479232)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:42 PM
Author: Idiotic parlour

I graduated college in 4 1/2 years and took like a year and a half between college and law school off. I studied and did testmasters during my last quarter of college. Then I had probably 2 months where I did NOTHING but study for the LSAT. So I guess like 1 1/2 to 2 months of doing nothing but studying he LSAT and the full testmasters course on top, but I don't remember how long that was. I also wasn't studying hard for it at that point, just keeping up with the class and taking good notes. I did a lot of more repetition work in the time after. If I had to guess I'd say 4 months of studying.

I can't predict what score I would have gotten if I studied a few more months. I was consistently testing in the low to mid 170s before the actual test though. I honestly don't know if I could have mentally handled studying LSATs for a few more months. I just wanted to be done with that and my apps so I could make some side cash and enjoy my free time before law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479279)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:42 PM
Author: frum awkward state

Lawman8 got a 179 almost cold, he has a valuable perspective for this thread and I hope he weighs in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479273)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: cowardly forum crotch

Grades have more to do with superstudying than raw IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479287)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:51 PM
Author: Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter

i started at like 155 but i was -1 on RC and like -18 on logic games. just needed to learn to do those and the rest was pretty easy.

i was top 10% at my T6 after first year and then dropped a bit after that (finished like top 30%)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479314)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:54 PM
Author: Idiotic parlour

CR. I missed half the logic games questions, but everywhere else I was solid. I recall testmasters breaking down a few of the logical reasoning questions where I wasn't thinking about things right, and that bumped me up a decent amount, but the majority of my big jump came from knowing how to do games.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479328)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

how long did you study? how many times did you take the exam? what did you get on it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479335)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:01 PM
Author: Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter

171 (mid-range of my practice test scores). took it once. studied for like 3 months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479373)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:19 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

for those of you in disbelief of how long people study:

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/6516/wanting-to-give-up-after-over-a-year-of-studying-advice

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/13472/total-hours-studied-for-lsat

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/8276/how-long-do-top-scorers-usually-study



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479470)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: Obsidian fluffy pozpig

“Different 170+ scorers take different amounts of time: I've seen everything from about 3 to 24 months. There is something that all top scorers do have in common though: Disciplined, high level study strategies”

These people are nuts. Almost no one who scores that high studied that long.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479484)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:22 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

yeah, but a few do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479492)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:25 PM
Author: Obsidian fluffy pozpig

They must be painfully dumb. How can there be anything left to learn after a couple months?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479514)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:27 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

it might take a year of practice to make a certain way of thinking automatic. also, some people underperform multiple times and keep trying until they get a score they like.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479521)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:22 PM
Author: beta hospital

lmao what the fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479491)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:22 PM
Author: honey-headed passionate people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479493)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: honey-headed passionate people who are hurt

LMFAO @ spending 2+ years studying for the LSATTT then paying sTTTicker at some fraudlies trap school with student loans and landing some god awful 80+hr/wk biglaw job just to service your debt and $1mm+ mortgage to placate your blown out 30yo cunt wife who continues to ride the cock carousel on the side

and you'd better not make partner or the divorce is going to wipe you out and stick you with lifetime alimony.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479482)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Violent church

CR, wish I did CS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479502)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:36 PM
Author: Nubile parlor jew

:)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479569)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

To put a month into some perspective, I've been studying for a year now and I'm not even close to prepared for the June test, I'm hoping I'll be ready for September. And that's not weird, that's actually pretty common especially among top scorers. This test is a monster and if you don't respect it, it will make you pay.

So really, it just depends on your goals. What are you trying to do? If what you want to do requires a strong LSAT score, then I really hope you will reconsider.

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/7332/one-month-before-the-lsat-test/p1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479559)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 7:06 PM
Author: Idiotic parlour

Oh my...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479713)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 7:10 PM
Author: vengeful dopamine

“And that's not weird, that's actually pretty common especially among top scorers”

lol, no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479739)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

I started studying for the LSAT in July of 2014 with a plan to take the test in June 2015 at the very earliest. My expectations, it turned out, were very well-managed. To be honest, I didn’t start out with this mindset because I was following sage advice—I more or less stumbled into this process with the assumption that I had a long way to go. I also knew that I would need to get a very high score on a test that a lot of really smart people take—a test that happens also to be curved. I was a tadpole in a pool teeming with very big fish. I knew I had a lot of catching up to do (or I assumed I did at least). And when I wasn't ready to take the test in June, I pushed it to October. Then I retook it in December, and once more in February (the third time was the charm!). All in all, the process took over a year and a half. But when I got into the law school of my dreams with a handsome scholarship, I saw all of that effort pay off. It's worth it to take your sweet time studying for this test.

Low and slow (like good Texas brisket). The mindset I described above translated to a “low and slow” approach. I started out studying only a few hours a week; after a month or so, I increased to 10 or so hours, then up to 15, and in the full swing of prep, I was studying about 30 hours per week while working full time (that lasted about 2 months). Once I started taking prep tests (on average, 2 per week for about 6 months), my hours spent studying per week decreased to account for the increased intensity of this kind of focused work. Instead of trying to “brute force” my prep as some students do (I often hear about folks studying more than 40 hours per week, hoping to take the test within a few months), I ramped up slowly, made sure I understood concepts deeply, and then took a huge number of LSAT prep tests (all in all, I took over 70 tests, many of them retakes). If I were to quantify the hours I spent studying in terms of scholarship offer and future employment prospects—well, let's just say that it was time very, very well-spent.

https://ms-jd.org/blog/article/my-late-bloomer-lsat-and-law-school-success-story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479590)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: Wine razzle-dazzle kitchen background story

My handsome scholarship!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35900967)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:43 PM
Author: walnut excitant legal warrant

Superstduying for a year, probably would struggle in law school, yeah, although I'd never heard of that. But normal superstudying, probably not - that dedication is valuable in law school as well. I always got top standardized tests and mediocre grades, cuz grinding is more important for classes(though I did solid 1L, since it was more like standardized tests).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479594)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:47 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/5889/journey-to-the-center-of-a-180



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479602)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: vengeful dopamine

So can these dumbs just take the GRE now or is that just a cynical move by schools to admit coloreds without hurting their USN ranking?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35479662)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: beta hospital

isn't HLS starting to do that now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35483633)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 3:00 PM
Author: vengeful dopamine

Yeah and lots of other schools too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35484203)



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Date: February 24th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35480757)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 1:24 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35483630)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: poppy irradiated volcanic crater

as noted above, grades have more to do with superstudying than talent.

I would expect someone who got a 170 through superstudying to get a higher gpa in LS than someone who got a 170 with no studying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35483637)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: Abnormal swashbuckling goyim digit ratio

other way around

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35483659)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: Deranged Primrose Black Woman

top grades requires moderate studying and high IQ. you need to study enough to know the material; lazy smart people who dont put in anywhere near enough time will do shitty. on the other hand, superstudying has diminishing returns after a certain point.

the middle of the class is filled with superstudy grinders.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35483667)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 1:56 PM
Author: Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35483807)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 4:58 PM
Author: Nubile parlor jew

Depends on what classes you take. Transactional classes are undersubscribed and not subject to the curve, nor are seminars, so trannies are getting B+s and A-s in all their classes, while retarded shiTTTigators are languishing in B and B+ black letter land.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35485135)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: Deranged Primrose Black Woman

i assume OP is asking about 1L classes where you have the entire class all trying to do their best, and my poast applies to that.

2L/3L grades are subject to so many variables -- the ones you identify, minorities taking ____ studies bullshit to boost their GPAs, people slacking off once they get biglaw early in 2L fall semester, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35486229)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 7:32 PM
Author: Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter

the 2L and 3L classes I found the most interesting and thus took tended to be filled with gunners (1st Amendment, both Crim Pro classes, Fed Courts) that probably produced a tougher curve than the 1L classes.

i should have just taken contract drafting classes because i dont remember any of this shit now anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35486248)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 7:36 PM
Author: Deranged Primrose Black Woman

see, this is where gunners are retarded. they should just gun for high grades with a carefully crafted schedule rather than take the classic 2L/3L gunner classes.

i wanted to protect my 1L grades and not risk getting mediocre 2L grades, so i avoided all the gunner classes. i didnt take fucking fed courts and still got lots of COA interviews. taking all those gunner classes is utterly retarded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35486271)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 7:37 PM
Author: Talented mental disorder faggot firefighter

yeah, i posted above. i was top 10% and fell because i kept getting B+ owned in a bunch of these classes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35486275)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 7:42 PM
Author: Deranged Primrose Black Woman

just saw. sucks. it's classic gunner rat race flame to take all those classes. 2L/3L should be the easiest possible shit to pad/protect your gpa and enjoy your life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35486301)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 8:24 PM
Author: walnut excitant legal warrant

I tried to do that, choosing classes purely by highest average grades, but ended up getting lower grades in bullshit seminars than in 1L curved classes, because there were no objective criteria at all. Obviously I'm not a gunner, though, and they'd probably thrive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35517311)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 10:07 PM
Author: Nubile parlor jew

True. Seminars at CCN are an easy B+.

I've seen GULC transcripts (lots of transfers just abandon their resumes and transcripts around campus), and their seminars are in fact easy A-s.

But if you're at GULC stacking up on seminars, chances are you struck out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35517861)



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Date: February 25th, 2018 1:56 PM
Author: vigorous gay wizard market

the opposite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35483811)



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Date: February 26th, 2018 4:02 PM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Voyeur

https://www.manhattanprep.com/lsat/forums/165-slump-t18088.html

Hey all,

I've been studying for the LSAT for more or less than a year and I've been stuck in this 165 phase for about 7 months now. My initial diagnostic was a 143, but now I'm getting anywhere from about -3/6 on LR sections, -5/7 on RC and -0/2 on LG. I'm a slow reader and I can't seem to get inference questions right on RC. For LR, I'm also missing the inference/MBT questions the most, and some sufficient assumption questions. I've also taken all PTs from 1-71 and probably taken it more than once or twice at this point.

I've only very recently (1 month now) been going back and reviewing/re-solving the questions I got wrong, on a different day (I give it about a week).

Books I've Used:

Powerscore LR

Manhattan LR

Manhattan RC

I also took a Kaplan course before I really started studying for the LSAT.

I'm really not sure what to do at this point... If I keep reviewing the way I'm reviewing now, will my score improve? Or is a 165 my max potential and I'm maxed out now? Any other study tips will also be helpful. ALSO if someone can tell me how they study when they buy their Manhattan LR book and what's the most efficient way to study it/review it.

Thanks in advance!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35492439)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/15336/plataeu-at-164-what-to-do

Plateauing at 164, started at a 144 in June, so I'm stoked on the improvement. My goal is to get a 170+ on the June LSAT, so I want to be PTing above a 170 really really soon. I need advice on what to do. I know a lot of you who got a 170+ score probably were stuck in a plateau for a long time. I really want to know how you handled to situation and what you did to get over the hump. Obviously, the specifics will be different for each person, so I just want to know how you personally handled the situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35516152)



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Date: March 1st, 2018 8:08 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

PEOPLE STUDY FOR 2 YEARS. JESUS CHRIST.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35517241)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 1:35 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle

marcosmcqueen

a day ago 203 karma

Two years of study, four takes of the LSAT and finally...170!!! That was my goal and I'm over the moon. Off to send unnecessary updates to the schools where I've applied!

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/15316/official-february-2018-lsat-waiting-thread/p9

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35562185)



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Date: March 8th, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35566401)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: crimson wrinkle

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/15943/one-year-study-plan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35899565)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:55 AM
Author: crimson wrinkle

https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/8e59t7/finally_cracked_170_on_a_pt/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35899590)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:56 AM
Author: slimy pervert

I suspect the superstudies who grind to low 170s perform better in LS than their natural 174+ low-UG-GPA counterparts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35899598)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:02 AM
Author: Laughsome grizzly lodge

Aren't you guys like 40 years old? Still going on about this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35899620)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:04 AM
Author: opaque shivering immigrant

I tutored LSAT for 7 years. I saw every possible type. AMA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35899631)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: crimson wrinkle

Did you have any students who had already improved before coming to you and couldn't improve with you (b/c they already reached their ceiling)? How did you handle them?

Any students who legit couldn't read more than basic sentences? How did you handle them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35899641)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: crimson wrinkle

Any students who started high (high 150s or low 160s) but for some reason couldn't improve more than a couple points? I assume these students started strong on LG?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35899644)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: very tactful vermilion messiness

what's the biggest improvement you saw?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35899717)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:27 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#35900420)



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Date: June 5th, 2018 3:02 PM
Author: crimson wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3902925&forum_id=2#36188635)