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How would Michael Jordan fare in todays NBA?
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:28 AM Author: black university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592614) |
Date: March 13th, 2018 12:30 AM Author: Effete public bath The same as he fared back in the 90s. Players today are more athletic but overall less fundamentally sound. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592624) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:40 AM Author: black university So ur saying that today, players are less like George Mikan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592676) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:42 AM Author: Effete public bath Many players today have tremendous athleticism but don't really have the basics down. Countless guys in the NBA with no jumpshot, terrible defense, and low bball IQ...but in the NBA due to size and athleticism. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592686) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:57 AM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk this is the kind of retarded shit that sounds intuitive to someone that doesn’t watch basketball.
simple truth: players have improved exponentially over time. this will likely continue. 10 larry birds aren’t better than one kevin durant. 10 magic johnsons weren’t better than one lebron james. 50 bill russells weren’t better than one anthony davis. *GASP* 15 minutes on youtube will bear this out. by way of example, larry bird had the highest 3pt fg% in the league one year with a whopping 30%.
MJ is a special case and i’m actually not sure how he’d do. his game is objectively less valuable today than it was in the 90s. give me 2012-13 Lebron James or 2015-16 STEPHEN WARDELL CURRY over MJ NOW CRY AND BE OFFENDED. both are better suited for today's pace, space and ball movement. on the other hand, MJ would surely love not having to dealing with hand checking anymore.
this is tricky and isn’t easily reduced to “modern players soft so mj better” |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 1:00 AM Author: Effete public bath Nah man, I can run off a list of dudes who can't really play but are in the NBA due to size/athleticism.
This doesn't include the top 100 players currently. |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk big men are unplayable in today's nba unless they know how to switch multiple positions on defense, make smart reads and have some shooting range
charles oakley and dennis rodman couldn’t even be ball boys today |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Effete public bath This is not true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595900) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk ive never said anything more true in my life. ask jahlil okafor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595907) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:19 PM Author: Effete public bath There are a ton of scrub bigs in the NBA today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595928) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:43 AM Author: stubborn sinister church legal warrant Are we just ignoring players likes Boogie Cousins, Anthony Davis, Porzingis? Skilled big men like this did not exist in the 90s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610542) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:10 AM Author: Self-absorbed theater stage anthony davis is basically an otis thorpe in the nba of the 1990s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610707) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:37 AM Author: stubborn sinister church legal warrant lol, come on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610927) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 7:35 AM Author: Talking Digit Ratio I had not completely dismissed your opinion as worthless until this comment about Dennis Rodman being some sort of defensive liability in today's game. But this made it obvious you have no clue what you're talking about re: anything that happened in the NBA before 2002. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35609804) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Orchid 180 School Not a big NBAmo, but that Rodman dis is absurd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610876) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:11 PM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk rodman was fine (he aggressively chased rebounds at the expense of defense but whatever). i had in mind the fact that teams in 2018 (no illegal defense) would but their center on him and then ignore him.
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:42 PM Author: Talking Digit Ratio You are MFEing out of control in this subthread. Please review these clips and point out where Rodman aggressively chased rebounds at the expense of defense:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hpbHgEVdvX0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=89IQcTPHkRs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?index=27&list=PLl0ny9_3DLnEdlxfDU9cMbUPTP51kYQOg&v=EglLZwE_fr
That’s arguably the best PG, C and PF of all time in their absolute primes, and Rodman as a second year, mid career and 10 year vet. Go get your motherfuckin shine box.
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:34 PM Author: Irradiated Piazza https://skepticalsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/082010_1312_TheCaseforD2.png (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611254) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk important questions: is the goal of basketball to maximize rebound%? can you think of any trade offs when a team decidss how much to focus on them (ie defensive positioning, giving up transition offense, offensive spacing etc).? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612622) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: stubborn sinister church legal warrant modern analytic world likes to look at contested rebounds. I think it's somewhere close to like 90% of rebounds are caught below 6 feet. A guy eating up a bunch of gimme rebounds to fill the stat sheet isn't the same as a guy taking away rebounds that would have otherwise gone to the other team.
Not saying Rodman wasn't a GOAT rebounder, just pointing out that total rebounds doesn't present the whole picture |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 1:02 AM Author: nubile cream tanning salon goyim jordan played against kobe and was clearly better, and kobe was better than lebron. david robinson is better than any big man currently in the NBA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592796) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 1:10 AM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk the fact that people think kobe bryant and lebron james is a reasonable discussion speaks to the idiocy of sports fans. lebron james by like his 3rd season was a better basketball player than kobe at his absolute peak
you basically said one plus one equals 8 and then invited me to have a conversation about math. nah i’m good with the rest of your post lol |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:20 PM Author: Flushed Stage cr fucking lol at the kobe>labron flame. It's preposterous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595944) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:26 AM Author: know-it-all passionate trailer park old irish cottage Magic > LeBron though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35609492) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 7:37 AM Author: Talking Digit Ratio If you had any concept of a player's value on defense you would realize how retarded this comment was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35609805) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: canary school cafeteria sex offender Jordan would literally rape LeBron (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595961) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: Mind-boggling philosopher-king CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612705) |
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Date: March 14th, 2018 11:26 PM Author: provocative bat-shit-crazy toaster stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35608467) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: Amethyst office ladyboy In the 2007-10 period, LeBron was greater at his peak, but not as consistent as Kobe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611642) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 5:19 PM Author: Amethyst office ladyboy lebron doesn't pass kobe until 2011 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#40232067) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595895) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: Snowy slippery abode "by way of example, larry bird had the highest 3pt fg% in the league one year with a whopping 30%"
Back then, many of his threes were off of broken plays. Coaches back then weren't setting up plays for shots beyond the arc. Also, it was a lot easier to contest a three back then when you had hand-checking and ref's looked the other way when there was contact on a shot (especially after the release of the ball).
I think Bird is actually one of the players who would fair well in the league today. His game would have to gravitate more to the outside but he'd be better than a prime Dirk Nowitzki. I agree that it's hard to tell with older players. Some of them have games that just wouldn't adjust well at all. |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:41 AM Author: provocative bat-shit-crazy toaster stage He'd be somewhere between Demarr DeRozan and Chris Paul. Solid player, seen as a Wiley vet, but ultimately not a centerpeice for a legit contender. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592683) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:43 AM Author: drunken dilemma juggernaut you mean at his current age? probably cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592689) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:44 AM Author: Thriller garrison gunner Cr, dude is on his 50s, can't expect too much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592693) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:47 AM Author: Effete public bath In his prime> No way....he'd likely be on par with Lebron, Durant, Westbrook. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592714) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 12:53 AM Author: apoplectic nursing home (LeBron) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592746) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 1:13 AM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk lol i’m a jordan truther and this is lunacy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592860) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:21 PM Author: Flushed Stage cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595951) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 1:15 AM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe Lack of hand checking + no def 3 secs in the key = >45 ppg. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592866) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 1:16 AM Author: Kink-friendly boltzmann milk but see zone defense today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592869) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 1:16 AM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe Zone def was played in the 80s/90s. Rule was not enforced (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35592872) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: laughsome pit stock car If he had another uninterrupted 15 seasons he would probably end up with 5-6 MVPs. Give him a supporting cast equal to Pippen, Grant, Rodman, etc. and a quality coach and you could expect as many if not more championships. Basically, he'd dominate just as much if not more. Youngins just don't realize how much of a freak athlete he was in the 80s so he would not skip a beat against today's defenders. NBA defense of the 80s/90s>>>>00s>>>>>today's. And once he got older and slower he would still average 30 on jump and foul shots. I have no doubt he would improve as a 3 point shooter if the trends of the game demanded it so he might even be averaging 35. He used to take a lot of inefficient (by modern standards) 20 ft jump shots. You truly missed out if you didn't get to enjoy MJ in his prime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595957) |
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Date: March 14th, 2018 10:44 PM Author: black university I disagree that the 20 ft jump shots were inefficient. His fadeaway jump shot in the quasi-post was about as deadly and unblockable as the sky hook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35608144) |
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Date: March 14th, 2018 10:49 PM Author: black university https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xV_ppT8QbW8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35608188) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:44 AM Author: stubborn sinister church legal warrant do you know how math works? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610553) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:29 AM Author: laughsome pit stock car Didn't say they were inefficient, said they would be by modern standards. I mean he only converted about 40% of them, and the modern game would dictate that he pass more of them off to Armstrong, Kerr and Paxson on the wings, or to Grant in the paint or a slashing Pippen, so his assist number may rise. I agree they were deadly as fuck, especially in the clutch situations which is why neckbeards who talk about his FG% just don't get sports and shouldn't debate them. Also he would be taking more 3 pt shots with a jab step and pull up at the expense of the dribble backdown fadeaway 2s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610867) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: Orchid 180 School MJ's performance in clutch situations was unreal. There was an unshakeable feeling that, no matter what else happened, he was going to win when it mattered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612062) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 8:09 AM Author: disgusting lay voyeur Did Jordan succeed in another environment besides Bulls with Phil Jackson, Pippen / rodman etc?
Serious question because the reason I ask - if I remember correctly - when Jordan first left in 93-94 season, the Bulls only won two fewer games with the same or very similar roster but no Jordan. I'm not saying this means Jordan got carried by his team - but this is probably as close to an experiment as you'll get in sports environment and it seems as if the Bulls did practically just as well the year Jordan left. Just that maybe his coach and team was much more crucial part of his success than people think? |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:37 AM Author: aqua anal church building How’d they do in the playoffs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610515) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe Its the same as the Brady vs. Manning debate. Manning was worth more to he Colts who basically created its offense to suit Manning, whereas Brady plays within the Patriot system. So if you take Manning out, the Colts lose 14 games because the system isn’t suited for another QB. But most people would say Brady > Manning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610588) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: Amethyst office ladyboy Yes but 1) they lost in the conference finals to the knicks and 2) the following year they were really floundering before Jordan made his return (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611669) |
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Date: March 13th, 2018 2:22 PM Author: Flushed Stage Would avg 15/5/5 with a .475 eFG% and a .525 TS%. Would get styled on constantly by better men. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35595964) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:29 AM Author: know-it-all passionate trailer park old irish cottage perennial all-star but not the GOAT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35609493) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:36 AM Author: nudist dashing therapy main people why is everyone assuming that jordan's game would remain intact? obviously he would've made adjustments for today's NBA, extending his range etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35609498) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:04 PM Author: Exhilarant codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612472) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:23 AM Author: Godawful area antidepressant drug he'd murder the league like he murdered the king of Wakanda (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35609561) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:16 AM Author: swashbuckling chartreuse lodge goal in life *awkwardly mimics speech of inner city youths* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610740) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:52 AM Author: Self-absorbed theater stage He would be the same or likely even much better.
For a perfect example that players have not gotten better (and definitely not exponentially so), look at Clint Capela. He's a pretty fucking effective center these days. Runs the floor well, blocks shots, grabs boards, hits the easy shots he takes at a high percentage. The Rockets are something like 38-2 when he plays with Harden and Paul and he has a 24.7 PER, which is actually #2 in the entire NBA among centers and #13 overall. In fact, that PER is right in the range of Hakeem Olajuwon's better years and not that far off from his best, and they were similar players in the general sense that both were long, athletic power forwards slotted in at center instead of their true position.
Now go compare some video of these two players. Olajuwon was exponentially better in literally every facet of the game. Absolutely elite defender. Could put the ball on the floor and go coast to coast. Poast moves light years beyond Capela. Mid range and shooting light years beyond. Passing and court vision light years beyond. And Dream was doing it against Shaq, Robinson, Mutombo, Mourning, Ewing, and a number of other centers who could step in and dominate today.
For further fucking review, look at the case study of Mutombo. The Rockets had their all-NBA center go down with an injury during a long winning streak. At like 50 fucking years old, Mutombo stepped in and dominated, was having 20 rebound games and swatting the shit out of everyone, and the Rockets kept winning and their D-rating with fossilized Mutombo went up by as much as their O-rating went down with the loss of Yao.
This is important because it is one of the few times we actually got to see a good (but not the best at his position) player from the Jordan era play in the modern era. Clearly new players had not had an overall skill increase that rendered players from an older era obsolete. In fact, the overall skill level has decreased over time because a clearly past his prime relic was able to go BUCK FUCKING WILD on the pussies in today's NBA. Also, do not estimate how many fucking fouls MJ would draw today. If his games had the same officiating as today he would have been shooting 30 free throws on average.
This is why I lmao when people say MJ would be anything approaching "above average" today. No. Steph Curry is generally regarded as one of the best todsy. Yet that faggot would not even be able to get his shot off against MJ unless it was a fast break, and would be constantly getting his shit stolen if he ever put the ball on the floor. MJ was one of the most intense, insane competitors of all time in any sport, and he would literally grind that little bitch into the ground with his D. Nor would Stephanie be able to guard MJ. Can you imagine him trying to stop an MJ drive or midrange shot? LOL just fucking LOL. Everyone itt underestimates how brutal it was to keep up with MJ on both end of the floor for an entire game and even contain him a little bit. . . the only players who got anything done at all were literally insane alpha thug gangbangers like Vernon Maxwell. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 7:59 AM Author: disgusting lay voyeur Not gonna argue about MJ - but players improving should sound very intuitive from a statistical sense over the long run (ignoring small year to year variation, team to team etc.).
The sample of potential NBA players increases significantly over time, as does nutrition science, training, sports science, analytics, etc. NBA players are now scouted from a global pool, and basketball participation / the number of people playing surely isn't decreasing.
Now maybe we have to define "skill" - because obviously the league was very different as were play styles. I think it's hard to make an argument that players are not more athletic, faster and stronger today. I don't think using anecdotal evidence of Capela's PER vs. the dream's PER is a meaningful argument (again I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that players then weren't better - but I think we need something better than look at this guy vs. look at that guy on youtube) - because PER has been shown to be deeply flawed and there's only a slight but pathetically small correlation positive correlation between PER and win % differential as one example. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:41 AM Author: aqua anal church building I think the rule changes and physicality are far more significant that skill increases from 99-18 in a sport that is more than 100 years old and where you can’t PED anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610528) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:09 AM Author: Self-absorbed theater stage This nigga acts like the 1990s were the fucking dark ages where nobody knew how to eat or lift. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610697) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:29 PM Author: aqua anal church building In 15 years they’ll say the same thing about today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612699) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Up-to-no-good Step-uncle's House Not this simple. When I was a kid, we were playing sports after school year round. Now kids play world of Warcraft and browse porn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611414) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:30 AM Author: claret stirring cuck station cr analysis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610493) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe Cr but Re: your last paragraph, it would really depend on which era’s rules they’re playing in. Using 80s/90s rules (ie hand check, etc), you are absolutely cr. But using today’s rules, MJ would have a more difficult time, though still limit Curry’s effectiveness to some degree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610606) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 7:43 AM Author: Talking Digit Ratio He was taller, far more skilled and more athletic than Westbrook (though not quite as fast). The Jordan rules meant either doubling him as soon as he got the ball or funneling him to a big to give him a smack. He would score a lot and have a lot of assists. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35609815) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:45 AM Author: Spruce sticky corn cake The same as DeRozan. Good, but not MVP level. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610555) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Flushed Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610599) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: Flushed Stage His ceiling is roughly ~Bradley Beal in today's game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610608) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:01 AM Author: stubborn sinister church legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610645) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:03 AM Author: Lascivious Menage Boiling Water He wouldn't have the benefit of every play being an iso, which would diminish his numbers a little bit. Otherwise, pretty much the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610660) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: laughsome pit stock car These MJ threads always raise my blood pressure and make me feel boomer. Millenials doubting MJ's ability makes me want to kick their manlet asses off my lawn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610889) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: Flushed Stage I'm not saying he couldn't carve out a strong niche as a "3 & D" guy (would obv have to work on his outside shot), but he'd be lucky to make the second round as a team's #1 option today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610920) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: stubborn sinister church legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35610952) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:45 PM Author: Talking Digit Ratio This really is the single best trolling tactic for Millennials v Gen X. Like I know you're just fucking with me, but if I saw you on the street I would beat your face with a metal pipe until it looked like a bowl of strawberry jelly for saying this stupid shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611321) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:48 PM Author: Flushed Stage It's funny that you think MJ's archaic midrange skillset that produces absolutely ZERO floor spacing could hack it in today's game.
I'm sure he could stuff the stat sheet on losing teams but the game has passed him by. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:56 PM Author: Talking Digit Ratio Read my comment below, and then punch yourself in the face a few times. It's for your own good. He didn't have a "mid range game" until he had played for 10+ years, and even then he was still a huge problem for all 5 guys on whatever defense he faced until at least 98. 85-94 Jordan was the best finisher at the rim ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611412) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Flushed Stage Yes it was very clear he could dominate dead ball era scrubs.
Now let's see him try shooting threes or finishing at the rim versus the uber-athletic bigs of today's game. Hint: he can't. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe Lmao at “finishing at the rim” in today’s game. Bill Russell (today) can finish at the rim in today’s game where everyone basically has a free lane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612133) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:10 PM Author: Flushed Stage u gen xers are easy to rile up did u know that
edit: nevermind I confused you for the pumo who started quaking with rage upthread |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe Nah. Just feel sorry for millennials who never had the chance to watch MJ in his prime and think LeBron is some otherworldly talent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612541) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Snowy slippery abode He'd be at the line all day in today's game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612352) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:09 PM Author: laughsome pit stock car See this is where you just out yourself as just plain ignorant about NBA history. If you think today's bigs were better defenders/players than those that Jordan faced like Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing, not to mention the bigs on teams like the Pistons, Celtics, etc., you're a loon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613000) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Flushed Stage brother, I've been very obviously trolling this entire time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613207) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:30 PM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613221) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:43 PM Author: laughsome pit stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613343) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:52 PM Author: stubborn sinister church legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613412) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:05 PM Author: laughsome pit stock car I'm triggered as fuck and seething with rage. You have violated my safe space. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612962) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:30 PM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe But you’d be totally justified in doing so (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611235) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:42 PM Author: Offensive Vigorous State We’re assumig Jordan has access to modern training, nutrition , coaching and all that stuff right?
He’d be really good. LeBron vs Jordan debates would be even more heated than today. Young Jordan would be impossible to keep away from rim with handchecking not being allowed. Older Jordan would need to shoot the 3 a little better than Jordan actually did but it seems everyone works on this a lot more now so we can assume Jordan would do fine. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:54 PM Author: Talking Digit Ratio The single dumbest aspect of this thread is how little it accounts for 1) pick and roll, and 2) drive and dish as tools in Jordan's toolbox in 2018 NBA post rule changes. As a defense you would be choosing between a badly contested layup that would result in an and-one two thirds of the time and a wide open 3 or open alley oop at the basket depending on how you would rotate. Jordan's elite skill wasn't mid-range shooting. It was beating guys off the dribble and finishing at the rim. He was literally the best ever at that and it's not close and it's the single best skill a person can have to put pressure on a defense in 5-5 half court basketball. It's the best argument for him over Lebron bc Lebron has never had real game off the bounce and has always done most of his damage just bullrushing to the rim. Kobe was nowhere close to Jordan off the dribble, which is why he had to be the best "hard shot maker" ever, which is why advanced analytics hate Kobe (i.e. because his on-ball game didn't make anyone else better) and love Jordan (because his on-ball game helped the rest of his team more than anyone else's ever). Leaving this thread now to go find the defib paddles in our office. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611380) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 12:58 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle ape locus "which is why he had to be the best "hard shot maker" ever, which is why advanced analytics hate Kobe (i.e. because his on-ball game didn't make anyone else better)"
interesting. i dont know anything abou tkobe. can you expand? |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:28 PM Author: Amethyst office ladyboy Take the vibrator out of your ass and watch some Kobe docs on YouTube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35611710) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Offensive Vigorous State Wow good post.
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:20 PM Author: stubborn sinister church legal warrant this seems pretty accurate.
Even in today's analytic-driven world--open shot at the rim is better than any 3 pointer |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:10 PM Author: laughsome pit stock car No they'd be even less heated because there is no question MJ>Lebron. None. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613017) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 1:18 PM Author: Amethyst office ladyboy There *are* many classic teams and players that would fare less well in today’s NBA, some of them so poorly that you’d wonder where they would find room to adjust and adapt their games to our twinkball era. Bill Russell would in up against far more closely competitive talent, for example, and his leadership would be undermined by his struggles to get good stats, not to mention the whole three point line. The bad boy pistons and pat riley thug knicks teams would also be in foul and suspension trouble if they played the same way.
Michael Jordan, however, is guaranteed to 1) psychotically train to adapt to the three spree game, and 2) have the physical frame to be successful during every possible style of the game - he is literally the average height and weight of every single NBA player across all eras. I think he is a T5 player in not only today’s NBA, but all future versions of the nba. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: Sooty dysfunction scourge upon the earth He would insanely train to become an elite 3 point shooter.
He would murder everyone and shoot twice and many free throws as Harden. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Exhilarant codepig ran here. mj taking 1000 corner 3s after every practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612338) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: Beady-eyed round eye (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612368) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Talking Digit Ratio CR. Harden is a much better comparison than derozan. Better outside shot, albeit after years and years of practicing that skill that Jordan didn’t have and really only a B+/mid-30s % shooter. But imagine Harden with the ability to dunk over 7 footers on the reg, more quickness changing direction, plus the best array of head and ball fakes in modern basketball, and always looking to draw contact (like Harden), and you’ve got some idea of Jordan in his prime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612450) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: Sooty dysfunction scourge upon the earth basically take the best attributes of harden and westbrook and combine them and put them in a taller person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612685) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:07 PM Author: canary school cafeteria sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612501) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 2:43 PM Author: Racy orchestra pit Michael B. Jordan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612311) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:13 PM Author: Fragrant newt Older millennials flame MJ and his "intangibles" so hard. They were too young to witness MJ, and too old to grow up with LeBron.
The comparison is equivalent to putting Steve Young in today's NFL. Or Shaq in 1980's bball. It's just fucking stupid to argue there have not been leaps and bounds in pro sports athelticiam and sophistication in the 2000's. Especially in the NBA/NFL.
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:15 PM Author: wonderful set Steve Young in today's NFL would still be pretty damn good (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612577) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Fragrant newt Probably be T2 Kirk cousins level. I could see him geling with a good system and QB protection rules but the speed of defenses would seriously hamstring his play. Just like MJ. He'd still be good. Just not dominant.
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:23 PM Author: Flushed Stage lol no he'd still be awesome, don't be a fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612654) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Fragrant newt Probably would have a few drew Brees level seasons. But cmon. You have to attribute a good portion of Steve Young's west coast offense and half the divisions in the league have been playing against similair offenses for years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612728) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:35 PM Author: wonderful set He was a running QB too. You know that? He would fit in well with today's NFL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612747) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:43 PM Author: Fragrant newt Russel Wilson is another good modern comparassion. He'd be good, just not legendary or dominant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612794) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Orchid 180 School So, about as good as he was when he played? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612977) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: wonderful set Keeping in mind he went to the USFL, played with the shitty Buccaneers and backed-up the greatest QB ever so he didn't get a real shot at showing how good he was until he was 30. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613133) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe Jfc. Young averaged over a 67% completion percentage during the 90s when DBs were allowed to press and bump WRs over 5 yards. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612670) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:30 PM Author: Fragrant newt So...like Kirk cousins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612703) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:32 PM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe I dont think Cousins played in an era when DBs could maul WRs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612724) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:38 PM Author: Fragrant newt Neither did young for half of his career (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612769) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:45 PM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe It wasnt until 2004 when the Colts successfully lobbied the NFL to really enforce illegal contact beyond 5 yds, which led to todays wide open passing game and inflated QB stats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612813) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:25 PM Author: vibrant idiotic national security agency yarmulke LJL are you like some kind of super retarted faggot or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612672) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:35 PM Author: Fragrant newt You wanna make the Emmitt Smith arguement too? Go grab your POG set and watch The Simpsons and GTFO out of my subthread you bush voting cuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612744) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:37 PM Author: vibrant idiotic national security agency yarmulke "the game is soooooo much tougher now that every hit is scrutinized for being illegally hard, you don't even know!" the especially retarded fag insisted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612761) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:41 PM Author: Fragrant newt Go strap on a leather helmet to your dumb fucking head and think about what 60's players would have shined in the 80's (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612779) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:46 PM Author: vibrant idiotic national security agency yarmulke *has actual strap-on in ass* reggie white wouldn't do shit against jonathan martin!!! |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: Talking Digit Ratio Mark Schlereth did 26 reps of 225 LAST WEEK.
http://1043thefan.com/166873/mark-schlereth-bench-press-challenge-pritchard-cecil/
Not that surprising considering his dad could bench 320 and his uncle ran a 56 second 400 when they were both in their 50s.
I guarantee Schlereth would be a probowler in today’s NFL as would 6’6” 260 lb Charles Mann and 6’4” 270 lb Dexter Manley, despite his illiteracy. |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:03 PM Author: vibrant idiotic national security agency yarmulke and larry allen is probably the strongest dude to ever put on pads. but would be just totally overmatched in TODAY'S game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612933) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:31 PM Author: Flushed Stage related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcWMC9vkZg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613229) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:44 PM Author: Diverse deer antler jfc. that monster put up 700 on the bench (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613362) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:12 PM Author: laughsome pit stock car Stupid fucking post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613029) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Diverse deer antler lmao the only question is how much more he would thrive in the post physical enforcer style of play that was tolerated from the 80s and 90s. the only way to keep him from scoring is to foul (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612726) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:34 PM Author: contagious theater sweet tailpipe http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&mc=106&forum_id=2#35592866 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612737) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:35 PM Author: vibrant idiotic national security agency yarmulke CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612746) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Diverse deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35612751) |
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Date: March 15th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: motley confused place of business Jordan's game would most resemble D-Wade, but 2x better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35613115) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 8:48 AM Author: Amethyst office ladyboy We re-litigate this flame bait every two weeks, not because any of the shit really gets a rise out of those of us who witnessed Jordan’s greatness, but in the vain hope there are actual new posters here under age 35 instead of the same few old squawking autists (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35617986) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 8:49 AM Author: apoplectic nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35617989) |
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Date: March 16th, 2018 9:00 AM Author: avocado home The "MJ would train and become an elite 3 point shooter" meme is retarded. It's... not that simple. If it were Lebron would be an elite 3 point shooter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35618029) |
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Date: March 19th, 2018 7:26 AM Author: Outnumbered carmine azn blood rage Lebron has no skill though, cunt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#35636233) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 5:11 PM Author: nofapping son of senegal gas station It's sad and sick to suggest that rising paychecks, increased popularity and increased competition after the late 90s would cause overall talent levels to rise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3917054&forum_id=2#40232022) |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 5:35 PM Author: Amethyst office ladyboy Would you think that Alexander and Napoleon would make poor generals today because they've never seen an airplane?
Hell, would you think Alexander would be BTFO in Napoleon's era because he never saw a gun?
The real FAIR comparison is to ask Napoleon to command a phalanx, from horseback, without stirrups.
That kind of fallacy is what it sounds like when the youth of today, big dildos fully inserted into their asses, virtually insert a hologram of historical footage of past stars onto today's court. You don't think Jerry Krause gets a couple of above-league average 3-point shooters to surround Jordan in 2020? Or do you think Bill Cartwright is still being trotted out? |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 5:44 PM Author: Amethyst office ladyboy Do you think Larry Bird is still allowed to shovel his own driveway in 2020 to ruin his back?
Do you think Michael is even allowed to retire from the Bulls, twice, given the inherent GC economic pressures?
The fact is all-time greats maximized their own performance in their own eras, and there is no indication that they'd maximize any less given today's sports science and team institutional support.
The anti-Jordan guys need to show really dispositive proof of the game becoming HARDER today, not easier and softer. Something like Bill Russell's teams being given first-round byes in a league that drew upon a much smaller talent pool.
(If the Filipino league allowed defenders to hack at lane-drivers with machetes, that game would be clearly be harder than NBA basketball, despite the athletic talents of the players being lower.)
While players today are more athletic, those 90s defenses would've murdered KD, Curry, Harden, AD, etc. |
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Date: May 18th, 2020 5:49 PM Author: Stimulating rough-skinned international law enforcement agency He would do whatever it took to win, even if that meant taking new, better drugs.
So the answer is he is ALWAYS top dog. You can't mimic that mental obsession. |