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If you're having two kids is boy/boy or boy/girl more CR?

Already have one boy, finding out tonight if second is boy o...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
how bout you pull for a healthy child and mother
Violent incel address
  03/19/18
(103 iq scholar getting 27 likes on facebook
Garnet beady-eyed orchestra pit
  03/19/18
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Judgmental church
  03/19/18
fair point, Wilbur.
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
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Stimulating death wish
  03/19/18
All boys is always tcr
Grizzly razzle library love of her life
  03/19/18
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Big Rusted Principal's Office Police Squad
  03/19/18
girsl are mor elikely to take care of you in old age and kee...
yellow meetinghouse
  03/19/18
that's the appeal of a girl, tbh. that, and it seems like t...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
I can confirm re crazy toddler. But they say high school gir...
yellow meetinghouse
  03/19/18
that's what I've heard to. With boys you're front-loading t...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
Girl then boy is ideal It’s too late for you haha sorry a...
Soul-stirring corner psychic
  03/19/18
I don't agree with that at all----if I'd had a girl first I'...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
Look, I’d love to throw a ball with my little boy too. But ...
Soul-stirring corner psychic
  03/19/18
There are actually some studies on this. Boys with an older...
yellow meetinghouse
  03/19/18
Same, no sisters. Had to learn a lot of shit on my own. ...
Soul-stirring corner psychic
  03/19/18
Exactly. Shrink I know passed on the info on studies. I go...
yellow meetinghouse
  03/19/18
Which raises the question, why the hell is incest considered...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
(((producers))) are running out of ways to undermine society...
yellow meetinghouse
  03/19/18
I wanted 2 boys because i think same sex have higher chance ...
Crystalline dashing depressive locus
  03/19/18
lmao at baby nutelliot rodger's early warning signs
mint haunting gaping institution
  03/19/18
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Soul-stirring corner psychic
  03/19/18
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carmine ape
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apoplectic buff preventive strike
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Stimulating death wish
  03/19/18
Our son really wants a sister for some reason, so it looks l...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
Lol, yeah, my son always said sister when I asked him what h...
Crystalline dashing depressive locus
  03/19/18
I do wonder about the experience of having a sibling suddenl...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
I am an only child too so I have no experience either. My h...
Crystalline dashing depressive locus
  03/19/18
Your husband has a point---I remember with our first I paid ...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
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Drunken mood travel guidebook
  03/19/18
boys. always boys.
rose submissive rehab
  03/19/18
I'd rather have two of the same. seems like less work and m...
Lascivious market
  03/19/18
Doesn't really matter. People's biological sex at birth has...
White comical field
  03/19/18
sadly true these days, lol!
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
Same siblings close together can become competitive. You hav...
Glittery voyeur office
  03/19/18
It's going to be close to a 4 year age gap by the time the n...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
UPDATE: It's a boy!
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
180
Lascivious market
  03/19/18
Congrats! Wifey will likely push for a 3rd so be ready!
Glittery voyeur office
  03/19/18
...
tan genital piercing
  03/19/18
i would never push for a 3rd
tan genital piercing
  03/19/18
Thanks! Unfortunately I we'll be a little too old to go for ...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
how old is too old to go for a kid?
tan genital piercing
  03/19/18
Well, probably biologically it would be possible but she'd b...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
congratulations btw!
tan genital piercing
  03/19/18
thanks!
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
It's going to be really tough for her to give up on the idea...
Glittery voyeur office
  03/19/18
You might very well be right---she does seem to get weirdly ...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
In the beginning it's "haha wow holy shit" but it ...
Glittery voyeur office
  03/19/18
Interesting. Ty.
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
the more you have of one sex the more likley it is you'll ha...
yellow meetinghouse
  03/19/18
Congrats
bull headed arousing dingle berry
  03/19/18
Thank you:)
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
Yay!!! No need to buy new clothes and they can fight and be...
Crystalline dashing depressive locus
  03/19/18
I'm relieved about not having to buy new toys---we have frie...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
Well we are not getting any girl toys or dollhouse things so...
Crystalline dashing depressive locus
  03/19/18
I could never tell how much of the "girl toy" thin...
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
Yeah I’m not against gender specific toys, I just don’t want...
Crystalline dashing depressive locus
  03/19/18
congrats
yellow meetinghouse
  03/19/18
thanks very much!
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
congrats, brother!
Angry Bistre Sandwich Theater
  03/19/18
Thank you!
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18
If you're only having two, I say boy/boy. Boys need a brothe...
Exhilarant Stage
  03/19/18
thank you, brother. i'm pretty happy with the outcome.
laughsome learning disabled den jew
  03/19/18


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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Already have one boy, finding out tonight if second is boy or girl (or zhe).

What should I be pulling for?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35638977)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: Violent incel address

how bout you pull for a healthy child and mother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35638988)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: Garnet beady-eyed orchestra pit

(103 iq scholar getting 27 likes on facebook



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:50 PM
Author: Judgmental church



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:56 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

fair point, Wilbur.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639075)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Stimulating death wish



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:50 PM
Author: Grizzly razzle library love of her life

All boys is always tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639020)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: Big Rusted Principal's Office Police Squad



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: yellow meetinghouse

girsl are mor elikely to take care of you in old age and keep family together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639060)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:55 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

that's the appeal of a girl, tbh. that, and it seems like they might be a little less crazy in the toddler years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639066)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: yellow meetinghouse

I can confirm re crazy toddler. But they say high school girls are 120.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639085)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

that's what I've heard to. With boys you're front-loading the hassle but the high school years are blessedly free of drama.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639106)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: Soul-stirring corner psychic

Girl then boy is ideal

It’s too late for you haha sorry about that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639064)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

I don't agree with that at all----if I'd had a girl first I'd have been really hoping for a boy this time around. As it is I'm pretty indifferent as to which it is.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639080)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: Soul-stirring corner psychic

Look, I’d love to throw a ball with my little boy too. But girls are a calming presence in the early years while the boy would otherwise cause ruckus, and in turn he will look out and protect her once she’s high school age to minimize your headache.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639218)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:23 PM
Author: yellow meetinghouse

There are actually some studies on this. Boys with an older sister have better life outcomes and are generally more socialized. We had only boys growing up and I never understood any girl shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639327)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: Soul-stirring corner psychic

Same, no sisters. Had to learn a lot of shit on my own.

Link to these studies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639349)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: yellow meetinghouse

Exactly. Shrink I know passed on the info on studies. I googled it and got back porn links and stopped.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639644)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Which raises the question, why the hell is incest considered so hot these days? I really don't get it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639689)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: yellow meetinghouse

(((producers))) are running out of ways to undermine society

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639714)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:16 PM
Author: Crystalline dashing depressive locus

I wanted 2 boys because i think same sex have higher chance of being close, but 2nd is a girl. Also the mother has more responsibility when puberty hits and self esteem issues come up. I don’t really want to deal with that. I was actually a bit disappointed but got over it in like a day. I’m hoping for a sweeter, less demonic toddler.

I bought my son Daniel tiger’s baby sister stuffed animal and said “this is your baby sister, please take care of her.” He slammed her against the wall and then ran all his toy trucks over her. When I asked him why he did that, he said “she’s crying.” Auspicious start.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639281)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: mint haunting gaping institution

lmao at baby nutelliot rodger's early warning signs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639300)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:19 PM
Author: Soul-stirring corner psychic



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:46 PM
Author: carmine ape



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Date: March 19th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: apoplectic buff preventive strike



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Date: March 19th, 2018 7:34 PM
Author: Stimulating death wish



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Our son really wants a sister for some reason, so it looks like he might be disappointed.

Really, I think you're getting the better deal. I think it would be fun to get a chance to raise one of each.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639402)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: Crystalline dashing depressive locus

Lol, yeah, my son always said sister when I asked him what he wanted before we found out. I think they view it as less competition. He’s in for a shock regardless since he’s used to getting all the attention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639461)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

I do wonder about the experience of having a sibling suddenly show up. I was an only child so I don't really have any experience with this sort of this, but I can't imagine it's pleasant to have someone show up and take up a healthy chunk of your parents' time and attention.

Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639505)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:47 PM
Author: Crystalline dashing depressive locus

I am an only child too so I have no experience either. My husband is 1 of 3 and said that he’s now realized that every kid after the first basically is an afterthought and gets screwed attention wise. The first at least had a period where they were the only and parents were super attentive due to caring too much. I’m much more worried about how my sons going to adjust than caring for the lump of a newborn that I can just stuff in the rock n play.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639546)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Your husband has a point---I remember with our first I paid a lot of attention during the ultrasounds and was charting crown-rump length measurements and things like that.

This time around I'm much less into the details of the process. I imagine that'll carry over once he's born.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639573)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: Drunken mood travel guidebook



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: rose submissive rehab

boys. always boys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639289)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: Lascivious market

I'd rather have two of the same. seems like less work and more likely they'd be close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639316)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:22 PM
Author: White comical field

Doesn't really matter. People's biological sex at birth has little to do with their ultimate gender identity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639325)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

sadly true these days, lol!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639408)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: Glittery voyeur office

Same siblings close together can become competitive. You have an older brother no matter what which his great. A girl means he can hit on her friends when they're older lol. Also less pressure for a third if you're hoping to stop at 2.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639382)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

It's going to be close to a 4 year age gap by the time the new one's here. I'm not sure what that means in terms of getting along, competition, things like that.

You're right, though---hitting on a little sister's friends is 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639428)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:30 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

UPDATE: It's a boy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639385)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:31 PM
Author: Lascivious market

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639388)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Glittery voyeur office

Congrats! Wifey will likely push for a 3rd so be ready!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639398)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: tan genital piercing



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: tan genital piercing

i would never push for a 3rd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639404)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Thanks! Unfortunately I we'll be a little too old to go for a third.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639416)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: tan genital piercing

how old is too old to go for a kid?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639419)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Well, probably biologically it would be possible but she'd be pushing late 30's by the time it came time to do anything about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639439)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: tan genital piercing

congratulations btw!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639450)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

thanks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639464)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:44 PM
Author: Glittery voyeur office

It's going to be really tough for her to give up on the idea of a girl once she's packing the last of the baby stuff away. The pressure will be strong. But enjoy #2! It is 180^180 watching the sibling interactions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639530)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

You might very well be right---she does seem to get weirdly emotional when she packs away his clothes when he outgrows them, so I could see that happening.

How much extra work is it when you another one to the mix?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639556)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Glittery voyeur office

In the beginning it's "haha wow holy shit" but it honestly depends a lot on what kind of baby he is and how big an age difference. [redacted] First few months will suck no matter what and then around 12 weeks it gets 180 again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639572)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Interesting. Ty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639579)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: yellow meetinghouse

the more you have of one sex the more likley it is you'll have another

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/02/05/schwandt-familly-boys-sons/308138002/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639654)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: bull headed arousing dingle berry

Congrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639409)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Thank you:)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639444)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:40 PM
Author: Crystalline dashing depressive locus

Yay!!! No need to buy new clothes and they can fight and be close too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639470)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:44 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

I'm relieved about not having to buy new toys---we have friends who have daughters and I just don't "get" the toys they play with. Whereas most everything my son plays with seems like fun and I can relate to.

Edit: Now I just have to hope he doesn't inherit his mom's 5'1 height.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639521)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: Crystalline dashing depressive locus

Well we are not getting any girl toys or dollhouse things so she will have to make due with the construction vehicles we have.

It’s funny that you talk about “getting” the toys because I find it incredibly boring to build duplo and lining up trains and crashing cars and my husband really enjoys it. I mean I enjoy playing with my son, but I don’t enjoy the toys themselves the way my husband does. There’s this tonka garbage truck in particular that my husband said “wow he’s so lucky he has this toy, I would’ve gone nuts over this as a kid” and I’m thinking “really? It’s a stupid garbage truck.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639634)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

I could never tell how much of the "girl toy" thing is parents picking the stuff out and sending the kid on a certain path and how much is baked in the cake.

We know one couple that is very insistent on making their daughter play with gender-neutral or boy toys and whenever I see her with other kids she's losing her shit over shopkins or some princess outfit.

I really just feel like I'm biding my time until I can play sports with my son. That's what I'm really looking forward to. But until then it is pretty fun to play with marble runs and build train tracks. Stuff my wife enjoys, but I suspect not as much as my son and I do.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639683)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:17 PM
Author: Crystalline dashing depressive locus

Yeah I’m not against gender specific toys, I just don’t want to spend unnecessary money into getting a whole new set of toys since our house is already a disaster zone of bright plastic. We didn’t push anything on our son and he just naturally gravitated toward all the stereotypically boy stuff. If the girl goes nuts over the tea parties, I’ll have to accommodate but I’m really curious how much of it is nurture v nature.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639757)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: yellow meetinghouse

congrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639646)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:09 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

thanks very much!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639691)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: Angry Bistre Sandwich Theater

congrats, brother!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639682)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 5:09 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

Thank you!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922995&forum_id=2#35639695)



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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Exhilarant Stage

If you're only having two, I say boy/boy. Boys need a brother. I only have an older sister.

Girls I know with sisters only seem to bitch about them, even if they're "close"

EDIT: Just saw you're having a boy. Congrats, think that's the best outcome you could get

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Date: March 19th, 2018 4:39 PM
Author: laughsome learning disabled den jew

thank you, brother. i'm pretty happy with the outcome.

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