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Libtertarianism really died out in the US, didn't it?

did anyone even go to "libertycon" this year? it ...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
Yeah I wonder why it boiled up during that specific timefram...
Vigorous brunch blood rage
  03/20/18
it was a meme, and probably a "safe" ideological c...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
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  03/20/18
Yeah I guess it sparked up after 2008 when everyone was argu...
Vigorous brunch blood rage
  03/20/18
Oof. Deadly accurate.
Multi-colored at-the-ready tank
  03/20/18
I don't disagree. The libertarian and green parties both ex...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
You guys were saying the same shit about the last iteration ...
Dull beady-eyed dilemma
  03/20/18
Link to mainstream dark enlightenment politicians?
blue messiness
  03/20/18
Link to mainstream 'Alt Right' politicians, elected or elect...
Dull beady-eyed dilemma
  03/20/18
We were comparing to libertarians, not alt-right. Also, &...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
hard to figure out where to start with how retarded this is.
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Adventurous insanely creepy nibblets electric furnace
  03/21/18
"Link to mainstream 'Alt Right' politicians, elected or...
Aphrodisiac gay trust fund
  03/21/18
(extremely accurate masterd00d)
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  03/21/18
Well, I think the open borders is what really killed it righ...
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their "solutions" to this issue are completely ina...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
I think enough libertarians realized this was bullshit that ...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
If this thesis is true, it only proves there was never a cri...
Supple french background story boiling water
  03/20/18
Yeah they didn't want to be associated with the religious ri...
Vigorous brunch blood rage
  03/20/18
There's truth to this. It was always a rejection of a bunch...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
You're confusing libertarianism with anarchism. Libertarian...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
Open borders isn't incompatible with any of those things. To...
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"Open borders isn't incompatible with any of those thin...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
I think anarchism is viable but would require non-anarchist ...
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"I think anarchism is viable" LOL, then you're ...
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Talking Mexican
  03/20/18
lol false
aggressive magenta theater
  03/20/18
You're free to present an actual argument.
blue messiness
  03/20/18
See below. Gary Johnson actually did ok in 2016.
aggressive magenta theater
  03/20/18
No he didn't. He didn't come close to winning. And people ju...
Cyan embarrassed to the bone tattoo
  03/21/18
There was a consistent libertarian solution: the Dubai optio...
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  03/20/18
I think most libertarians are theoretically fine with this b...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
Excuse me, but Lawman8 is an avowed libertarian or at least ...
Dull beady-eyed dilemma
  03/20/18
Rand Paul's neighbor jumping him was the last ember of that ...
Judgmental degenerate
  03/20/18
I think libertarianism is an inherently optimistic ideology....
blue messiness
  03/20/18
Libertarians believe that races are all equal
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Yup
Talking Mexican
  03/20/18
most libertarians finally figured out that "libertarian...
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To be fair, the world in which libertarianism was popular di...
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why would that affect a libertarian society?
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the point of libertarianism is that there isn't a system tha...
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  03/27/18
https://twitter.com/LarryWebsite/status/961746869037740033
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they realized that open borders doesn't work when a quarter ...
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trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness
  03/20/18
libertarianism was always, for the vast majority in it, a re...
boyish unholy doctorate
  03/20/18
Yeah or more basically they knew libs were nuts and were cas...
Vigorous brunch blood rage
  03/20/18
the decline has been a sad spectacle. the most notable mome...
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  03/20/18
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trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness
  03/20/18
Libertarianism is (was?) also a home to people who were genu...
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I don't think that is right. I was in the libertarian crowd...
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Cerebral Irate Gaming Laptop Organic Girlfriend
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lol, can you articulate what exactly about social conservati...
Tantric brilliant address sneaky criminal
  03/20/18
Sure. Being anti-abortion is retarded. Mississipi is doing...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
yeah i was curious what relevant "socially conservative...
Tantric brilliant address sneaky criminal
  03/20/18
Well look, like I said, libertarianism made a lot of sense d...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
college libertarians are not representative of shit, most li...
boyish unholy doctorate
  03/20/18
Early Tea Party, yes. But then it got hijacked by Christian...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
>> I do think that even on social issues, we're in a w...
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blue messiness
  03/20/18
100% correct
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  03/20/18
Hoppe is 180
lilac resort
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his ideas are still pretty unrealistic, but at least they we...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
The issue with libertarianism is that 95% of libertarians ar...
lilac resort
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does that EVER work? has a movement/organization ever succe...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
Also curious
trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness
  03/20/18
Democrats will probably have that pay off for them in the lo...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
cr, this is why the Dems want so many low status voters in t...
flushed candlestick maker
  03/20/18
Which, coincidentally, have sky-high reproductive rates.
blue messiness
  03/20/18
Had we stuck with Libertarianism past the 70s it would make ...
trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness
  03/20/18
Sort of. The thing that changed, starting the 1980s, was th...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
Even had we not given them more bennies than those who were ...
trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness
  03/20/18
It would still have been more profitable for them to be here...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
libtertarians keep getting hung up on "welfare" as...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
Right. Even without welfare we would be a first world count...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
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flushed candlestick maker
  03/20/18
I identified as a libertarian in the late 90s, early 2000s. ...
soul-stirring violet state partner
  03/20/18
There were never libertarians
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  03/20/18
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blue messiness
  03/20/18
Libertarians never accounted for a significant amount of the...
stimulating silver azn theater stage
  03/20/18
It was always a minority position but it used to be much, mu...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
it surged in popularity for a few years among younger, educa...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
when do you believe this happened
stimulating silver azn theater stage
  03/20/18
Between HW Bush and the end of GW Bush. Obama and Trump cha...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
american libertarianism for a while was focused upon ron pau...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
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blue messiness
  03/20/18
cr presumably most followed the herd and went insane, the r...
lascivious hyperactive nowag plaza
  03/20/18
A lot of people are post libertarian in the sense that given...
trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness
  03/20/18
To be fair, not just "more accurate" but the facts...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-...
Floppy hell
  03/20/18
180
Cyan embarrassed to the bone tattoo
  03/21/18
Libertarians lost any sort of ideological credibility with t...
aggressive magenta theater
  03/20/18
tbf, that's really all they ever did (Hayek)
Supple french background story boiling water
  03/20/18
Counter-example: abortion.
blue messiness
  03/20/18
hmmm. since democrats hold zero positions that aren't social...
mind-boggling bossy old irish cottage
  03/20/18
enough straw men in this thread to feed every cow in califor...
mind-boggling bossy old irish cottage
  03/20/18
LOL, classic.
Dull beady-eyed dilemma
  03/20/18
Libertarianism is as unworkable as communism. Both start wit...
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  03/20/18
Libertarians have trouble explaining away the origin of prop...
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What? You must be a Communist because pretty much anything ...
blue messiness
  03/21/18
Most non-Libertarian theories are comfortable with some leve...
flirting tanning salon
  03/21/18
I basically identified as a libertarian until I grew up and ...
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  03/20/18
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flushed candlestick maker
  03/20/18
Gary Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than he did in...
aggressive magenta theater
  03/20/18
Gary Johnson didn't do better in 2016 in terms of getting su...
flushed candlestick maker
  03/20/18
"Gary Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than he ...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
libertarians were with ron paul, not barr/johnson. johnson ...
maroon passionate cuckoldry
  03/20/18
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blue messiness
  03/21/18
their obsession w/ pot fucked them over
Marvelous peach shrine
  03/20/18
I don't know if this is fair. Fighting drugs and prostituti...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
LJL you just proved his point. How did you think sharing yo...
spectacular nursing home gaping
  03/20/18
I'm not obsessed at all with it. I'm one of the few posters...
blue messiness
  03/20/18
How so? The libertarian position is beginning to win
confused misanthropic roommate
  03/20/18
Because its what the "party" became mainly associa...
spectacular nursing home gaping
  03/20/18
Tough to call the ideology dead. I think men constantly cycl...
sickened pistol
  03/21/18
It was an ideology that was proven simplistic and wrong. The...
Arousing domesticated knife property
  03/21/18
The failure of unregulated markets during the subprime colla...
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  03/21/18
cr '08-09 did it in
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  03/27/18


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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

did anyone even go to "libertycon" this year? it seems like most self-described "libertarians" circa 2008-2012 have moved on to other ideologies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35646908)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Vigorous brunch blood rage

Yeah I wonder why it boiled up during that specific timeframe. We even lost our board libertarian autists, or at least they've slunk back into the shadows and put their libertarian glossaries away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35646941)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:40 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

it was a meme, and probably a "safe" ideological channel promoted by those in power to shunt away post-financial crisis anger into a movement that was incapable of going anywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35646960)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:44 PM
Author: Supple french background story boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35646988)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: Vigorous brunch blood rage

Yeah I guess it sparked up after 2008 when everyone was arguing if it was capitalism or the state that caused the crash. I guess it fizzled out with Occupy. Everyone got bored of arguing because the world didn't end. College libertarians who came of age during that time became properly socialized and the left wing kids returned to their shitty art projects or sold out and got corporate jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647053)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:25 PM
Author: Multi-colored at-the-ready tank

Oof. Deadly accurate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647293)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:36 PM
Author: blue messiness

I don't disagree. The libertarian and green parties both exist as "safe alternatives" to the two-party system. Everyone knows they have zero chance of ever upsetting the system and that most that support them will eventually give up and enter the traditional fold. This is why the parties are far more worried about things like the alt-right, which has a real chance of being a game changer (introducing European style nationalism to the US).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647380)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:14 PM
Author: Dull beady-eyed dilemma

You guys were saying the same shit about the last iteration of this, the 'Dark Enlightenment.' That too turned out to be an obsese neckbeard dork convention with zero broad appeal. But it's good to have dreams!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649400)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: blue messiness

Link to mainstream dark enlightenment politicians?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649421)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: Dull beady-eyed dilemma

Link to mainstream 'Alt Right' politicians, elected or electable?

And LOL, don't even start insisting Trump counts. The politician needs to openly identify with some kind of ethno-nationalism point of view because you have to crawl through endless bullshit to construct an 'Alt Right' point of view that ignores the white Christian nation stuff and few-to-zero serious 'Alt Righters' don't have a position on it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649667)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 11:50 PM
Author: blue messiness

We were comparing to libertarians, not alt-right.

Also, "alt-right" is basically normal nationalist parties in much of Europe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650175)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 1:03 AM
Author: Godawful Shimmering Church

hard to figure out where to start with how retarded this is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650571)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 3:16 AM
Author: Adventurous insanely creepy nibblets electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650934)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 3:44 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac gay trust fund

"Link to mainstream 'Alt Right' politicians, elected or electable?"

https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/donald-j-trump/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650957)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 10:19 AM
Author: grizzly misunderstood friendly grandma indirect expression

(extremely accurate masterd00d)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35651739)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:46 PM
Author: blue messiness

Well, I think the open borders is what really killed it right now. Traditionally, libertarians were all for free labor/open borders but they didn't account for illegals pouring in, working with libs to get amnestied and then destroying the country. There was absolutely no libertarian solution to this problem, so libertarians inevitably shifted either into "fuck that, we have to save the country" (Republicans) or "so let the country die" (shitlibs).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647000)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Tantric brilliant address sneaky criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647027)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: flirting tanning salon

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647031)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: topaz pocket flask



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: Cerebral Irate Gaming Laptop Organic Girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647048)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:52 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

their "solutions" to this issue are completely inane. "well, if all land were privately-owned, and we scrapped every single social welfare program, then..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647058)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: blue messiness

I think enough libertarians realized this was bullshit that the ideology effectively dissolved.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647072)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:57 PM
Author: Supple french background story boiling water

If this thesis is true, it only proves there was never a critical mass of principled right-wing libertarians to begin with. "True" right-wing libertarians don't care if "the country" collapses; a collapse of state power would in their eyes remove the key impediment to the success of the genuinely excellent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647097)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: Vigorous brunch blood rage

Yeah they didn't want to be associated with the religious right, neoconservatives, social democrats, or more abstract left wing positions like the chomsky worshippers and libertarianism looked like a coherent program with a patina of sobriety and nobility. The axioms themselves were not deeply held just interesting to fuck around with on a purely intellectual level, which is why autists were attracted to it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647132)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:20 PM
Author: blue messiness

There's truth to this. It was always a rejection of a bunch of obviously self-serving ideologies that were the other options of the time. It offered the notion of picking and choosing "the best" from the major ideologies while offering something that was actually more ideologically consistent (we just want more freedom for everyone). The fact that for most it didn't become overly dogmatic was actually a plus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647246)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: blue messiness

You're confusing libertarianism with anarchism. Libertarians generally believe that you need a solid, functional government that enacts libertarian policies and maintains law and order, basic infrastructure, etc.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647157)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:17 PM
Author: Supple french background story boiling water

Open borders isn't incompatible with any of those things. To a right-wing libertarian, "law and order" only means enforcement of private property rights--not enforcement of arbitrary immigration laws. I don't see a viable connection between open borders and public infrastructure maintenance either: right-wing libertarians would say that market mechanisms like toll roads will invariably ensure adequate infrastructure spending. Of course, right-wing libertarianism is not even a serious ideology to begin with, so maybe these points are irrelevant.

Also, anarchism is perfectly fine with rules and infrastructure investment, etc., so long as the means are genuinely cooperative.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647219)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: blue messiness

"Open borders isn't incompatible with any of those things"

As I said, this is exactly why libertarianism ceased to exist.

"Also, anarchism is perfectly fine with rules and infrastructure investment, etc., so long as the means are genuinely cooperative."

That actually is libertarianism, at least if you mean that there has to be a government that administers these rules. Anarchism means no government. You can adopt the notion of self-regulation without government but it doesn't pass the straight face test anymore than the libertarian solutions to the open border problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647275)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:42 PM
Author: Supple french background story boiling water

I think anarchism is viable but would require non-anarchist means at the outset.

The only way I see a principled right-wing libertarian now supporting the alt-right due to open borders is as a temporary marriage of convenience. They must believe that immigration has to be halted now, not because "the country" will be destroyed ethnically, culturally, or religiously, but because there is a clear and present danger that any further immigration will cause the political system to pass the point of no return so far as the future viability of libertarian policies are concerned.

The problem is that this alliance cannot be a temporary stopgap measure. As capitalism continues to ravage the Third World (consider increasing environmental disasters owing to global warming), the pressures of immigration will only grow. Libertarianism is dead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647431)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:45 PM
Author: blue messiness

"I think anarchism is viable"

LOL, then you're not very bright. Put it in the bucket of other shit that has no history of ever actually working (like Communism). Full stop. If you actually study history and look at humanity you'll realize why this is guaranteed to be the case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647455)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:24 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:59 PM
Author: Vivacious bearded skinny woman menage

titmfcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647109)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: Talking Mexican



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Date: March 20th, 2018 8:24 PM
Author: aggressive magenta theater

lol

false

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648600)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: blue messiness

You're free to present an actual argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648996)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: aggressive magenta theater

See below. Gary Johnson actually did ok in 2016.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649494)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 10:17 AM
Author: Cyan embarrassed to the bone tattoo

No he didn't. He didn't come close to winning. And people just voted for him because they didn't like Hillary or Donald.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35651729)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:20 PM
Author: beta step-uncle's house genital piercing

There was a consistent libertarian solution: the Dubai option. Millions and millions of non-citizen coolie labourers that you're allowed to treat like shit, they can't vote, don't have unions or much legal protections, etc. Basically the status quo with illegal immigrant workers, but legitimised and expanded hugely.

Some of the really hardcore open borders libertarians are explicitly okay with this (e.g. Bryan Caplan) but normal libertarian-minded people don't actually want to live in a society like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648972)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:23 PM
Author: blue messiness

I think most libertarians are theoretically fine with this but acknowledge that libs would find a way to amnesty them all and fuck everyone. In any event, this is a non-option as long as birthright citizenship remains.

By the way, I'm perfectly happy "living in a society like that" and am fine with that solution, were it actually viable (I don't think it is).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648989)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:12 PM
Author: Dull beady-eyed dilemma

Excuse me, but Lawman8 is an avowed libertarian or at least believes that market solutions ought to be in place for most everything relating to governance.

He's the acknowledged leader of XO and one of the smartest people in this den of frauds and liars, so I think you probably owe him an apology at this point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649382)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: Judgmental degenerate

Rand Paul's neighbor jumping him was the last ember of that flame going out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35646942)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:43 PM
Author: blue messiness

I think libertarianism is an inherently optimistic ideology. It is based on the idea that if you let people do what they want, they will generally for a variety of reasons behave decently and act in their own self-interest, which includes not destroying the society they live in. We've seen over the past decade or so that this is laughably wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35646978)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:06 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness

Libertarians believe that races are all equal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647155)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: Cerebral Irate Gaming Laptop Organic Girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647165)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: Talking Mexican

Yup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647184)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:43 PM
Author: Tantric brilliant address sneaky criminal

most libertarians finally figured out that "libertarian" society doesn't work when the majority of your population is < 100 IQ retards from 3rd world countries and women who are content to leech off the system indefinitely



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35646983)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Vermilion kitchen toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647033)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: blue messiness

To be fair, the world in which libertarianism was popular didn't look like that. This becoming our dystopian reality is what killed it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647038)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647162)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: Aromatic point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647041)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647160)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: Talking Mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647186)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:36 PM
Author: arrogant volcanic crater haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649086)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: mind-boggling bossy old irish cottage

why would that affect a libertarian society?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649111)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 1:31 AM
Author: histrionic corner french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650721)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: scarlet international law enforcement agency senate

the point of libertarianism is that there isn't a system that people can leech off of

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35699276)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: metal macaca

https://twitter.com/LarryWebsite/status/961746869037740033

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647043)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:51 PM
Author: Curious Milk Crackhouse

they realized that open borders doesn't work when a quarter of the world is muslim

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647047)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:16 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647218)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:53 PM
Author: boyish unholy doctorate

libertarianism was always, for the vast majority in it, a refuge position for rightists and nationalists who wanted a political program that gave them some plausible deniability. they were socially conservative but not SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES so they claimed "socially liberal" to try and dodge being a REPUBLIKKKAN

when libs started going after that refuge more, and actual crazy social libs started to take over libertarian movement resources, plus nationalism became articulable again, it fell apart.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647061)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:56 PM
Author: Vigorous brunch blood rage

Yeah or more basically they knew libs were nuts and were casting around for something that wasn't retarded Bush neo-conism and libertarianism was an ostensibly "rational" ideology that didn't have any moral stench to it. The specific social prescriptions they got from it were beside the point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647087)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:56 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

the decline has been a sad spectacle. the most notable moment in recent libertarian politics was that disgusting fat fuck with the sloppy nu-male beard stripping on-stage during the last libertarian convention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647088)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:18 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647224)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:59 PM
Author: Cerebral Irate Gaming Laptop Organic Girlfriend

Libertarianism is (was?) also a home to people who were genuinely socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

Now? Sure, in theory, I prefer dem positions on, say, abortion. But it comes packaged with the democrat policy platform of de facto open borders and insane identity politics. I look forward to the democrat party regaining its conscience, because when there's only one political party that supports having a country there's only one choice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647110)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:18 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647228)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 1:32 AM
Author: histrionic corner french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650725)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: startling motley lay associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35651643)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: blue messiness

I don't think that is right. I was in the libertarian crowd in undergrad (I know, big shocker) exactly because I thought social conservatism was dumb as fuck (and still largely do) but thought that lib economics/socialism/identity politics/gun policy/etc. was totally insane.

I do think that even on social issues, we're in a weird place where because libs have won on pretty much everything and are STILL pushing to the left, it is hard to really be left wing on social issues and still hold that the government should be hands off (the fundamentally libertarian position). At this point being left wing on social issues means wanting 5 year olds to get government funded sex change operations, tranny bathrooms, mandating gender neutral pronouns, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647120)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: Cerebral Irate Gaming Laptop Organic Girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647126)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: Tantric brilliant address sneaky criminal

lol, can you articulate what exactly about social conservatism you find "dumb as fuck"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647130)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: blue messiness

Sure. Being anti-abortion is retarded. Mississipi is doing it and is a bigger disaster than ever. Religion in schools, being anti-technology, etc. - all fucking stupid. Back in the day conservatives were pushing for removal of violence from video games/TV, removing artwork that was "offensive" to "Judeo-Christian" values, etc. Other than abortion, most of these issues aren't relevant today, which is another reason why libertarianism has died out.

We're also in a position where you're a "social conservative" because you think you should be able to say that trannies are fucked in the head without being hit with a hate crime, so that has also thrown a wrench in this.

Seriously, most kids who would have been libertarians in the past are just alt right types now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647191)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:18 PM
Author: Tantric brilliant address sneaky criminal

yeah i was curious what relevant "socially conservative" positions you found stupid, but it was all the usual suspects that haven't been relevant for a long time

i agree with you on abortion - at this point, being anti-abortion is just an indication that a person is dumb and clueless about the world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647226)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:24 PM
Author: blue messiness

Well look, like I said, libertarianism made a lot of sense during the time it was popular given what the conservative and liberal positions of the time were. Today it has no real relevance so it died out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647286)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: boyish unholy doctorate

college libertarians are not representative of shit, most libertarians were MC ARE COUNTRY types, just not very religious. Tea Party more representative of libertarian demographics than some kids masturbating to Chicago school econ at Brown.

even the Ron Paul surge didn't change this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647148)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: blue messiness

Early Tea Party, yes. But then it got hijacked by Christian Right types like Palin.

I think both groups (college libertarians and middle american libertarians) were legit, but neither survived cultural shifts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647197)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: flushed candlestick maker

>> I do think that even on social issues, we're in a weird place where because libs have won on pretty much everything and are STILL pushing to the left, it is hard to really be left wing on social issues and still hold that the government should be hands off (the fundamentally libertarian position). At this point being left wing on social issues means wanting 5 year olds to get government funded sex change operations, tranny bathrooms, mandating gender neutral pronouns, etc. <<

This is an excellent point. At some point the left went from acceptance and tolerance of certain social issues (get out of gays' bedrooms) to basically removing the concept of gender and harassing pizza parlor owners if they don't want to cater a gay wedding (i.e., from tolerance to control).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647441)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 6:07 PM
Author: blue messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647624)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:04 PM
Author: Supple french background story boiling water

100% correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647147)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:55 PM
Author: lilac resort

Hoppe is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647077)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:57 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

his ideas are still pretty unrealistic, but at least they were tempered by the fact that he lived around turks, which made him more realistic about border/migration issues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647102)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 4:58 PM
Author: lilac resort

The issue with libertarianism is that 95% of libertarians are white and the party/all of the think tanks decided to break left in order to draw in more people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647105)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:01 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

does that EVER work? has a movement/organization ever successfully implemented a strategy to stop being "too white" and maintain its existing support while expanding its support outside of its natural base?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647122)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:22 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness

Also curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647269)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:39 PM
Author: blue messiness

Democrats will probably have that pay off for them in the long run. They won't maintain their original base but enough of them that with the demographic shifts (which they helped engineer) they will still end up winning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647399)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:45 PM
Author: flushed candlestick maker

cr, this is why the Dems want so many low status voters in the country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647450)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:46 PM
Author: blue messiness

Which, coincidentally, have sky-high reproductive rates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647465)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness

Had we stuck with Libertarianism past the 70s it would make sense. But we've gone too far down the rabbit hole to "just do markets".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647134)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:15 PM
Author: blue messiness

Sort of. The thing that changed, starting the 1980s, was the first mass amnesty of illegals from Latin America. If we did that but with more libertarian policies then we would ultimately still be in the same place we are now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647213)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:23 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness

Even had we not given them more bennies than those who were already here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647276)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:27 PM
Author: blue messiness

It would still have been more profitable for them to be here than back in Mexico, El Salvador, Columbia, Venezuela, Honduras, Haiti, etc. So they would have come. Simple as that. The Republicans would have encouraged it as a cheap labor pool. Democrats would then have realized that this was the demographic silver bullet to make the Republicans a permanent minority party. Add water and fast forward and we're back to where we are today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647306)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:29 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

libtertarians keep getting hung up on "welfare" as the main driver of migration, which is just flat-out false on a global basis. afghans in pakistan, haitians in the DR, bangladeshis in india, sudanese in egypt, sub-saharans in algeria - none of these people get social welfare, and yet, they have flooded over the borders anyway, often with disastrous/destabilizing effects. did the goths and vandals move to the roman empire due to generous social welfare policies? it's just a retarded "counterpoint."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647321)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:34 PM
Author: blue messiness

Right. Even without welfare we would be a first world country which would be better to live in than a shitty, unstable third world country. So they would move here. If they didn't have a job then crime would be more profitable too. The incentives skewed in this direction even without welfare coming into the equation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647360)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:46 PM
Author: flushed candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647461)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:07 PM
Author: soul-stirring violet state partner

I identified as a libertarian in the late 90s, early 2000s. Then I realized how retarded it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647166)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: stimulating silver azn theater stage

There were never libertarians

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647170)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:16 PM
Author: blue messiness

vat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647217)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:37 PM
Author: stimulating silver azn theater stage

Libertarians never accounted for a significant amount of the US population. It's always been an unpopular ideology. The board is imagining some kind of libertarian renaissance that never was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647388)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:41 PM
Author: blue messiness

It was always a minority position but it used to be much, much more popular, especially in more educated circles. Ron Paul was actually someone that people cared about. Today no one really thinks of Libertarianism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647413)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:42 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

it surged in popularity for a few years among younger, educated white males, which is an important ideological bloc in terms of things that ultimately get expressed as political policies. but then it fizzled. the point is that libertarianism was capturing more and more of a very select "market," but then instead of making the jump into the mainstream, its market contracted sharply.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647424)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:47 PM
Author: stimulating silver azn theater stage

when do you believe this happened

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647475)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: blue messiness

Between HW Bush and the end of GW Bush. Obama and Trump changed the game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647488)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 6:00 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

american libertarianism for a while was focused upon ron paul, and his 2008/2012 presidential runs were probably the high-points for the movement. after the romney/obama election, libertarianism gradually began to lose footing to other ideological movements - first, having some of its brighter autists peeled off by "neoreaction"/moldbug stuff, then by the new right-wing nationalist populism that came to be described as the "alt-right."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647584)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 6:04 PM
Author: blue messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647611)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:57 PM
Author: lascivious hyperactive nowag plaza

cr

presumably most followed the herd and went insane, the rest are internet shitlord guerillas on 4chan, /thedonald and xo raging impotently against the dying of the light

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649227)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:25 PM
Author: trip amethyst twinkling uncleanness

A lot of people are post libertarian in the sense that given their understanding of the world that libertarianism made sense to them. And now with more accurate information, no longer are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647295)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 5:32 PM
Author: blue messiness

To be fair, not just "more accurate" but the facts are fundamentally different. For example, take the matter of religion. In the 1990s, if you're an atheist, agnostic or just not a particularly religious Christian then you really want the Democratic position. They generally supported less religion everywhere, and you were good with that. Meanwhile, the Republicans were the party of Pat Robertson, fighting evolution, banning offensive paintings, banning pornography, etc.

Fast forward to today. Now the Democrats are the party of inviting in radical Muslims, banning offensive paintings, banning pornography, fighting any scientific arguments they don't like, etc. Meanwhile, supporting the currently more moderate Christianity of the Republican party is far preferable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647342)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 6:08 PM
Author: Floppy hell

https://politics.theonion.com/l-a-efficiency-chosen-as-site-of-2000-libertarian-conv-1819565649

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35647630)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: Cyan embarrassed to the bone tattoo

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35653157)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: aggressive magenta theater

Libertarians lost any sort of ideological credibility with their inevitable support of Republicans no matter what the issue.

All libertarians do now is bitch about socialists

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648612)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 8:39 PM
Author: Supple french background story boiling water

tbf, that's really all they ever did (Hayek)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648667)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:18 PM
Author: blue messiness

Counter-example: abortion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648954)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:21 PM
Author: mind-boggling bossy old irish cottage

hmmm. since democrats hold zero positions that aren't socialist, libertarians still have the ideological credibility, i guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648973)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:14 PM
Author: mind-boggling bossy old irish cottage

enough straw men in this thread to feed every cow in california

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35648914)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:50 PM
Author: Dull beady-eyed dilemma

LOL, classic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649672)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: hilarious place of business jewess

Libertarianism is as unworkable as communism. Both start with the flawed premise that economics is paramount. Really politics is Paramount, something that was understood for thousands of years. Economics can be understood as patronage from this perspective.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649113)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:54 AM
Author: flirting tanning salon

Libertarians have trouble explaining away the origin of property rights. That throws a serious wrench into their premises.

Their vision makes more sense if everyone starts with a pre-allocated fair amount of property, but because the government originated the existing property rights it is unclear how to reach a fair initial allocation to start the Libertarian utopia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650511)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:56 AM
Author: blue messiness

What? You must be a Communist because pretty much anything else starts with what you probably perceive as an "unfair" initial allocation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650518)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 1:08 AM
Author: flirting tanning salon

Most non-Libertarian theories are comfortable with some level of state economic coercion.

In Libertarianism (and in the related anarco-capitalism), the philosophy opposes state economic coercion. That resistance is difficult to reconcile with an initial state of state-allocated property.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650600)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 9:59 PM
Author: medicated concupiscible ratface

I basically identified as a libertarian until I grew up and realized how critical having a well defined culture and identity are to a healthy society.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649232)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:11 PM
Author: flushed candlestick maker

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649371)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:24 PM
Author: aggressive magenta theater

Gary Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than he did in 2012 and better still than Bob Barr did in 2008.

All you psuedo libertarians are talking about a movement that never actually advocated for the libertarianism, but the conservatism that seemed the most viable alternative to Bush-era globalist, neoconservatism. When Trump comes along, you jumped ship to his populist nonsense because that seemed more likely to succeed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649489)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:29 PM
Author: flushed candlestick maker

Gary Johnson didn't do better in 2016 in terms of getting support for the libertarian ideology. GJ isn't a libertarian in the ideological sense and neither were most of his voters, who voted for him as a protest vote more than anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649530)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:30 PM
Author: blue messiness

"Gary Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than he did in 2012 and better still than Bob Barr did in 2008."

That is because a larger part of the country was simply unhappy with either choice in 2016. Bob Barr was a no-name and at least everyone knew who Gary Johnson was. So this isn't surprising.

"All you psuedo libertarians are talking about a movement that never actually advocated for the libertarianism, but the conservatism that seemed the most viable alternative to Bush-era globalist, neoconservatism. When Trump comes along, you jumped ship to his populist nonsense because that seemed more likely to succeed."

You're shitlib, we get it. No, we jumped ship to Trump because his message resonated with us, our lives, the nation's problems, etc. Simply put, the primary issue wasn't "we need to legalize weed" or whatever. It is a fundamental culture war and demographic shift that threatens to move the US to left wing authoritarianism. Also, to the extent many were voting libertarian because they hated both mainstream parties, Trump wasn't a mainstream candidate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649533)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: maroon passionate cuckoldry

libertarians were with ron paul, not barr/johnson. johnson isn't even much of a doctrinal libertarian anyway ("bake the damn cake," etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649730)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 12:56 AM
Author: blue messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650521)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:26 PM
Author: Marvelous peach shrine

their obsession w/ pot fucked them over

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649500)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 10:33 PM
Author: blue messiness

I don't know if this is fair. Fighting drugs and prostitution are two extremely expensive and stupid efforts that the government engages in. They go overboard with embracing pothead culture (which is SPS) but I'd rather decriminalize than go all out war on drugs as we've been doing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649558)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 11:08 PM
Author: spectacular nursing home gaping

LJL you just proved his point. How did you think sharing your opinion that drugs should be legal would counter his point that libertarians became too obsessed with legalizing pot?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649825)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: blue messiness

I'm not obsessed at all with it. I'm one of the few posters that has never tried pot a single time in his life. Potheads annoy the piss out of me too. Nevertheless, even I have sympathy for the libertarian position when much of the alternative seems to be a ridiculous war on drugs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650189)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 11:11 PM
Author: confused misanthropic roommate

How so? The libertarian position is beginning to win

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649857)



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Date: March 20th, 2018 11:12 PM
Author: spectacular nursing home gaping

Because its what the "party" became mainly associated with. It makes it seem juvenile.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35649867)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 1:27 AM
Author: sickened pistol

Tough to call the ideology dead. I think men constantly cycle between centralized and decentralized systems of organization as required by current conditions.

Persians -> Delian League

Aequi -> Cincinnatus

Muslims in Iberian peninsula -> Christian Monarchies

Peace and stability in 13 Colonies post 7 years war -> Revolution

Peace and stability in US post Civil War -> Industrial Age

Great Depression & WWII -> All of FDR's Shit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650703)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 3:35 AM
Author: Arousing domesticated knife property

It was an ideology that was proven simplistic and wrong. There are other ideologies now that have yet to be proven simplistic and wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35650950)



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Date: March 21st, 2018 10:08 AM
Author: adulterous electric dysfunction

The failure of unregulated markets during the subprime collapse made it hard to be libertarian. Those markets had the government's fingerprints all over them but the failures of America's captains of industry, and their reliance on bailouts to survive, made it clear that there was very little John Galt in any of them. Libertarians are also big on open borders and free trade. Trump murdered them in their sleep as a side effect of schlonging Crooked Hill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35651692)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 11:10 AM
Author: Big flesh love of her life rehab

cr '08-09 did it in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3923884&forum_id=2#35699264)