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1 in 7 white households have $1M net worth. U post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/03/white...
Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
Win thi$
cerebral dragon bbw
  03/22/18
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Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
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Charismatic shrine deer antler
  09/30/18
Cops don't make that much starting
rose stirring lay death wish
  03/22/18
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Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
that's poverty wages in that city
Elite Home Lettuce
  03/22/18
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Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
lol...you jumped directly from the #1 most expensive US metr...
bright flirting indian lodge queen of the night
  03/23/18
Poasting was the only reason that Peterman was able to achie...
Sooty stead patrolman
  03/22/18
Its mostly white baby boomers rofl
Comical mood ticket booth
  03/22/18
I guess that's ok for their children as they can give them m...
Stubborn Scourge Upon The Earth Point
  03/22/18
lmao boomers booming it all away
Big deranged volcanic crater library
  03/22/18
is that why they are called boomers?
Stubborn Scourge Upon The Earth Point
  03/22/18
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Soul-stirring Principal's Office
  03/22/18
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Comical mood ticket booth
  03/22/18
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Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
http://www.megamillions.com
cerebral dragon bbw
  03/22/18
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Outnumbered school pocket flask
  03/22/18
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Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
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Sexy hospital goal in life
  09/30/18
Wealth should not include equity in a primary residence.
Cyan wonderful chapel
  03/22/18
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rose stirring lay death wish
  03/22/18
(does not live in NYC/LA/SF)
green fortuitous meteor
  03/22/18
You need to live somewhere, so home equity is not a lump of ...
Cyan wonderful chapel
  03/22/18
if you live in a 2M home in NY then move to FL for retiremen...
Stubborn Scourge Upon The Earth Point
  03/22/18
sure it is. can’t i remortgage the equity and continuously r...
swashbuckling smoky set national security agency
  03/22/18
What could go wrong?
Cyan wonderful chapel
  03/22/18
yes, upside is generally accompanied by risk in modern finan...
swashbuckling smoky set national security agency
  03/22/18
Because if the market tanks you could be underwater on your ...
Cyan wonderful chapel
  03/22/18
If the market tanks your stocks could lose value. If runawa...
Copper Theater Associate
  03/23/18
i do give some credit to the idea of marking home equity, 40...
green fortuitous meteor
  03/22/18
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Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
Everything other than home equity should count.
mentally impaired nudist piazza
  03/24/18
Wealth =/= investable cash Also, unless you live in a sha...
Copper Theater Associate
  03/22/18
Just sell your house and live somewhere cheaper when it pull...
Cyan wonderful chapel
  03/22/18
So? Spending your money means you can't use it on other thi...
Copper Theater Associate
  03/23/18
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house-broken psychic
  03/23/18
not everyone lives in mom's basement forever
brilliant potus base
  03/23/18
Why not?
Copper Theater Associate
  03/22/18
You almost certainly have familial and emotional obligations...
Cyan wonderful chapel
  03/22/18
i see what you're saying, but an asset being illiquid -/->...
house-broken psychic
  03/23/18
I think that can be true for a lot of assets (cars, jewelry)...
Copper Theater Associate
  03/23/18
how is this possible, i thought an absurdly low number of bo...
Big deranged volcanic crater library
  03/22/18
Average wealth is >$900k, median is <$300k. Rich ou...
Cyan wonderful chapel
  03/22/18
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Comical mood ticket booth
  03/22/18
Median is 170 according to the article. Still sounds high to...
fuchsia bat-shit-crazy senate
  03/22/18
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Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  03/22/18
170 is high? JFC none of you people live in New Jersey.
Multi-colored really tough guy
  09/30/18
property rich, cash poor
massive circlehead
  03/22/18
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Blue hunting ground turdskin
  03/22/18
it wouldn't surprise me if both were true. I could see 1/...
Stubborn Scourge Upon The Earth Point
  03/22/18
didn't click but has to be including their home values ton...
flesh hissy fit
  03/22/18
A bunch of them rode the housing bubble all the way: bought ...
adventurous property blood rage
  03/23/18
white or (((white)))?
aphrodisiac organic girlfriend
  03/23/18
pretty sure it's like 6/7 for (((whites)))
Electric dilemma macaca
  03/23/18
I’m probably a paper millionaire including home equity (incl...
Scarlet duck-like ladyboy trump supporter
  03/23/18
If your wife works say *we*. You by yourself are not a paper...
Electric dilemma macaca
  03/23/18
Fair. I edited before I saw your post.
Scarlet duck-like ladyboy trump supporter
  03/23/18
This works very well where the couple is committed to stayin...
Electric dilemma macaca
  03/23/18
Neither of us is from a broken home, at least.
Scarlet duck-like ladyboy trump supporter
  03/23/18
So you probably have lots of Jew gold buried in the backyard...
aphrodisiac organic girlfriend
  03/23/18
I should go check.
Scarlet duck-like ladyboy trump supporter
  03/23/18
damn among the xoxo cohort, like college educated whites and...
Provocative station
  03/23/18
other data: about 8% of households (calculated based on the...
Provocative station
  03/23/18
Is a million supposed to be a lot in 2018? That was a lot of...
Pink laughsome native stock car
  03/23/18
but tbf, $1mm gets you 30 years of $65k distributions assumi...
Provocative station
  03/23/18
(guy who doesn't think 1 out of 7 xo posters are worth $1+ m...
brilliant potus base
  03/23/18
What percentage of households with members in their 30s have...
mind-boggling foreskin resort
  03/23/18
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Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency
  09/30/18
A lot of Boomers are rich, news at 11.
Multi-colored really tough guy
  09/30/18


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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/03/white-families-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-millionaires-as-a-generation-ago/?utm_term=.e42043bd2ced



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665806)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:25 PM
Author: cerebral dragon bbw
Subject: Win thi$

http://www.megamillions.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665873)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:43 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666091)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Charismatic shrine deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#36930010)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:28 PM
Author: rose stirring lay death wish

Cops don't make that much starting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665911)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:47 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666135)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Elite Home Lettuce

that's poverty wages in that city

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666235)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666262)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: bright flirting indian lodge queen of the night

lol...you jumped directly from the #1 most expensive US metro to the #2.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669415)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:19 PM
Author: Sooty stead patrolman

Poasting was the only reason that Peterman was able to achieve that. What say you to that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665816)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:24 PM
Author: Comical mood ticket booth

Its mostly white baby boomers rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665866)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:27 PM
Author: Stubborn Scourge Upon The Earth Point

I guess that's ok for their children as they can give them money and pass it on... unless you have a lot of brothers and sisters, then ur fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665899)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Big deranged volcanic crater library

lmao boomers booming it all away



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665943)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Stubborn Scourge Upon The Earth Point

is that why they are called boomers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665992)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665993)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:36 PM
Author: Comical mood ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666005)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:45 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666110)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: cerebral dragon bbw

http://www.megamillions.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665939)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:45 PM
Author: Outnumbered school pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666108)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666123)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: Sexy hospital goal in life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#36929925)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: Cyan wonderful chapel

Wealth should not include equity in a primary residence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665938)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: rose stirring lay death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665948)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: green fortuitous meteor

(does not live in NYC/LA/SF)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665952)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: Cyan wonderful chapel

You need to live somewhere, so home equity is not a lump of investable cash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665986)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:36 PM
Author: Stubborn Scourge Upon The Earth Point

if you live in a 2M home in NY then move to FL for retirement, it basically is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666002)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:55 PM
Author: swashbuckling smoky set national security agency

sure it is. can’t i remortgage the equity and continuously reinvest it in equities?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666201)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:58 PM
Author: Cyan wonderful chapel

What could go wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666252)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:02 PM
Author: swashbuckling smoky set national security agency

yes, upside is generally accompanied by risk in modern financial markets. and therefore...you actually can’t reinvest the value represented by the equity in your home? cmon man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666298)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:26 PM
Author: Cyan wonderful chapel

Because if the market tanks you could be underwater on your home. And if everyone does what you say then that will happen much sooner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666551)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:18 AM
Author: Copper Theater Associate

If the market tanks your stocks could lose value. If runaway inflation happens your cash could lose value. A lot of things could make your net worth decrease, but that doesn't mean it's *not* net worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669407)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: green fortuitous meteor

i do give some credit to the idea of marking home equity, 401K, 529, etc., to 0 in net worth calcs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666239)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:20 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666488)



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Date: March 24th, 2018 1:29 AM
Author: mentally impaired nudist piazza

Everything other than home equity should count.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35675987)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: Copper Theater Associate

Wealth =/= investable cash

Also, unless you live in a shack, you can sell your house and live somewhere cheaper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666535)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:30 PM
Author: Cyan wonderful chapel

Just sell your house and live somewhere cheaper when it pulls your kid out of a good school district.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666603)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: Copper Theater Associate

So? Spending your money means you can't use it on other things. That doesn't mean it's not part of your worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669201)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: house-broken psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669459)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: brilliant potus base

not everyone lives in mom's basement forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669416)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:24 PM
Author: Copper Theater Associate

Why not?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666528)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:28 PM
Author: Cyan wonderful chapel

You almost certainly have familial and emotional obligations that make primary residence equity less fungible than, say, a stock portfolio. Primary residences are not simply another asset class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666586)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:23 AM
Author: house-broken psychic

i see what you're saying, but an asset being illiquid -/-> you don't count it in your net worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669456)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: Copper Theater Associate

I think that can be true for a lot of assets (cars, jewelry). There are other qualities that make assets more or less fungible, but I don't think they should be excluded from net worth (unless you're going to totally redefine what it means).

Maybe some other classification (easily investable worth?) makes sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669858)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Big deranged volcanic crater library

how is this possible, i thought an absurdly low number of boomers had even like 10K saved for retirement

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665947)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:34 PM
Author: Cyan wonderful chapel

Average wealth is >$900k, median is <$300k.

Rich outliers skew the numbers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665970)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:34 PM
Author: Comical mood ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35665984)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:39 PM
Author: fuchsia bat-shit-crazy senate

Median is 170 according to the article. Still sounds high to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666035)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:49 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666142)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:23 PM
Author: Multi-colored really tough guy

170 is high?

JFC none of you people live in New Jersey.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#36929944)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:36 PM
Author: massive circlehead

property rich, cash poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666001)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:22 PM
Author: Blue hunting ground turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666511)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 10:37 PM
Author: Stubborn Scourge Upon The Earth Point

it wouldn't surprise me if both were true.

I could see 1/7 people having 1M in assets.

I could also see 4/7 having less than 100K in assets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666012)



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Date: March 22nd, 2018 11:25 PM
Author: flesh hissy fit

didn't click but has to be including their home values

tons of boomers in CA and east coast are "millionaires" that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35666544)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:20 AM
Author: adventurous property blood rage

A bunch of them rode the housing bubble all the way: bought in Los Altos for 250k and are now sitting on a 2.5 million house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669425)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: aphrodisiac organic girlfriend

white or (((white)))?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669323)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:11 AM
Author: Electric dilemma macaca

pretty sure it's like 6/7 for (((whites)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669338)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: Scarlet duck-like ladyboy trump supporter

I’m probably a paper millionaire including home equity (including wife’s claim on assets).

Problem is a lot of it is home equity that I can’t easily access.

I still feel poor as fuck and am constantly nervous about me or wife getting Lathamed.

I’m (((white))), so make of that what you will.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669352)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: Electric dilemma macaca

If your wife works say *we*. You by yourself are not a paper millionaire. You and your wife are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669360)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: Scarlet duck-like ladyboy trump supporter

Fair. I edited before I saw your post.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669374)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: Electric dilemma macaca

This works very well where the couple is committed to staying together forever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669394)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:17 AM
Author: Scarlet duck-like ladyboy trump supporter

Neither of us is from a broken home, at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669397)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: aphrodisiac organic girlfriend

So you probably have lots of Jew gold buried in the backyard then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669361)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:16 AM
Author: Scarlet duck-like ladyboy trump supporter

I should go check.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669388)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: Provocative station

damn among the xoxo cohort, like college educated whites and asians living in a top 15 population city and above age 40 i bet this number has to rise to like 1/4.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669385)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: Provocative station

other data: about 8% of households (calculated based on the 10mm millionaire figure assuming 125mm households) have $1mm in investable assets excluding home equity

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/record-number-of-millionaire-households-in-us.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669417)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM
Author: Pink laughsome native stock car

Is a million supposed to be a lot in 2018? That was a lot of money in 1985. It's nothing in 2018. I'm worth like $1.5 million. I still have to work. That amounting money just means if I get fired I can spend 6 months looking for a job instead of immediately selling a kidney or driving Uber. $5 million is the new $1 million just like 250k is the new $100k for a good salary. $100k now is nothing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669420)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: Provocative station

but tbf, $1mm gets you 30 years of $65k distributions assuming 6% returns.

So you already know you can retire at 65.

And you are young so if you can double that by 55 you probably could retire then (if OK to live on fixed income).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669478)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 11:21 AM
Author: brilliant potus base

(guy who doesn't think 1 out of 7 xo posters are worth $1+ million)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35669433)



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Date: March 23rd, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: mind-boggling foreskin resort

What percentage of households with members in their 30s have a net worth of 1 million?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#35671593)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:17 PM
Author: Vibrant preventive strike international law enforcement agency



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#36929914)



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Date: September 30th, 2018 10:21 PM
Author: Multi-colored really tough guy

A lot of Boomers are rich, news at 11.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3926199&forum_id=2#36929939)