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Apparently Engineer/STEM shortage is a myth created to lower wages

any truth to this?
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
Wouldn't a shortage increase wages?
contagious plum internal respiration step-uncle's house
  04/08/18
it would, but telling everyone there's a shortage would lowe...
Bat Shit Crazy Dashing Rehab Nowag
  04/08/18
Why? Edit: -I see, the thread is a reference to h1b pro...
contagious plum internal respiration step-uncle's house
  04/08/18
It's the one path to decent money without incurring massive ...
Cerebral light half-breed home
  04/08/18
...
flesh church rigpig
  04/08/18
...
cracking buck-toothed multi-billionaire
  04/08/18
i hate all those artificially created shortages used to decr...
Adulterous bawdyhouse candlestick maker
  04/08/18
The perception of the shortage is what's being used as an im...
Trip Navy Jew
  04/08/18
...
flesh church rigpig
  04/08/18
100% true
Concupiscible sepia resort coldplay fan
  04/08/18
are you a STEM major?
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
I believe this was before the shortage was President.
yellow filthy native milk
  04/08/18
told yall. it's glorified machinist work.
Trip Navy Jew
  04/08/18
Not sure, I still get constant recruiter calls and emails as...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
major?
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
Mechanical but work in an unrelated industry due to some sim...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
how would you rank civil/electrical/mech for jobs now and in...
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
high end EE is going to be tops forever, although you'll see...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
do two year engineering technologists get decent jobs?
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
Probably much more secure than some engineers, since they're...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
can they maek 70-80k with OT?
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
Starting. Not even kidding, lots of them are pulling down mo...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
Why did i take Econ? Why do avg people go into Law? For fuck...
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
...
passionate partner sound barrier
  04/08/18
Nothing says you are stuck in econ now. Drop in, relive your...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
did you stop at Mech undergrad? Or, do you have masters, jd,...
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
UG, this site saved me from going to Lawl School. I dropped ...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
how many more years did it take to do mech degree after 1 ye...
hateful hot business firm
  04/16/18
what 2 year engineering technology degree would you recommen...
hateful hot business firm
  04/27/18
Lots of lower-level design work is going to go away. CIvil i...
Bateful trailer park
  04/08/18
did not know this. good info here
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
What kind of simulation? You went mech —> CS basically?
wonderful maroon pozpig
  04/08/18
Fluid mechanics with non-newtonian fluids. I went into basic...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
Sounds hard. I only know of "Oobleck"....
wonderful maroon pozpig
  04/08/18
Future for patent law? should I go back to engineering?
Chest-beating henna halford
  04/08/18
No idea, I have never dealt with IP lawyers yet. My friend g...
bespoke office electric furnace
  04/08/18
Recruiters just dump you in the mosh pit with all of the oth...
Trip Navy Jew
  04/08/18
Yes https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-...
Stimulating blood rage
  04/08/18
damn. this is from 2013
hateful hot business firm
  04/08/18
Great paragraph: The nature of STEM work has also changed...
contagious plum internal respiration step-uncle's house
  04/08/18
Remember Sandra Bland of BLM fame? Both her (working a tempo...
talented canary queen of the night
  04/08/18
Well, both were "agriculture" majors, so...
wonderful maroon pozpig
  04/08/18
so they had STEAM degrees, not STEM
Yapping Range
  04/08/18
STEAM seems like such flame.
wonderful maroon pozpig
  04/08/18
They're great on TEAMS.
contagious plum internal respiration step-uncle's house
  04/08/18
a STEAM degree? Choo! Choo!
Galvanic dark immigrant
  04/08/18


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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

any truth to this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791591)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: contagious plum internal respiration step-uncle's house

Wouldn't a shortage increase wages?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791596)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:46 PM
Author: Bat Shit Crazy Dashing Rehab Nowag

it would, but telling everyone there's a shortage would lower wages

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791625)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: contagious plum internal respiration step-uncle's house

Why?

Edit:

-I see, the thread is a reference to h1b programs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791631)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: Cerebral light half-breed home

It's the one path to decent money without incurring massive debt, of course they want to (((shut it down))) by importing as many Pradeeps as possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791599)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: flesh church rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791691)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: cracking buck-toothed multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791901)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: Adulterous bawdyhouse candlestick maker

i hate all those artificially created shortages used to decrease prices

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791600)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: Trip Navy Jew

The perception of the shortage is what's being used as an impetus to decrease prices there, hotshot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791637)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:57 PM
Author: flesh church rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791692)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:43 PM
Author: Concupiscible sepia resort coldplay fan

100% true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791614)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

are you a STEM major?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791639)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:46 PM
Author: yellow filthy native milk

I believe this was before the shortage was President.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791623)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: Trip Navy Jew

told yall. it's glorified machinist work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791645)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

Not sure, I still get constant recruiter calls and emails asking me to jump ship for a $20k raise and I'm already vastly overpaid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791647)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

major?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791654)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

Mechanical but work in an unrelated industry due to some simulation work I've done there. I basically only work 3 to 5 hours a week and spend the rest of the time traveling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791665)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:52 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

how would you rank civil/electrical/mech for jobs now and in the future

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791673)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

high end EE is going to be tops forever, although you'll see some wage depression at the low end of the market since they're easily replaced by chink/turdbots

Civil will be replaced by AI in 20 years or less, so hang a shingle if you have your stamp and start a small firm doing subcontracts to megafirms while you still can.

Mech should be the same to slightly better at all levels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791721)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

do two year engineering technologists get decent jobs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791743)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

Probably much more secure than some engineers, since they're on the plant floor and actually understand the practical aspects of production and design. A good technician can make a bad design work, and a bad tech can fuck up a good design just as easily. Definitely not a bad field to get into for people who can't hack a 4 year school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791899)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:52 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

can they maek 70-80k with OT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791995)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

Starting. Not even kidding, lots of them are pulling down more than engineers in the office because of OT and travel per diems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792195)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 4:02 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

Why did i take Econ? Why do avg people go into Law? For fuck sakes HS counselors are failing people in life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792770)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 4:43 PM
Author: passionate partner sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35793066)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

Nothing says you are stuck in econ now. Drop in, relive your glory years and pwn some young cunnus while setting yourself up for a career instead of just a job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35793157)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 9:03 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

did you stop at Mech undergrad? Or, do you have masters, jd, etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35794899)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

UG, this site saved me from going to Lawl School. I dropped out of engineering freshman year and went polisci for 2 years then saw the light and now bank a chill $90k in a tertiary market with a company car and sick bennys. Will probably do a night school MBA in the next 2-3 years just because company will pay for it, then cop a promotion to management.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35794910)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

how many more years did it take to do mech degree after 1 year eng dropout to 2 years polisci?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35855193)



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Date: April 27th, 2018 12:29 AM
Author: hateful hot business firm

what 2 year engineering technology degree would you recommend to a bro? can you rank them please?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35929351)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:40 PM
Author: Bateful trailer park

Lots of lower-level design work is going to go away. CIvil is fucked the hardest long term.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791923)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

did not know this. good info here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791997)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: wonderful maroon pozpig

What kind of simulation? You went mech —> CS basically?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791898)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

Fluid mechanics with non-newtonian fluids. I went into basically chem eng, but with little to no knowledge of actual chemistry. I just troubleshoot on site but have enough knowledge that I can program simulations of what's happening and why something is fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791906)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: wonderful maroon pozpig

Sounds hard. I only know of "Oobleck"....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792249)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 6:02 PM
Author: Chest-beating henna halford

Future for patent law? should I go back to engineering?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35793651)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: bespoke office electric furnace

No idea, I have never dealt with IP lawyers yet. My friend got one of his designs patented and his F500 company only gave him a $500 bonus ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35794893)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: Trip Navy Jew

Recruiters just dump you in the mosh pit with all of the other resumes they're harvesting. People who do actually get back in touch with these idiot recruiters are being asked how many decades of experience they have with Lisp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791660)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: Stimulating blood rage

Yes

https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791698)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:02 PM
Author: hateful hot business firm

damn. this is from 2013

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791718)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: contagious plum internal respiration step-uncle's house

Great paragraph:

The nature of STEM work has also changed dramatically in the past several decades. In engineering, for instance, your job is no longer linked to a company but to a funded project. Long-term employment with a single company has been replaced by a series of de facto temporary positions that can quickly end when a project ends or the market shifts. To be sure, engineers in the 1950s were sometimes laid off during recessions, but they expected to be hired back when the economy picked up. That rarely happens today. And unlike in decades past, employers seldom offer generous education and training benefits to engineers to keep them current, so out-of-work engineers find they quickly become technologically obsolete.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791723)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:15 PM
Author: talented canary queen of the night

Remember Sandra Bland of BLM fame? Both her (working a temporary glorified RA job at her college) and the cop who pulled her over had STEM degrees. Not flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791772)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: wonderful maroon pozpig

Well, both were "agriculture" majors, so...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792252)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: Yapping Range

so they had STEAM degrees, not STEM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792288)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 3:00 PM
Author: wonderful maroon pozpig

STEAM seems like such flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792405)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 3:06 PM
Author: contagious plum internal respiration step-uncle's house

They're great on TEAMS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792428)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: Galvanic dark immigrant

a STEAM degree? Choo! Choo!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792557)