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Apparently Engineer/STEM shortage is a myth created to lower wages

any truth to this?
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
Wouldn't a shortage increase wages?
Up-to-no-good Maniacal Associate Step-uncle's House
  04/08/18
it would, but telling everyone there's a shortage would lowe...
Khaki cuckoldry temple
  04/08/18
Why? Edit: -I see, the thread is a reference to h1b pro...
Up-to-no-good Maniacal Associate Step-uncle's House
  04/08/18
It's the one path to decent money without incurring massive ...
heady windowlicker toaster
  04/08/18
...
Vibrant plaza organic girlfriend
  04/08/18
...
lake adulterous heaven
  04/08/18
i hate all those artificially created shortages used to decr...
hairless copper psychic
  04/08/18
The perception of the shortage is what's being used as an im...
learning disabled pistol
  04/08/18
...
Vibrant plaza organic girlfriend
  04/08/18
100% true
fear-inspiring vivacious locale sweet tailpipe
  04/08/18
are you a STEM major?
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
I believe this was before the shortage was President.
glittery friendly grandma
  04/08/18
told yall. it's glorified machinist work.
learning disabled pistol
  04/08/18
Not sure, I still get constant recruiter calls and emails as...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
major?
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
Mechanical but work in an unrelated industry due to some sim...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
how would you rank civil/electrical/mech for jobs now and in...
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
high end EE is going to be tops forever, although you'll see...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
do two year engineering technologists get decent jobs?
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
Probably much more secure than some engineers, since they're...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
can they maek 70-80k with OT?
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
Starting. Not even kidding, lots of them are pulling down mo...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
Why did i take Econ? Why do avg people go into Law? For fuck...
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
...
Supple selfie
  04/08/18
Nothing says you are stuck in econ now. Drop in, relive your...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
did you stop at Mech undergrad? Or, do you have masters, jd,...
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
UG, this site saved me from going to Lawl School. I dropped ...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
how many more years did it take to do mech degree after 1 ye...
rusted mischievous house
  04/16/18
what 2 year engineering technology degree would you recommen...
rusted mischievous house
  04/27/18
Lots of lower-level design work is going to go away. CIvil i...
Talented juggernaut
  04/08/18
did not know this. good info here
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
What kind of simulation? You went mech —> CS basically?
At-the-ready swollen area
  04/08/18
Fluid mechanics with non-newtonian fluids. I went into basic...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
Sounds hard. I only know of "Oobleck"....
At-the-ready swollen area
  04/08/18
Future for patent law? should I go back to engineering?
Umber circlehead
  04/08/18
No idea, I have never dealt with IP lawyers yet. My friend g...
mahogany trust fund
  04/08/18
Recruiters just dump you in the mosh pit with all of the oth...
learning disabled pistol
  04/08/18
Yes https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-...
misanthropic round eye
  04/08/18
damn. this is from 2013
rusted mischievous house
  04/08/18
Great paragraph: The nature of STEM work has also changed...
Up-to-no-good Maniacal Associate Step-uncle's House
  04/08/18
Remember Sandra Bland of BLM fame? Both her (working a tempo...
tripping aqua love of her life
  04/08/18
Well, both were "agriculture" majors, so...
At-the-ready swollen area
  04/08/18
so they had STEAM degrees, not STEM
snowy voyeur useless brakes
  04/08/18
STEAM seems like such flame.
At-the-ready swollen area
  04/08/18
They're great on TEAMS.
Up-to-no-good Maniacal Associate Step-uncle's House
  04/08/18
a STEAM degree? Choo! Choo!
lemon queen of the night
  04/08/18


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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

any truth to this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791591)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Maniacal Associate Step-uncle's House

Wouldn't a shortage increase wages?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791596)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:46 PM
Author: Khaki cuckoldry temple

it would, but telling everyone there's a shortage would lower wages

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791625)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:47 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Maniacal Associate Step-uncle's House

Why?

Edit:

-I see, the thread is a reference to h1b programs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791631)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: heady windowlicker toaster

It's the one path to decent money without incurring massive debt, of course they want to (((shut it down))) by importing as many Pradeeps as possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791599)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: Vibrant plaza organic girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791691)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: lake adulterous heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791901)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: hairless copper psychic

i hate all those artificially created shortages used to decrease prices

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791600)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: learning disabled pistol

The perception of the shortage is what's being used as an impetus to decrease prices there, hotshot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791637)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:57 PM
Author: Vibrant plaza organic girlfriend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791692)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:43 PM
Author: fear-inspiring vivacious locale sweet tailpipe

100% true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791614)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

are you a STEM major?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791639)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:46 PM
Author: glittery friendly grandma

I believe this was before the shortage was President.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791623)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: learning disabled pistol

told yall. it's glorified machinist work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791645)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

Not sure, I still get constant recruiter calls and emails asking me to jump ship for a $20k raise and I'm already vastly overpaid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791647)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

major?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791654)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

Mechanical but work in an unrelated industry due to some simulation work I've done there. I basically only work 3 to 5 hours a week and spend the rest of the time traveling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791665)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:52 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

how would you rank civil/electrical/mech for jobs now and in the future

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791673)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:04 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

high end EE is going to be tops forever, although you'll see some wage depression at the low end of the market since they're easily replaced by chink/turdbots

Civil will be replaced by AI in 20 years or less, so hang a shingle if you have your stamp and start a small firm doing subcontracts to megafirms while you still can.

Mech should be the same to slightly better at all levels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791721)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

do two year engineering technologists get decent jobs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791743)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

Probably much more secure than some engineers, since they're on the plant floor and actually understand the practical aspects of production and design. A good technician can make a bad design work, and a bad tech can fuck up a good design just as easily. Definitely not a bad field to get into for people who can't hack a 4 year school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791899)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:52 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

can they maek 70-80k with OT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791995)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:20 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

Starting. Not even kidding, lots of them are pulling down more than engineers in the office because of OT and travel per diems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792195)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 4:02 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

Why did i take Econ? Why do avg people go into Law? For fuck sakes HS counselors are failing people in life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792770)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 4:43 PM
Author: Supple selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35793066)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

Nothing says you are stuck in econ now. Drop in, relive your glory years and pwn some young cunnus while setting yourself up for a career instead of just a job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35793157)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 9:03 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

did you stop at Mech undergrad? Or, do you have masters, jd, etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35794899)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

UG, this site saved me from going to Lawl School. I dropped out of engineering freshman year and went polisci for 2 years then saw the light and now bank a chill $90k in a tertiary market with a company car and sick bennys. Will probably do a night school MBA in the next 2-3 years just because company will pay for it, then cop a promotion to management.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35794910)



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Date: April 16th, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

how many more years did it take to do mech degree after 1 year eng dropout to 2 years polisci?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35855193)



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Date: April 27th, 2018 12:29 AM
Author: rusted mischievous house

what 2 year engineering technology degree would you recommend to a bro? can you rank them please?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35929351)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:40 PM
Author: Talented juggernaut

Lots of lower-level design work is going to go away. CIvil is fucked the hardest long term.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791923)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

did not know this. good info here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791997)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: At-the-ready swollen area

What kind of simulation? You went mech —> CS basically?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791898)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

Fluid mechanics with non-newtonian fluids. I went into basically chem eng, but with little to no knowledge of actual chemistry. I just troubleshoot on site but have enough knowledge that I can program simulations of what's happening and why something is fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791906)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: At-the-ready swollen area

Sounds hard. I only know of "Oobleck"....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792249)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 6:02 PM
Author: Umber circlehead

Future for patent law? should I go back to engineering?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35793651)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: mahogany trust fund

No idea, I have never dealt with IP lawyers yet. My friend got one of his designs patented and his F500 company only gave him a $500 bonus ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35794893)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: learning disabled pistol

Recruiters just dump you in the mosh pit with all of the other resumes they're harvesting. People who do actually get back in touch with these idiot recruiters are being asked how many decades of experience they have with Lisp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791660)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: misanthropic round eye

Yes

https://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791698)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:02 PM
Author: rusted mischievous house

damn. this is from 2013

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791718)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:05 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Maniacal Associate Step-uncle's House

Great paragraph:

The nature of STEM work has also changed dramatically in the past several decades. In engineering, for instance, your job is no longer linked to a company but to a funded project. Long-term employment with a single company has been replaced by a series of de facto temporary positions that can quickly end when a project ends or the market shifts. To be sure, engineers in the 1950s were sometimes laid off during recessions, but they expected to be hired back when the economy picked up. That rarely happens today. And unlike in decades past, employers seldom offer generous education and training benefits to engineers to keep them current, so out-of-work engineers find they quickly become technologically obsolete.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791723)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 1:15 PM
Author: tripping aqua love of her life

Remember Sandra Bland of BLM fame? Both her (working a temporary glorified RA job at her college) and the cop who pulled her over had STEM degrees. Not flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35791772)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:28 PM
Author: At-the-ready swollen area

Well, both were "agriculture" majors, so...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792252)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: snowy voyeur useless brakes

so they had STEAM degrees, not STEM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792288)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 3:00 PM
Author: At-the-ready swollen area

STEAM seems like such flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792405)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 3:06 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Maniacal Associate Step-uncle's House

They're great on TEAMS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792428)



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Date: April 8th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: lemon queen of the night

a STEAM degree? Choo! Choo!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3942741&forum_id=2#35792557)