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Why are teachers so low paid?

You'd think they'd be able to leverage themselves like firef...
navy arousing point ceo
  04/14/18
They do, in states where there are strong unions. Remembe...
lemon lay shitlib
  04/15/18
only in sps red states
Bright Home Corn Cake
  04/15/18
Glorified daycare
provocative striped hyena ladyboy
  04/15/18
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provocative striped hyena ladyboy
  04/15/18
and yet schools are the number 1 factor for upper middle cla...
Bright Home Corn Cake
  04/15/18
idiots
provocative striped hyena ladyboy
  04/15/18
schools =/= teachers
Violent Patrolman Theater Stage
  04/15/18
schools == demographics
exhilarant indecent psychic chapel
  04/15/18
they aren't going to get the same kind of popular support as...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
you clearly don't live in westchester county or LI
Bright Home Corn Cake
  04/15/18
police get support not for saving lives, but because of amer...
irradiated startling parlour
  04/15/18
it's amazing ppl haven't turned on police unions yet. truly ...
Bright Home Corn Cake
  04/15/18
americans love authority. they will never turn on police uni...
irradiated startling parlour
  04/15/18
Public employees unions in general are toxic.
lemon lay shitlib
  04/15/18
yup, scapegoats
Autistic slippery kitchen
  04/15/18
way too many people want this job
Vibrant rehab
  04/15/18
i think this is true but the same is true for a lot of other...
navy arousing point ceo
  04/15/18
women generally don't want to be police and firemen and bus ...
Vibrant rehab
  04/15/18
Definitely not a lot of men trying to be pre-school and elem...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
well that's just a subset of the whole then.
Vibrant rehab
  04/15/18
76% of all public school teachers are women
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
so lots more women want this job relative to men? what perce...
Vibrant rehab
  04/15/18
i believe his point is that most teachers are women and most...
Thirsty Cream Range Community Account
  04/15/18
my point is more people want to be teachers than want to be ...
Vibrant rehab
  04/15/18
You realize that in a lot of places you have to wait years t...
navy arousing point ceo
  04/15/18
in any major metro area it's incredibly difficult to become ...
Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
lol at this ridiculous statement
dun yarmulke
  04/15/18
maybe the unicorn jobs, which are highly fought after. th...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
i don't indulge in this shit usually, but honestly, it's bec...
Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
lol
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Violent Patrolman Theater Stage
  04/15/18
wew
Milky Piazza Headpube
  04/15/18
lol
Topaz appetizing address
  04/15/18
Strong post / moniker
Coiffed Senate Preventive Strike
  04/15/18
They work 9 months of the year and often get off at 2:30 or ...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
i urge you to try it for 2 months.
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
starting salary in CA and NY is $40K, not sure where you get...
Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
plenty of DC and NYC-area school districts pay 95k for mid-c...
Godawful infuriating fat ankles
  04/15/18
what percentage of schoolteachers in the US work in DC/NYC
Thirsty Cream Range Community Account
  04/15/18
Obviously not talking about the starting salary but veteran ...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
cr post, boomer. it's amazing how many misconceptions there ...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
it's from your standard xo poast who sees anything as not tu...
Comical parlor
  04/15/18
Lol my wife gets so mad when I don't value her non-profit je...
Violent Patrolman Theater Stage
  04/15/18
NYC starting pay is like 60K and bumps to like 85K within a ...
Hilarious center
  04/15/18
what's average rent on a 1 br in NYC? state taxes? how hard ...
Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
Very easy to get a teaching job in NYC bc most people do not...
Hilarious center
  04/15/18
The "hours" are just the hours that you have to be...
navy arousing point ceo
  04/15/18
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Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
this is horseshit. i saw something on facebook that showed ...
Big brilliant shrine
  04/15/18
This is flame, right?
Flirting heady nowag temple
  04/15/18
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Violent Patrolman Theater Stage
  04/15/18
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lemon lay shitlib
  04/15/18
retire at 50. life-long pension. 6 hour work day (even less ...
Godawful infuriating fat ankles
  04/15/18
"6 hour work day" is complete and utter flame
Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
how so?
Godawful infuriating fat ankles
  04/15/18
ljl at a 6 hr workday. for what? kindergarten? where i ta...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
What's the bullshit paperwork for administrators? Lesson pla...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
hahaha. no, you have to write detailed "intensive educ...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
IEPs are for special education students. Quit exaggerating t...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
my wife taught at a school that required detailed, multi-pag...
Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
Was she in a union? Most (probably all) teacher unions negot...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
...
Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
Yes, not all of the work they have to do involves kids. They...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
I didn't say paperwork doesn't count as work. You're taking ...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
That’s the norm nowadays.
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
Yes. And almost every student in many schools now are classi...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
Flame. What school district has 95% of students with IEPs? Y...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
Apparently a hell of a lot more than you realized. I apologi...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
Link to a district with 90% special ed students (or 90% stud...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
He taught at some shitty inner city school..his experience i...
Hilarious center
  04/15/18
It's a travesty what has happened to public education in Ame...
charismatic box office
  04/15/18
LJL at a sinecured public school drone admin of diversity wi...
lemon lay shitlib
  04/15/18
I gave her a tiny shred of intelligence by having her realiz...
charismatic box office
  04/15/18
ur a good poaster
irradiated startling parlour
  04/15/18
ty, but let's not go overboard...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
in the places where they're low paid, the bus drivers don't ...
Thirsty Cream Range Community Account
  04/15/18
tcr, many school districts have fired all of their bus drive...
Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich
  04/15/18
because it’s an easy job that most people with a pulse can d...
green locus
  04/15/18
We're not comparing it to brain surgery we're comparing it t...
navy arousing point ceo
  04/15/18
it doesn't involve jumping into fires, smelling like other p...
Vibrant rehab
  04/15/18
yeah, i get that. it’s also way safer than the jobs you’re c...
green locus
  04/15/18
...
Boyish Codepig
  04/15/18
Because schoolboards and state legislatures are run by catty...
charismatic box office
  04/15/18
underappreciated post
translucent property
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Diverse yellow selfie milk
  04/15/18
Collectively we don't care about other people's kids. Parent...
pale odious wagecucks theater
  04/15/18
They’re not low paid. We fund an average $14,000 per student...
Marvelous Chestnut Spot Jew
  04/15/18
2017 median wages according to the Bureau of Labor Statistic...
fear-inspiring fortuitous meteor
  04/15/18
I have spammed that Cato paper on this board and elsewhere o...
Flirting heady nowag temple
  04/15/18
from here
fear-inspiring fortuitous meteor
  04/15/18
I think I came across it on Unz first but it’s great stuff.
lemon lay shitlib
  04/15/18
Lol at the flame about how hard teachers work. The first yea...
Flirting heady nowag temple
  04/15/18
This is a billion dollar industry. Aren't there plans out th...
fear-inspiring fortuitous meteor
  04/15/18
Did some TA sesssions in law school for the attached ugrad. ...
Mewling trailer park rigpig
  04/15/18
The head of the Chicago teachers union, a landbeast of color...
lemon lay shitlib
  04/15/18
Would more money mean better teachers?
Zippy Resort
  04/15/18
Maybe, but would having better teachers even matter for many...
Impertinent passionate orchestra pit hominid
  04/15/18
they have studies demonstrating the effect of great teachers...
Zippy Resort
  04/15/18
Supply and demand. Top private school teachers are paid more...
Alcoholic Coldplay Fan Nursing Home
  04/15/18
Are top private school teachers paid that much more than tea...
Zippy Resort
  04/15/18
Is this correct? With the possible exception of the absolute...
Flirting heady nowag temple
  04/15/18
In New Jersey wealthy communities, teachers drive BMWs. They...
unhinged twinkling uncleanness hall
  04/15/18
depends on the district. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary...
trip abode toilet seat
  04/15/18
Just going to reply here without reading the thread. Corpora...
Stirring set blood rage
  04/15/18
its correctly prorated for the THREE MONTH VACATION they get...
copper self-absorbed mental disorder pisswyrm
  04/15/18
Job security, done with work by 3, summers off and other ext...
nudist gunner
  04/15/18
They get told that they suck all of the time by admins which...
Stirring set blood rage
  04/15/18
tenure after 3 years, literally cannot be fired for low perf...
nudist gunner
  04/15/18
...
Hilarious center
  04/15/18
Btw, teachers in Finland are selected from the top 10% of un...
trip abode toilet seat
  04/15/18
They have tenure and absolute job security. They have la...
Coral racy garrison
  04/15/18
This is true in most large cities. Though, aside from the ho...
Impertinent passionate orchestra pit hominid
  04/15/18
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Hilarious center
  04/15/18
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rusted soggy sneaky criminal
  04/15/18
Teachers are whiny bitches or they teach in the inner city s...
Hilarious center
  04/15/18
What do you think is more common in this country? Cush pu...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
Three month vacation bro, three month vacation.
copper self-absorbed mental disorder pisswyrm
  04/15/18
You worked in some shithole inner city school for 30K teachi...
Hilarious center
  04/15/18
Actually, I didn’t teach special ed. And one of my classes w...
razzmatazz circlehead
  04/15/18
They're not. Work 30 years and you get a 70 percent pension...
Blue hot feces
  04/15/18
to everyone's shock and surprise, women ruined a once noble ...
spectacular library mother
  04/15/18
ITT: third worlders scuffle
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  04/15/18


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Date: April 14th, 2018 11:59 PM
Author: navy arousing point ceo

You'd think they'd be able to leverage themselves like firefighters, police, and bus drivers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843127)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: lemon lay shitlib

They do, in states where there are strong unions.

Remember: hours worked is not equal to a normal job, so you need to adjust the pay for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845829)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: Bright Home Corn Cake

only in sps red states

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843136)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: provocative striped hyena ladyboy

Glorified daycare

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843141)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: provocative striped hyena ladyboy

.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843142)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:02 AM
Author: Bright Home Corn Cake

and yet schools are the number 1 factor for upper middle class folks when buying a house.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843147)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:03 AM
Author: provocative striped hyena ladyboy

idiots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843150)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:10 AM
Author: Violent Patrolman Theater Stage

schools =/= teachers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843179)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: exhilarant indecent psychic chapel

schools == demographics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845251)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:06 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

they aren't going to get the same kind of popular support as policemen or firefighters, who very visually save people's lives & risk their own.

and parents don't respect teachers -- rather, they want to use them as scapegoats for their own failures as parents. so they aren't going to support increased taxes for teacher pay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843161)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:07 AM
Author: Bright Home Corn Cake

you clearly don't live in westchester county or LI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843164)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:08 AM
Author: irradiated startling parlour

police get support not for saving lives, but because of americans' love for authority and because police unions cry foul constantly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843169)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:09 AM
Author: Bright Home Corn Cake

it's amazing ppl haven't turned on police unions yet. truly awful for society

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843172)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:11 AM
Author: irradiated startling parlour

americans love authority. they will never turn on police unions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843186)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: lemon lay shitlib

Public employees unions in general are toxic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845837)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:33 AM
Author: Autistic slippery kitchen

yup, scapegoats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843304)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:08 AM
Author: Vibrant rehab

way too many people want this job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843167)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:11 AM
Author: navy arousing point ceo

i think this is true but the same is true for a lot of other public union jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843184)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: Vibrant rehab

women generally don't want to be police and firemen and bus drivers. you get rid of 50% of ppl right there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843195)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:15 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

Definitely not a lot of men trying to be pre-school and elementary teachers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843207)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: Vibrant rehab

well that's just a subset of the whole then.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843211)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:17 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

76% of all public school teachers are women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843217)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:18 AM
Author: Vibrant rehab

so lots more women want this job relative to men? what percent of firemen, garbagemen, subway car drivers are women?

anyways if you ever see tons of women in a job it means it's relatively manageable hours because it generally means it's pretty fucking compatible with motherhood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843223)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:27 AM
Author: Thirsty Cream Range Community Account

i believe his point is that most teachers are women and most 1st responders are men, so your argument is low iq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843279)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:29 AM
Author: Vibrant rehab

my point is more people want to be teachers than want to be fire/garbage men. those who want to be teachers do slant female and those who want to be fire/garbage men do slant male (and way more so than teachers slant female) but overall, still way more people want to be teachers than fire/garbage men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843289)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:32 AM
Author: navy arousing point ceo

You realize that in a lot of places you have to wait years to even take the test for firefighting if you're white because its so highly sought after?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843302)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:05 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich

in any major metro area it's incredibly difficult to become a teacher unless you are qualified to teach STEM to high school students under No Child Left Behind. outside of that, lol good luck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843435)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 8:10 PM
Author: dun yarmulke

lol at this ridiculous statement

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35847568)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

maybe the unicorn jobs, which are highly fought after.

this is closer to reality in highly populated areas:

https://teachereducation.steinhardt.nyu.edu/high-teacher-turnover/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843194)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:11 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich

i don't indulge in this shit usually, but honestly, it's because of sexism: men, and a lot of women, feel elementary and middle school is glorified daycare. nevermind that every single study out there says that early childhood and elementary years are by far the most determinative of your life.

it's also retarded that we don't have public pre-K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843183)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:21 AM
Author: Godawful infuriating fat ankles

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843240)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:36 AM
Author: Dull corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843313)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 4:30 AM
Author: Violent Patrolman Theater Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843788)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 4:33 AM
Author: Milky Piazza Headpube

wew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843791)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: Topaz appetizing address

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35844957)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:34 PM
Author: Coiffed Senate Preventive Strike

Strong post / moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845180)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:12 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

They work 9 months of the year and often get off at 2:30 or 3. They have every federal holiday off and get random snow days and spring break off. If you teach in a big city district you can make over 95K plus pension and great benefits. The compensation seems pretty good overall unless you live in an sps area like West Virginia or Oklahoma.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843189)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:15 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

i urge you to try it for 2 months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843204)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:18 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich

starting salary in CA and NY is $40K, not sure where you get $95K unless you're talking about 30 years in. in other states starting salary is low $30K.

"get off at 2:30 or 3" the day starts at 7:00am, at the latest 7:30am, and ends at 3:30pm. school may get out a half hour earlier, but they still have to grade papers, submit test scores, submit reports to administration, etc. also, they often have parent meetings or staff meetings, then the day ends at 5:00pm. 30 minute lunch break, but in most school districts they're expected to supervise the kids during "lunch".

teachers usually work 9-10 workdays. they get 2 1/2 months off at summer to compensate. it's not biglaw, but it's not less than a normal job either.

also, it's a job where you're constantly "on". you can flip over to ESPN or zone out for a while when you're responsible for a room full of 13 year olds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843222)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: Godawful infuriating fat ankles

plenty of DC and NYC-area school districts pay 95k for mid-career public school teachers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843247)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:29 AM
Author: Thirsty Cream Range Community Account

what percentage of schoolteachers in the US work in DC/NYC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843292)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:25 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

Obviously not talking about the starting salary but veteran teachers in NYC/DC/Boston etc can make over $90K

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843272)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:28 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

cr post, boomer. it's amazing how many misconceptions there are about teachers' workloads and salaries.

i assume it's from those who were raised in a very white, sheltered, probably well-off environment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843285)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:30 AM
Author: Comical parlor

it's from your standard xo poast who sees anything as not turbo-GC to be "fake work"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843294)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 4:35 AM
Author: Violent Patrolman Theater Stage

Lol my wife gets so mad when I don't value her non-profit jerb.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843792)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:31 AM
Author: Hilarious center

NYC starting pay is like 60K and bumps to like 85K within a couple of years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843295)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:59 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich

what's average rent on a 1 br in NYC? state taxes? how hard to get a teaching job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843404)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:33 PM
Author: Hilarious center

Very easy to get a teaching job in NYC bc most people do not want to teach in a big city. The students are worse and there is more bullshit.

Where i went to high school, suburban white flyover, salaries started at 50k and went to low 100k, plus 60k pension after 25 years.

Teaching in suburban white flyover is CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845176)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:19 AM
Author: navy arousing point ceo

The "hours" are just the hours that you have to be on all the time. I don't want to sing their sad song about grading papers or whatever, but you should realize 6 hours of teaching in front of 30 kids is much different than browsing over purchase agreements / facebook for 9 hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843232)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:00 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843409)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:35 AM
Author: Big brilliant shrine

this is horseshit.

i saw something on facebook that showed that teachers actually work the equivalent of 50 hours per week, 50 weeks of the year

so quit bitching about teachers. they are one of our most important resources and should be compensated accordingly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843541)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:31 AM
Author: Flirting heady nowag temple

This is flame, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843734)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 4:37 AM
Author: Violent Patrolman Theater Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843793)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:19 PM
Author: lemon lay shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845858)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:17 AM
Author: Godawful infuriating fat ankles

retire at 50. life-long pension. 6 hour work day (even less if you consider kids are gone for lunch, P/E, etc.). 9 month work year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843218)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:19 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich

"6 hour work day" is complete and utter flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843229)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: Godawful infuriating fat ankles

how so?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843249)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:22 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

ljl at a 6 hr workday. for what? kindergarten?

where i taught it was 7 hours bell to bell for the students. obviously the teachers have to arrive at least 20 minutes earlier in most schools, as the buses come earlier and the kids have free breakfast, etc.

teachers probably do more actual work in a workday than the majority of white collar professions, and have to stay well after the kids leave doing bullshit paperwork for the administrators, not to mention the paper grading and test-making and parent calls and planning lessons. granted the test-making and lesson planning get easier over time, until the curriculum changes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843251)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:26 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

What's the bullshit paperwork for administrators? Lesson plans and tests?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843277)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:34 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

hahaha.

no, you have to write detailed "intensive education plans" for each student. then provide constant, detailed updates in each of a shit ton of different categories. for each student.

then there are always curriculum and standards related paperwork you have to fill out from the idiots at the school district, who keep coming up with new bright ideas.

and, of course, the principal will always have bright ideas about improving test scores, so you're going to have after school meetings where he has you read a bunch of bullshit liberal pseudoscience, and then prepare plans for how you're going to implement them in your grading process.

you have to fill out specific forms in a computer system every time a child has a disciplinary infraction. which is several kids every class every day.

and then you have to make sure your lesson plans follow a specific bullshit format, and keep them in a certain manner, and the principal will duck in and check up on them to ensure they are up to date.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843309)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:51 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

IEPs are for special education students. Quit exaggerating the workload bro. Most teachers aren't writing specific discipline plans and education maps for each student. The teachers who do that kind of specialized work usually work with small groups of students in special ed or sheltered classrooms.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843368)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:02 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich

my wife taught at a school that required detailed, multi-page lesson plans be submitted weekly to administration. of course it was required to be done on uncompensated time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843417)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:09 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

Was she in a union? Most (probably all) teacher unions negotiate for paid "planning" time so teachers have free periods during the school day with no students to plan and grade. Your wife probably had 45-90 minutes per day to complete her lesson plans plus the compensated professional development time at her school. Teachers love to exaggerate the demands on their time and conveniently leave out all the compensated time without kids they have to get their work done

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843446)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:15 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843470)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:10 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

Yes, not all of the work they have to do involves kids. They get 45 minutes per day intended for required paperwork. In my experience, the first & last 5 minutes of that “planning period” required monitoring the halls.

Funny, though that you would act like 45 minutes devoted to paperwork doesn’t count as “work,” yet an entire day of paperwork for other white collar professionals is much harder work than non-teachers face.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843692)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:14 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

I didn't say paperwork doesn't count as work. You're taking my points a little too personally. I was responding to the poaster's claim that his wife had to complete her paperwork off the clock. It just isn't true that most teachers have a ton of paperwork with no paid time to complete it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843699)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:06 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

That’s the norm nowadays.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843683)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 2:52 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

Yes. And almost every student in many schools now are classified as “special education.”

I wasn’t certified as a special ed teacher. I had no special ed classes. Yet I had IEPs for 95% of my students.

Oh, & I had at least 32 students in each class.

You are detached from the reality of a majority of public schools.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843671)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:08 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

Flame. What school district has 95% of students with IEPs? You're a ridiculous outlier or you're exaggerating your experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843687)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:13 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

Apparently a hell of a lot more than you realized. I apologize if it was 90%, btw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843696)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:15 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig

Link to a district with 90% special ed students (or 90% students with IEPs depending on how they classify demographics)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843701)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:36 PM
Author: Hilarious center

He taught at some shitty inner city school..his experience is probably on par with TFA grads who disproportionately hate teaching

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845191)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:52 AM
Author: charismatic box office

It's a travesty what has happened to public education in America. Many school districts are now blatantly non-white fiefdoms who almost explicitly are in the business of educating non-white children only. Yes, let's make everything relevant to V'Tarryius and Quon'Dretta.

"then there are always curriculum and standards related paperwork you have to fill out from the idiots at the school district, who keep coming up with new bright ideas."

Yes and they have armies of admins who never, ever end up having to do this shitwork themselves.

"If you could also do a statistical regression analysis in your attached Excel file that would be great."

Email sig: Londretta Tompkins-Walters, Director of Standards and Development, EdD, MSW, LCSW, MA - "Achieving the dream for disadvantaged youth in the community!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843375)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: lemon lay shitlib

LJL at a sinecured public school drone admin of diversity with a useless taxpayer-purchased EdD not including “Dr.” or possibly “DOCTOR” in her signature line in addition to the useless postnominal letters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35846405)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 10:03 PM
Author: charismatic box office

I gave her a tiny shred of intelligence by having her realize the initial Dr. was unneeded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35848343)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:29 AM
Author: irradiated startling parlour

ur a good poaster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843290)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:38 AM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

ty, but let's not go overboard...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843319)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:26 AM
Author: Thirsty Cream Range Community Account

in the places where they're low paid, the bus drivers don't exist and they certainly aren't well-paid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843276)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:04 AM
Author: Chrome Out-of-control Sandwich

tcr, many school districts have fired all of their bus drivers and instead required their teachers to do the job, on top of their regular job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843426)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:28 AM
Author: green locus

because it’s an easy job that most people with a pulse can do. it’s basically unskilled labor. and you only work like 35 weeks a year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843286)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:34 AM
Author: navy arousing point ceo

We're not comparing it to brain surgery we're comparing it to other public sector jobs that have managed to extract big bucks from the taxpayers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843308)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:43 AM
Author: Vibrant rehab

it doesn't involve jumping into fires, smelling like other people's shit, and coming into contact with underground rats, etc. also queer shifts. the queer shifts thing is huge, especially for people with families.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843335)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:50 AM
Author: green locus

yeah, i get that. it’s also way safer than the jobs you’re comparin* it to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843360)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:52 AM
Author: Boyish Codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843374)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:47 AM
Author: charismatic box office

Because schoolboards and state legislatures are run by catty lawfags like a lot of the posters ITT.

YOU DONT PUT IN THE HOURS I DO!! MUH SPREADSHEET

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843345)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:43 PM
Author: translucent property

underappreciated post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35844951)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 8:16 PM
Author: Diverse yellow selfie milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35847597)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:10 AM
Author: pale odious wagecucks theater

Collectively we don't care about other people's kids. Parents would rather pay more for tutors and programs and legacy admissions than better teachers for random kids. No rational society would entrust the most formative years of kids lives to people who will work for $40k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843449)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:34 AM
Author: Marvelous Chestnut Spot Jew

They’re not low paid. We fund an average $14,000 per student, per year, for public education in this country. That’s more than enough to pay teachers well.

Where does the money go? Salaries for “administrators,” pensions and benefits, social justice programs, benefits for illegals, and debt financing for buildings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35843738)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: fear-inspiring fortuitous meteor

2017 median wages according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

Firefighters: $49,080 per year

Police and Detectives: $62,960 per year

Bus Drivers: $33,010 per year

Kindergarten and Elementary School Teachers: $56,900 per year

High School Teachers: $59,170 per year

Considering these numbers, I don't agree with the prior assumption that they get paid significantly less than any other public position. On average they are pretty well compensated and have pretty good benefits. So good in fact that large portions of state budgets are used to finance their healthcare and pension.

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Why they don't get paid even more? I'm no expert but I can think of a couple potential reasons off the top of my head:

1) The structure of public education is generally against meritocracy and rewarding the "good" teachers. I assume this is a function of unions. Are there objective tests to determine relative competency and to reward it? Are they used?

2) The public doesn't trust the typical administration to spend wisely and is understandably reticent to fund additional waste. Consider the horror stories out of the KCMO fiasco while it was under a nominally competent direction of a federal judge.

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment

3) Women make up the majority of teachers. Women are also notoriously bad negotiators and horribly inefficient. The two posters above describing the long work day of the teacher are undoubtedly true, but also unnecessary to the core function of the job. That they have to deal with bullshit paper pushing and crazy lib education theory is a result of the structures set up by unions and self interested bureaucrats. Again those are understandably less than desirable to tax for.

4) The solution would be to completely start again but like higher education and the healthcare industry there are just too many interested parties who would be made worthless. Not just "fat cats" and "big wigs" but the millions of plebes doing bullshit jobs and getting paid decent for it also would like to keep their jobs, even if it means deluding themselves that they serve a purpose.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35844904)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:53 PM
Author: Flirting heady nowag temple

I have spammed that Cato paper on this board and elsewhere over the years. How did you come across it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845008)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:56 PM
Author: fear-inspiring fortuitous meteor

from here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845018)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 5:05 PM
Author: lemon lay shitlib

I think I came across it on Unz first but it’s great stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35846428)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: Flirting heady nowag temple

Lol at the flame about how hard teachers work. The first year or two for teachers can be rough, but after that, with the exception of a select few all-star teachers, teachers are on autopilot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35844986)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 12:59 PM
Author: fear-inspiring fortuitous meteor

This is a billion dollar industry. Aren't there plans out there to use and adapt? Why in the world would every teacher slave for hours to come up with their own unique plan to teach second graders? Oh thats right, because they're inefficient morons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845044)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:19 PM
Author: Mewling trailer park rigpig

Did some TA sesssions in law school for the attached ugrad. Setting up materials and topics for each day was a pain yr 1 but easy the year after. Just wash rinse repeat with some slight modifications.

Grading papers was tough but only bc it was hard to distinguish between the equivalent of As and A-s.

Not sure what teachers make but here in Chicago there is like a threat of a strike every few months. I think some schools are shutting dow bc of cost.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845115)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 5:09 PM
Author: lemon lay shitlib

The head of the Chicago teachers union, a landbeast of color, is perhaps the archetype of “useless, overpaid shitlib”.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35846447)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:08 PM
Author: Zippy Resort

Would more money mean better teachers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845072)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:14 PM
Author: Impertinent passionate orchestra pit hominid

Maybe, but would having better teachers even matter for many public school districts?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845098)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:22 PM
Author: Zippy Resort

they have studies demonstrating the effect of great teachers on reading level progression.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845126)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:12 PM
Author: Alcoholic Coldplay Fan Nursing Home

Supply and demand. Top private school teachers are paid more because the wealthy demand quality education. For the masses, they barely need to be literate to flip burgers or dig ditches so you don’t need to pay the teachers very much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845095)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:24 PM
Author: Zippy Resort

Are top private school teachers paid that much more than teachers in top districts? Don't think so tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845134)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: Flirting heady nowag temple

Is this correct? With the possible exception of the absolute top prep schools, I think private school teachers make less than their public school counterparts in "good" school districts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845217)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: unhinged twinkling uncleanness hall

In New Jersey wealthy communities, teachers drive BMWs. They’re unionized and have vast power. Teachers at inner city public schools are fuarked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845130)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:24 PM
Author: trip abode toilet seat

depends on the district.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Syosset-Central-School-District-Teacher-Salaries-E211519_D_KO32,39.htm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845136)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: Stirring set blood rage

Just going to reply here without reading the thread. Corporations or what have you are run lazily by sociopaths. Just beacuse they are run by pricks doesn't make them efficient. If a company is making a 20% profit, and the market DEMANDS that they pay a middle manager $190k, then they'll just shrug their shoulders and be like, "fine." Besides, that puts upward pressure on their own earnings anyway. Typically, businesses do shit that is complicated enough, and bosspricks are clueless enough, that it's easy to just pay someone a bunch of money to do it, rather than to document/know everything that needs to be done and pay immigrants $9/hr to do the grunt work. Now in education, there is a hard cap on how much money their is. That shit is non-negotiable. No one is going to pay more for a good teacher. They'll pay more for a good school, but not a good teacher. Teachers can be replaced by substitute teachers, who are literally just... any adult with a pulse.

Having said that, if you add up all of the generous pension/benefits/time off which is cumulatively worth, eh, maybe $40k a year or more, and consider that teachers literally major in liberal arts which makes them 0% more employable than a high school grad for anything but government work, then.... what was the question again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845139)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:27 PM
Author: copper self-absorbed mental disorder pisswyrm

its correctly prorated for the THREE MONTH VACATION they get off every year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845149)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:27 PM
Author: nudist gunner

Job security, done with work by 3, summers off and other extended breaks, pension, excellent health benefits, "rewarding" work with basically no oversight or accountability, no emergencies or real deadlines.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845150)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: Stirring set blood rage

They get told that they suck all of the time by admins which is the same accountability that you have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845161)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:32 PM
Author: nudist gunner

tenure after 3 years, literally cannot be fired for low performance review and also no reward for doing a good job bc there's no promotion from teacher.

also, in good districts, teachers can tutor for additional $80-100/hr cash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845171)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:39 PM
Author: Hilarious center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845208)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:29 PM
Author: trip abode toilet seat

Btw, teachers in Finland are selected from the top 10% of university grads, are well-trained and well-paid, and are given autonomy.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845157)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:32 PM
Author: Coral racy garrison

They have tenure and absolute job security.

They have lavish, preposterously generous pensions. And, they only have to work 30 years to get them, so they can start teaching at 22 and retire at 52 with full pension.

They work 9 months a year, 7 hours a day, and have more paid holidays than almost any private sector job.

Tons of people love kids and want to do the job, so supply is high.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845172)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:35 PM
Author: Impertinent passionate orchestra pit hominid

This is true in most large cities. Though, aside from the holidays, most teachers in flyover areas don't have it nearly this good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845187)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: Hilarious center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845195)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 3:10 PM
Author: rusted soggy sneaky criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845802)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 1:38 PM
Author: Hilarious center

Teachers are whiny bitches or they teach in the inner city shithole

Suburban flyover teachers make decent money, have an insane pension after 20 to 25 years and dont have to deal with gangs, etc.

I can barely think of a better job in suburban flyover.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35845203)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

What do you think is more common in this country?

Cush public school teaching jobs where the vast majority of students are well-behaved, smart kids from stable two parent households?

Or hellish public school teaching jobs where the vast majority of students are buckwild dumbs from single parent households?

And lol at the failure to understand all of the uncompensated administrative bullshit teachers are required to do, now, as administrators try to find excuses for “minorities” terrible performance.

And, yes, our country keeps wasting ever increasing billions on public ed, that doesn’t go to the teachers, all in an effort to pretend the issue isn’t cultural.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35846169)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 5:08 PM
Author: copper self-absorbed mental disorder pisswyrm

Three month vacation bro, three month vacation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35846440)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 8:05 PM
Author: Hilarious center

You worked in some shithole inner city school for 30K teaching special ed...your experience is an outlier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35847531)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 10:20 PM
Author: razzmatazz circlehead

Actually, I didn’t teach special ed. And one of my classes was “honors.” Most in honors 10th English had 4th grade level reading tests & IEPs, & when I asked how they were in a 34 student honors class, the other teachers told me students can enroll for whatever classes they like.

If you think my case was the exception rather than the norm in 2017-18 America, you’re living in a bubble.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35848469)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 7:06 PM
Author: Blue hot feces

They're not. Work 30 years and you get a 70 percent pension is terrific fucking wages at anything above 30 k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35847145)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 8:29 PM
Author: spectacular library mother

to everyone's shock and surprise, women ruined a once noble profession

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35847646)



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Date: April 15th, 2018 10:04 PM
Author: Dark Travel Guidebook Digit Ratio

ITT: third worlders scuffle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3949637&forum_id=2#35848352)