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How did Panera get so big with suburban wagecucks

Oh wow cold sandwiches and weird crunchy bread! *hordes of f...
turquoise antidepressant drug trailer park
  04/17/18
A regular sandwich is nice after years of burgers and shit l...
Outnumbered Sexy Theatre
  04/17/18
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Bearded Main People Psychic
  04/18/18
don't forget lots of soup and flatbreads!
Carmine alpha step-uncle's house
  04/17/18
1) lack of options in suburbia 2) ability to also use it ...
Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt
  04/17/18
re: 1, is this for real? IME every town has local sandwich s...
cowardly parlour
  04/17/18
Yeah but not with cool booths and ambient music and kooky &q...
Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt
  04/17/18
ugh. broccoli cheddar soup too.
cowardly parlour
  04/17/18
It's sodium loaded tttrash
Swashbuckling autistic keepsake machete toaster
  04/17/18
irrelevant, they convincingly market themselves as "hea...
Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt
  04/17/18
ran here to poast SALT SALT SALT
Primrose boyish philosopher-king lodge
  04/17/18
why are proles so convinced that "sodium" is bad f...
razzle messiness library
  04/18/18
I don't think it's necessarily bad for you but I've started ...
tan stirring party of the first part stain
  04/18/18
https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/salt/
burgundy mood place of business
  04/18/18
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heady codepig
  04/18/18
I recently went there for breakfast. Had an "egg and st...
olive learning disabled laser beams
  04/17/18
I had a 180 breakfast sandwich there recently, but it was in...
Ocher degenerate
  04/18/18
this was in a nice southern town
olive learning disabled laser beams
  04/18/18
lol @ at ATTTlanTTTa being nice
Bearded Main People Psychic
  04/18/18
Had an "egg and steak" sandwich and another breakf...
dashing bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency
  04/18/18
all these random yuppiecorps just forcememe themselves into ...
Provocative Zippy School Boiling Water
  04/17/18
More than a few of these are owned by gc MEGAFOODCORPS like ...
Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt
  04/17/18
yeah the more resources you have to forcememe with, the bett...
Provocative Zippy School Boiling Water
  04/17/18
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turquoise antidepressant drug trailer park
  04/17/18
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tan stirring party of the first part stain
  04/18/18
No idea it fuckong blows.
cowardly parlour
  04/17/18
Add on cosi and au bon pain. All these places are really for...
Opaque Misunderstood Ticket Booth
  04/17/18
Where do big lawyer lunchPIGS put their snouts these days?
turquoise antidepressant drug trailer park
  04/17/18
Big lolyers think feasting on branzino at Brasserie 8 & ...
Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt
  04/17/18
ljl
turquoise antidepressant drug trailer park
  04/17/18
sophie's cuban
ultramarine reading party masturbator
  04/18/18
Its strictly for strivers who think they are too good for Su...
Odious dysfunction
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Drab Diverse Station
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tan stirring party of the first part stain
  04/18/18
subway is worse than any other sandwich chain and isn't real...
Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces
  04/18/18
lol IIRC Quiznos came out as a gimmicky response to subway's...
heady codepig
  04/18/18
Subway is shit quality with throw away veggies and processed...
marvelous pisswyrm abode
  04/18/18
Pain Quotidien too. And how pretentious "well we don't ...
Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt
  04/17/18
Au Bon Pain is Panera
marvelous pisswyrm abode
  04/18/18
The look and feel is slightly urban (but not intimidatingly ...
insecure immigrant state
  04/18/18
wat
aggressive pearly haunted graveyard puppy
  04/18/18
im gay.
plum effete background story dog poop
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insecure immigrant state
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house-broken stage
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aggressive pearly haunted graveyard puppy
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appetizing office queen of the night
  04/18/18
cr
Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces
  04/18/18
What the fuck is this drivel
dashing bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency
  04/18/18
literally no one thinks like this
Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces
  04/18/18
lol
heady codepig
  04/18/18
This is like all wrong
Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt
  04/18/18
Thoughts on Corner Bakery? I prefer it over Panera. Also...
At-the-ready trip mediation
  04/18/18
In the Loop there really aren't any good food options.
Odious dysfunction
  04/18/18
Uno?
Opaque Misunderstood Ticket Booth
  04/18/18
Pizzari Uno? That's River North. River North has some de...
Odious dysfunction
  04/18/18
nando's chicken Frontera Fresco in Macy's Block 37 has th...
At-the-ready trip mediation
  04/18/18
Xo: lol coastal elites are so out of touch! Rofl libs! Xo...
dashing bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency
  04/18/18
I eat at Taco Bell and Subway.
Odious dysfunction
  04/18/18
ewww chains are sooo gross. I only eat LOCAL sodium filled s...
Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces
  04/18/18
Place for proles to feel prestigious as they munch on their ...
tan stirring party of the first part stain
  04/18/18
Do people really think there's some kind of prestige associa...
aggressive pearly haunted graveyard puppy
  04/18/18
No they 100% do because they're not going to McDonald's like...
tan stirring party of the first part stain
  04/18/18
maybe they just don't want to have burgers for every single ...
Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces
  04/18/18
Then go to Taco Bell. My main issue with these places (...
Odious dysfunction
  04/18/18
I like cosi. panera and the rest are whatever. every time I ...
Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces
  04/18/18
No, they don't, not even flyover proles think there is any c...
Odious dysfunction
  04/18/18
Brian Fallon ‏ Verified account @brianefallo...
tan stirring party of the first part stain
  04/18/18
Almost all chain restaurants are prole/terrible
Bearded Main People Psychic
  04/18/18
You can avoid the lines by ordering for pickup through their...
startled roommate
  04/18/18


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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:45 PM
Author: turquoise antidepressant drug trailer park

Oh wow cold sandwiches and weird crunchy bread! *hordes of fat office slaves line up at 12:30 on the dot*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862273)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:51 PM
Author: Outnumbered Sexy Theatre

A regular sandwich is nice after years of burgers and shit like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862311)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:23 PM
Author: Bearded Main People Psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867276)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:52 PM
Author: Carmine alpha step-uncle's house

don't forget lots of soup and flatbreads!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862313)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:52 PM
Author: Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt

1) lack of options in suburbia

2) ability to also use it as a work space

3) latches on to the "clean eating" and "portion control" trends

4)Reasonably priced

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862314)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: cowardly parlour

re: 1, is this for real? IME every town has local sandwich shops.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862343)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt

Yeah but not with cool booths and ambient music and kooky "flat bread" sandwiches.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862353)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:57 PM
Author: cowardly parlour

ugh. broccoli cheddar soup too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862356)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:52 PM
Author: Swashbuckling autistic keepsake machete toaster

It's sodium loaded tttrash

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862317)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt

irrelevant, they convincingly market themselves as "healthy" to youngs and proles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862323)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: Primrose boyish philosopher-king lodge

ran here to poast SALT SALT SALT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862341)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:43 AM
Author: razzle messiness library

why are proles so convinced that "sodium" is bad for you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35866963)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:02 PM
Author: tan stirring party of the first part stain

I don't think it's necessarily bad for you but I've started eating a lot less salt and I just feel better. And regular food tastes too salty now. It's kind of a cr tip to lower daily salt intake just for general well-being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867119)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: burgundy mood place of business

https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/salt/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867325)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: heady codepig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867380)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: olive learning disabled laser beams

I recently went there for breakfast. Had an "egg and steak" sandwich and another breakfast sandwich. It was horribly disgusting, they basically put the bread and meat in a steamer and steamed it, it was soaking wet. I will never eat breakfast there again - I will eat the turkey bacon bravo sandwich for lunch though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862325)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:07 AM
Author: Ocher degenerate

I had a 180 breakfast sandwich there recently, but it was in a nice southern town

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35866730)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:38 AM
Author: olive learning disabled laser beams

this was in a nice southern town

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35866918)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:23 PM
Author: Bearded Main People Psychic

lol @ at ATTTlanTTTa being nice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867278)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: dashing bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency

Had an "egg and steak" sandwich and another breakfast sandwich

(Bloodacrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867078)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:54 PM
Author: Provocative Zippy School Boiling Water

all these random yuppiecorps just forcememe themselves into popularity

if there are 100 yuppiecorps in forcememe competition for the handful of slots in the normie consciousness in any given consumerist niche, there will inevitably be winners who don't seem to differ from their competitors in any substantial way, or bring anything special to the table

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862331)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:59 PM
Author: Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt

More than a few of these are owned by gc MEGAFOODCORPS like Darden and Yum! Brands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862364)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 6:00 PM
Author: Provocative Zippy School Boiling Water

yeah the more resources you have to forcememe with, the better your chances to win

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862375)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 6:02 PM
Author: turquoise antidepressant drug trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862386)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: tan stirring party of the first part stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867146)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:54 PM
Author: cowardly parlour

No idea it fuckong blows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862335)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: Opaque Misunderstood Ticket Booth

Add on cosi and au bon pain. All these places are really for prole office workers though, not big Lawyers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862350)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 5:58 PM
Author: turquoise antidepressant drug trailer park

Where do big lawyer lunchPIGS put their snouts these days?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862361)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 6:00 PM
Author: Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt

Big lolyers think feasting on branzino at Brasserie 8 & 1/2 is the HEIGTH of refinement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862376)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 6:01 PM
Author: turquoise antidepressant drug trailer park

ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862380)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:46 AM
Author: ultramarine reading party masturbator

sophie's cuban

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35866994)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 6:00 PM
Author: Odious dysfunction

Its strictly for strivers who think they are too good for Subway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862374)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: Drab Diverse Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35866771)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: tan stirring party of the first part stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867156)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces

subway is worse than any other sandwich chain and isn't really cheaper. also, fuck them for driving quiznos out of business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867314)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: heady codepig

lol IIRC Quiznos came out as a gimmicky response to subway's success. All those stupid quotes all over the place. I hate that shit. It is also why I hate Trader Joes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867408)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: marvelous pisswyrm abode

Subway is shit quality with throw away veggies and processed meats.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867357)



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Date: April 17th, 2018 6:01 PM
Author: Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt

Pain Quotidien too. And how pretentious "well we don't have coke, but we have our OWN soda..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35862381)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: marvelous pisswyrm abode

Au Bon Pain is Panera

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867375)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:51 AM
Author: insecure immigrant state

The look and feel is slightly urban (but not intimidatingly so) and sophisticated but comfortable. A suburban wagecuck can drive to Panera from his hellscape office park and enjoy half a sandwich (it has the word bravo in it, it's sophisticated!) and some sodium water "soup" and feel as though he's eating lunch as a "big wall street type" might in New York (he had a great vacation there once).



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867038)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: aggressive pearly haunted graveyard puppy

wat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867053)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: plum effete background story dog poop

im gay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867079)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: insecure immigrant state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867087)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: house-broken stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867090)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: aggressive pearly haunted graveyard puppy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867114)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 1:24 PM
Author: appetizing office queen of the night



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867729)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867893)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: dashing bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency

What the fuck is this drivel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867106)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:25 PM
Author: Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces

literally no one thinks like this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867292)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 1:40 PM
Author: heady codepig

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867847)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 1:41 PM
Author: Multi-colored nofapping people who are hurt

This is like all wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867853)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: At-the-ready trip mediation

Thoughts on Corner Bakery? I prefer it over Panera.

Also, feel bad when I see tourists eating at Panera in Chicago. It's like eating Applebees in NY. So many reasonably priced alternatives nearby with much better food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867081)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: Odious dysfunction

In the Loop there really aren't any good food options.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867100)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:20 PM
Author: Opaque Misunderstood Ticket Booth

Uno?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867258)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: Odious dysfunction

Pizzari Uno? That's River North. River North has some decent options, but the actual Loop is a wasteland.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867275)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 1:56 PM
Author: At-the-ready trip mediation

nando's chicken

Frontera Fresco in Macy's

Block 37 has that cafeteria like place (dining hall?)

The Marq

Pittsfield [I actually really enjoy this place; eat there often]

Al's beef

Naf NAf

BenjYehuda

There are pricier restaurants, but I always find good alternatives to Panera. But, I get why tourists just go to what they're familiar with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35868011)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: dashing bawdyhouse international law enforcement agency

Xo: lol coastal elites are so out of touch! Rofl libs!

Xo: acts like libs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867109)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: Odious dysfunction

I eat at Taco Bell and Subway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867133)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces

ewww chains are sooo gross. I only eat LOCAL sodium filled shitfood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867300)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:07 PM
Author: tan stirring party of the first part stain

Place for proles to feel prestigious as they munch on their caloric prolefeed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867168)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:24 PM
Author: aggressive pearly haunted graveyard puppy

Do people really think there's some kind of prestige associated with shitty chain restaurants like Panera? This seems like flame, these places are in food courts and strip malls and at the airport.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867283)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: tan stirring party of the first part stain

No they 100% do because they're not going to McDonald's like the low proles

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867297)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:27 PM
Author: Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces

maybe they just don't want to have burgers for every single meal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867305)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: Odious dysfunction

Then go to Taco Bell.

My main issue with these places (Panera, Cosi, Au bon Pain) is that the food is just bland and shrewy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867315)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:33 PM
Author: Disrespectful Soul-stirring Feces

I like cosi. panera and the rest are whatever. every time I hear some cockbreath refer to a place as "bland" I take it to mean that they actually have decent food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867336)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:28 PM
Author: Odious dysfunction

No, they don't, not even flyover proles think there is any cache to these places.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867311)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:29 PM
Author: tan stirring party of the first part stain

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Even if he doesn't hit 50 tonight, Ossoff is showing us the path to retaking the House. It runs through the Panera Breads of America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867319)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:24 PM
Author: Bearded Main People Psychic

Almost all chain restaurants are prole/terrible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867284)



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Date: April 18th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: startled roommate

You can avoid the lines by ordering for pickup through their app. You can also customize your order, so I'll usually get a breakfast sandwich with an extra egg an gouda instead of cheddar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3952070&forum_id=2#35867328)