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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:44 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885345) |
Date: April 20th, 2018 8:44 PM Author: flushed vigorous center (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885349) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:45 PM Author: flushed vigorous center wait, what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885352) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:46 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater Could’ve had an actual utopia but banker$ put it down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885359) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:49 PM Author: flushed vigorous center democracy and universal suffrage are the reasons for our sorry decline. we'd be better off under a king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885382) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater Lol at this flame; part of my family is French Protestant and we have one of the bricks from the bastille; 180 thought that one of my ancestors put a monarchists head on a pike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885396) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: flushed vigorous center you are mentally ill, like all true small-d democrats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885649) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater i voted trump bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885655) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:02 PM Author: brass associate you're still a dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885782) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:11 PM Author: Mischievous Church Building TRUMP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890502) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:10 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885826) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:57 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (Literally a traitor in the American Revolution) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885423) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:46 PM Author: Henna faggot firefighter WE BLEW IT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885357) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:48 PM Author: Amber business firm background story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885375) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:58 PM Author: diverse orchestra pit Lol I guess so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885428) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:59 PM Author: beta whorehouse marketing idea cr last best chance to massacre the bourgeoi$ie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885433) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: navy potus the french revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885660) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:47 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater absolute flame; people were living in huts 7 children to a family starving (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885666) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:47 PM Author: navy potus sounds like 7 more friends than the average american has (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885671) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater working backbreaking manual labor and dying at 30 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885679) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: navy potus sounds like 40 less years of intergalactic retardation than the average american has (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885687) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:43 PM Author: big forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886362) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate Now studio apartments with 0 children morbidly obese (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890319) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:48 PM Author: mahogany spectacular genital piercing love of her life (guy hanging revolutionary french calendar in his kitchen) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885676) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater nah; i believe in God, but the roman church is absolutely decadent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885684) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: mahogany spectacular genital piercing love of her life just do Cult of the Supreme Being? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885691) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:00 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater pretty hard to argue Christ didn't rise from the dead as a historical event; that doesn't mean he wanted pope frank saying atheists go to heaven; roman church consistently sells itself in order to be palatable to the world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885767) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: mahogany spectacular genital piercing love of her life lol protestantism is even worse about that tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885771) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:05 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater yes and no, there are conservative protestants (im one) that are generally ostracized by the mainline
if youre going to argue one church is the "historical church" you and i both know its the orthodox |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: navy potus lol wut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885777) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:04 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater the historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth rose from the dead is as strong, and in some cases stronger, than any other documented event from that same time period
the only reason you cant believe is because youre going to say people can never rise from the dead so it is made up |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:07 PM Author: navy potus your brain is broken, friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885806) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:12 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater earliest account of the life of caesar - 150 yrs
earliest account of Jesus - 40 yrs |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:13 PM Author: navy potus your brain. is broken. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885844) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: Nudist Depressive Nursing Home ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886270) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:26 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater the earliest biography (not reference) of Caesar's life is roughly 150 A.D. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886273) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:30 PM Author: navy potus And in your mind the stories of Jesus were assuredly also "biographical" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886286) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:38 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater they arent biographies in the sense that they purport to give an objective factual description of a person's life like today; but literally no biography from the ancient world is like that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886336) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:39 PM Author: navy potus Right but it is in the critical, how should I say, magic bits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886343) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:43 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater i dont get what youre getting at; you either believe miracles can happen or they can't; and miracles are actually pretty rare in the old and new testament outside of a few very contained time periods (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886365) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:47 PM Author: navy potus What I'm getting at is that old pieces of paper you're claiming constitute a biography are not good evidence that someone came back to life after 3 days of being det for the first and only time in history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886374) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:28 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (Ignorant dude claiming there is only one person resurrected in the entire Bible)
Jesus is the only man, who by his own power, resurrected. Although I think scholarly Godmos debate whether the Father raised the Son or if the Son rose by his own power; I tend to think the whole Trinity was involved |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:34 PM Author: navy potus So all the magic in the history of the world was concentrated around 2000 years ago, and that more stories of magic on esoteric sheets of papyrus makes the existence of that magic more likely. That people that otherwise function in the regular world can believe in magical stories for no otherwise acceptance reason is absolutely stunning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890295) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:37 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater miracles are concentrated around the time Jesus was physically on earth; they're relatively rare elsewhere in the Bible, you sound like you've never read any book of the Bible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890318) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:39 PM Author: navy potus Youre saying that reading the bible more (ive been reading a lot) will provide more evidence of Jesus the magician. The bible is not evidence of magic. Why don't you understand that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890328) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:40 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (not a lawyer)
the bible is evidence, you're just arguing its not credible because you are saying a priori miracles cannot happen, therefore anything with miracles is made up |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:43 PM Author: navy potus I don't support Richard Dawkins, but this is dangerous thinking, especially when your commitment to the existence of magic far outpaces your interest in living morally, even as the very document your profess faith in compels. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890351) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:45 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater the Bible tells me both to live morally and that it is impossible to perfectly be moral, thus the need for a savior, if you could be a moral person on your own there is literally no reason for the Crucifixion
the problem was when the roman church complicated everything |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:48 PM Author: navy potus You are still interpreting the bible as literal/objective mythology. If you think the bible gives you permission to intentionally sin, I don't have much else to say here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890398) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:50 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater it doesn't give permission, it actually says dont sin or die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890414) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:38 PM Author: Cobalt Coldplay Fan Ceo Do you mean Augustus? Because we have Julius’ history of the Gallic war (as well as other stuff). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890325) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:39 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater pretty sure those aren't from his time? i thought earliest copies of gallic wars are from like 800 a.d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890332) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:47 PM Author: Cobalt Coldplay Fan Ceo You mean like oldest copies of stuff (as opposed to when it was first written down)? Didn’t understand what you were getting at there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890397) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:49 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater yeah exactly, the oldest extant copy
nt - roughly 30-50 yrs out depending on book/letter (revelation is the outlier, i think the oldest copy is 100 yrs out) large # of copies
gallic wars- 500+ years
biographies of caesar -150+ yrs after death fairly small # of copies |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:01 PM Author: Cobalt Coldplay Fan Ceo Got you. But weren’t the gospels all written down 30-40 years after Jesus’ death anyway (vs Caeser writing his own memoirs). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890463) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:26 PM Author: navy potus That's the claim, but the oldest papyrus of the epistles of Paul are from 350 ad, and Paul was not an eye witness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35891153) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 6:59 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater oldest complete set is from 350
there are many individual copies 30-60 years out
paul was not an eyewitness but spoke with eyewitnesses
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:35 PM Author: navy potus You will still have a lot of trouble establishing the physical resurrection as historical fact, provided historians have found much of the gospel narratives, including major events, are embellishment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896554) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 11:05 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater parts are, but the resurrection is always described as literal and historical, never figurative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35941677) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: navy potus Begs the question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35941820) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:59 PM Author: Shimmering Comical Stag Film Nigga what?
pretty hard to argue Christ didn't rise from the dead as a historical event; |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Chest-beating parlour dysfunction Les Deplorables
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEiTKloMgBg |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Adventurous locus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885683) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:11 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate Actual we had it right until the French Revolution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885830) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:10 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater nah, i would've taken great pleasure seeing that bitch Marie Antoinette lose her head and putting those royalist cucks to the sword
not flame, people would dip handkerchiefs in blood of those executed by the guillotine as a token |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:35 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate proles are sick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890302) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:36 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (cuck thanking the king for making him a slave) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890308) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:38 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate (written unironically by prole goy wagecuck) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890323) |
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Date: September 21st, 2018 11:55 PM Author: appetizing insane roast beef voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#36861196) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:36 PM Author: navy potus You literally believe Jesus was magic, and yet you don't follow his teachings remotely, as demonstrated by this hate filled post. Stunning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890313) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890321) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:38 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater all men are sinners and salvation is by faith alone, not works, Christianity explicitly approves of the death penalty anyway
works and "being good" have absolutely nothing to do with salvation |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:38 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate Christianity is pro regicide? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890327) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:41 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater no but God has used men to depose evil kings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890340) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:43 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate Napoleon was much worse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890350) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:46 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater Napoleon was pretty 180; pretty much ended the vestiges of the middle ages and brought Europe into the modern age (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890384) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:49 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate And the “modern age” includes WWI, WWII and the probable end of white dominance on the continent. Sweet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890407) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:54 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater yeah, napoleon should've finished the job in prussia, what can you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890434) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:10 PM Author: curious misanthropic market because the Thirty Years' War was so much better than those wars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896423) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:41 PM Author: navy potus Sorry bro, when Jesus told you to take the log out of your eye he didn't mean "and if you don't you'll be fine so don't bother". You can't intentionally sin and expect to bring about the kingdom of heaven. This is unbelievable "logic". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890337) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:42 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater 14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin.[c] 15 I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. 17 But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, 23 but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Rom 7 tldr; you can never actually fulfill the law, you're always going to be fighting sin within you |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:46 PM Author: navy potus Yes, you need to work to understand Christ. This doesn't mean "believe in magic and loafe about". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890383) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:50 PM Author: navy potus Date: April 20th, 2018 11:10 PM Author: RCP90
nah, i would've taken great pleasure seeing that bitch Marie Antoinette lose her head and putting those royalist cucks to the sword
---- this is so shockingly unchrist like I'm really not sure how you consider yourself a Christian |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:52 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater marie antoniette let her people starve and lived a life of opulence while the country she was entrusted to run fell to ruins, she totally abdicated her responsibility as queens and was oblivious to the suffering of others, she was objectively a horrible woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890422) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:54 PM Author: navy potus Yes, and Jesus said, when someone does something wrong, hate them forever. Lol Jesus Christ. Literally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890428) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:55 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater i don't even pretend to claim that i act the way i'm supposed to, at the end of the day im going to trust that God can save me despite my bad self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890438) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:01 PM Author: navy potus Who taught you that this is what Christianity is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890461) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:02 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater TULIP bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890470) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:05 PM Author: navy potus My god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890482) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:11 PM Author: curious misanthropic market you Catholic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896427) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:12 PM Author: navy potus No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896429) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:12 PM Author: curious misanthropic market Antinomianism can be an easy temptation for Protestants (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896432) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:15 PM Author: navy potus Romans 6 What then are we to say? Should we continue in sin in order that grace may abound? 2 By no means! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896445) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:16 PM Author: Maize stirring church patrolman Guillotines Now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886218) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:45 PM Author: Amber business firm background story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890635) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 8:56 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890996) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:13 PM Author: razzmatazz school cafeteria idea he suggested OP is right, bunch of jordan peterson reading dipshits ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890509) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:33 PM Author: Sticky Doctorate Thanks for the contribution pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890585) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:49 PM Author: razzmatazz school cafeteria idea he suggested yw my man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890643) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 6:59 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35895943) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 8:53 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890975) |
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Date: September 21st, 2018 11:26 PM Author: marvelous puce volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#36860988) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 11:43 PM Author: seedy theater stage french chef Thread smells like foie gras (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35941957) |
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Date: September 21st, 2018 11:57 PM Author: appetizing insane roast beef voyeur okay, i lol'd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#36861204) |
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Date: June 10th, 2019 2:38 PM Author: beta whorehouse marketing idea cr this was our chance - we had the libs flushed out and in the open and we could've ended it right then & there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#38367976) |