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French Revolution was humans one chance to get it right and we blew it
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:44 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885345) |
Date: April 20th, 2018 8:44 PM Author: gold school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885349) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:45 PM Author: gold school cafeteria wait, what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885352) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:46 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig Could’ve had an actual utopia but banker$ put it down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885359) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:49 PM Author: gold school cafeteria democracy and universal suffrage are the reasons for our sorry decline. we'd be better off under a king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885382) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig Lol at this flame; part of my family is French Protestant and we have one of the bricks from the bastille; 180 thought that one of my ancestors put a monarchists head on a pike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885396) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:45 PM Author: gold school cafeteria you are mentally ill, like all true small-d democrats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885649) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig i voted trump bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885655) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:02 PM Author: Histrionic house you're still a dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885782) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:11 PM Author: Topaz range corn cake TRUMP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890502) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:10 PM Author: passionate cyan address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885826) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:57 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (Literally a traitor in the American Revolution) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885423) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:46 PM Author: Plum Church WE BLEW IT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885357) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:48 PM Author: Coral voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885375) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:58 PM Author: Know-it-all Kitty Library Lol I guess so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885428) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 8:59 PM Author: bateful property cr last best chance to massacre the bourgeoi$ie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885433) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:46 PM Author: scarlet stage the french revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885660) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:47 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig absolute flame; people were living in huts 7 children to a family starving (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885666) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:47 PM Author: scarlet stage sounds like 7 more friends than the average american has (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885671) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig working backbreaking manual labor and dying at 30 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885679) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: scarlet stage sounds like 40 less years of intergalactic retardation than the average american has (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885687) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:43 PM Author: stimulating giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886362) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:37 PM Author: passionate cyan address Now studio apartments with 0 children morbidly obese (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890319) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:48 PM Author: Concupiscible spot (guy hanging revolutionary french calendar in his kitchen) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885676) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig nah; i believe in God, but the roman church is absolutely decadent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885684) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: Concupiscible spot just do Cult of the Supreme Being? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885691) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:00 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig pretty hard to argue Christ didn't rise from the dead as a historical event; that doesn't mean he wanted pope frank saying atheists go to heaven; roman church consistently sells itself in order to be palatable to the world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885767) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: Concupiscible spot lol protestantism is even worse about that tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885771) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:05 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig yes and no, there are conservative protestants (im one) that are generally ostracized by the mainline
if youre going to argue one church is the "historical church" you and i both know its the orthodox |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:01 PM Author: scarlet stage lol wut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885777) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:04 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig the historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth rose from the dead is as strong, and in some cases stronger, than any other documented event from that same time period
the only reason you cant believe is because youre going to say people can never rise from the dead so it is made up |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:07 PM Author: scarlet stage your brain is broken, friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885806) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:12 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig earliest account of the life of caesar - 150 yrs
earliest account of Jesus - 40 yrs |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:13 PM Author: scarlet stage your brain. is broken. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885844) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:25 PM Author: Marvelous senate ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886270) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:26 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig the earliest biography (not reference) of Caesar's life is roughly 150 A.D. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886273) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:30 PM Author: scarlet stage And in your mind the stories of Jesus were assuredly also "biographical" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886286) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:38 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig they arent biographies in the sense that they purport to give an objective factual description of a person's life like today; but literally no biography from the ancient world is like that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886336) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:39 PM Author: scarlet stage Right but it is in the critical, how should I say, magic bits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886343) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:43 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig i dont get what youre getting at; you either believe miracles can happen or they can't; and miracles are actually pretty rare in the old and new testament outside of a few very contained time periods (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886365) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:47 PM Author: scarlet stage What I'm getting at is that old pieces of paper you're claiming constitute a biography are not good evidence that someone came back to life after 3 days of being det for the first and only time in history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886374) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:28 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (Ignorant dude claiming there is only one person resurrected in the entire Bible)
Jesus is the only man, who by his own power, resurrected. Although I think scholarly Godmos debate whether the Father raised the Son or if the Son rose by his own power; I tend to think the whole Trinity was involved |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:34 PM Author: scarlet stage So all the magic in the history of the world was concentrated around 2000 years ago, and that more stories of magic on esoteric sheets of papyrus makes the existence of that magic more likely. That people that otherwise function in the regular world can believe in magical stories for no otherwise acceptance reason is absolutely stunning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890295) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig miracles are concentrated around the time Jesus was physically on earth; they're relatively rare elsewhere in the Bible, you sound like you've never read any book of the Bible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890318) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:39 PM Author: scarlet stage Youre saying that reading the bible more (ive been reading a lot) will provide more evidence of Jesus the magician. The bible is not evidence of magic. Why don't you understand that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890328) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:40 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (not a lawyer)
the bible is evidence, you're just arguing its not credible because you are saying a priori miracles cannot happen, therefore anything with miracles is made up |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:43 PM Author: scarlet stage I don't support Richard Dawkins, but this is dangerous thinking, especially when your commitment to the existence of magic far outpaces your interest in living morally, even as the very document your profess faith in compels. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890351) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:45 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig the Bible tells me both to live morally and that it is impossible to perfectly be moral, thus the need for a savior, if you could be a moral person on your own there is literally no reason for the Crucifixion
the problem was when the roman church complicated everything |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:48 PM Author: scarlet stage You are still interpreting the bible as literal/objective mythology. If you think the bible gives you permission to intentionally sin, I don't have much else to say here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890398) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:50 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig it doesn't give permission, it actually says dont sin or die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890414) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:38 PM Author: umber travel guidebook Do you mean Augustus? Because we have Julius’ history of the Gallic war (as well as other stuff). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890325) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:39 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig pretty sure those aren't from his time? i thought earliest copies of gallic wars are from like 800 a.d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890332) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:47 PM Author: umber travel guidebook You mean like oldest copies of stuff (as opposed to when it was first written down)? Didn’t understand what you were getting at there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890397) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:49 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig yeah exactly, the oldest extant copy
nt - roughly 30-50 yrs out depending on book/letter (revelation is the outlier, i think the oldest copy is 100 yrs out) large # of copies
gallic wars- 500+ years
biographies of caesar -150+ yrs after death fairly small # of copies |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:01 PM Author: umber travel guidebook Got you. But weren’t the gospels all written down 30-40 years after Jesus’ death anyway (vs Caeser writing his own memoirs). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890463) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:26 PM Author: scarlet stage That's the claim, but the oldest papyrus of the epistles of Paul are from 350 ad, and Paul was not an eye witness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35891153) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 6:59 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig oldest complete set is from 350
there are many individual copies 30-60 years out
paul was not an eyewitness but spoke with eyewitnesses
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:35 PM Author: scarlet stage You will still have a lot of trouble establishing the physical resurrection as historical fact, provided historians have found much of the gospel narratives, including major events, are embellishment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896554) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 11:05 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig parts are, but the resurrection is always described as literal and historical, never figurative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35941677) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 11:27 PM Author: scarlet stage Begs the question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35941820) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:59 PM Author: vengeful yarmulke Nigga what?
pretty hard to argue Christ didn't rise from the dead as a historical event; |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: odious talking kitchen background story Les Deplorables
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEiTKloMgBg |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: maroon french parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885683) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 10:11 PM Author: passionate cyan address Actual we had it right until the French Revolution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35885830) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:10 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig nah, i would've taken great pleasure seeing that bitch Marie Antoinette lose her head and putting those royalist cucks to the sword
not flame, people would dip handkerchiefs in blood of those executed by the guillotine as a token |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:35 PM Author: passionate cyan address proles are sick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890302) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:36 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (cuck thanking the king for making him a slave) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890308) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:38 PM Author: passionate cyan address (written unironically by prole goy wagecuck) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890323) |
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Date: September 21st, 2018 11:55 PM Author: salmon mind-boggling affirmative action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#36861196) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:36 PM Author: scarlet stage You literally believe Jesus was magic, and yet you don't follow his teachings remotely, as demonstrated by this hate filled post. Stunning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890313) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:37 PM Author: passionate cyan address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890321) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:38 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig all men are sinners and salvation is by faith alone, not works, Christianity explicitly approves of the death penalty anyway
works and "being good" have absolutely nothing to do with salvation |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:38 PM Author: passionate cyan address Christianity is pro regicide? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890327) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:41 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig no but God has used men to depose evil kings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890340) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:43 PM Author: passionate cyan address Napoleon was much worse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890350) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:46 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig Napoleon was pretty 180; pretty much ended the vestiges of the middle ages and brought Europe into the modern age (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890384) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:49 PM Author: passionate cyan address And the “modern age” includes WWI, WWII and the probable end of white dominance on the continent. Sweet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890407) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:54 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig yeah, napoleon should've finished the job in prussia, what can you do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890434) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:10 PM Author: 180 multi-billionaire because the Thirty Years' War was so much better than those wars (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896423) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:41 PM Author: scarlet stage Sorry bro, when Jesus told you to take the log out of your eye he didn't mean "and if you don't you'll be fine so don't bother". You can't intentionally sin and expect to bring about the kingdom of heaven. This is unbelievable "logic". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890337) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:42 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig 14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin.[c] 15 I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. 17 But in fact it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do what is good, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, 23 but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!
Rom 7 tldr; you can never actually fulfill the law, you're always going to be fighting sin within you |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:46 PM Author: scarlet stage Yes, you need to work to understand Christ. This doesn't mean "believe in magic and loafe about". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890383) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:50 PM Author: scarlet stage Date: April 20th, 2018 11:10 PM Author: RCP90
nah, i would've taken great pleasure seeing that bitch Marie Antoinette lose her head and putting those royalist cucks to the sword
---- this is so shockingly unchrist like I'm really not sure how you consider yourself a Christian |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:52 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig marie antoniette let her people starve and lived a life of opulence while the country she was entrusted to run fell to ruins, she totally abdicated her responsibility as queens and was oblivious to the suffering of others, she was objectively a horrible woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890422) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:54 PM Author: scarlet stage Yes, and Jesus said, when someone does something wrong, hate them forever. Lol Jesus Christ. Literally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890428) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 6:55 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig i don't even pretend to claim that i act the way i'm supposed to, at the end of the day im going to trust that God can save me despite my bad self (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890438) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:01 PM Author: scarlet stage Who taught you that this is what Christianity is? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890461) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:02 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig TULIP bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890470) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:05 PM Author: scarlet stage My god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890482) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:11 PM Author: 180 multi-billionaire you Catholic? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896427) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:12 PM Author: scarlet stage No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896429) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:12 PM Author: 180 multi-billionaire Antinomianism can be an easy temptation for Protestants (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896432) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 8:15 PM Author: scarlet stage Romans 6 What then are we to say? Should we continue in sin in order that grace may abound? 2 By no means! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35896445) |
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Date: April 20th, 2018 11:16 PM Author: Vibrant Carmine Hairy Legs Guillotines Now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35886218) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:45 PM Author: Coral voyeur (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890635) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 8:56 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890996) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:13 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Bonkers Doctorate OP is right, bunch of jordan peterson reading dipshits ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890509) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:33 PM Author: passionate cyan address Thanks for the contribution pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890585) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 7:49 PM Author: Mentally Impaired Bonkers Doctorate yw my man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890643) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2018 6:59 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35895943) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 8:53 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35890975) |
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Date: September 21st, 2018 11:26 PM Author: Outnumbered garrison filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#36860988) |
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Date: April 28th, 2018 11:43 PM Author: dun dashing rehab double fault Thread smells like foie gras (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#35941957) |
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Date: September 21st, 2018 11:57 PM Author: salmon mind-boggling affirmative action okay, i lol'd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#36861204) |
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Date: June 10th, 2019 2:38 PM Author: bateful property cr this was our chance - we had the libs flushed out and in the open and we could've ended it right then & there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955326&forum_id=2#38367976) |