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Pretty cool god knew birth control would turn women into pigs, said "no!"
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:37 AM Author: supple puppy Also, condoms suck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887514) |
Date: April 21st, 2018 9:37 AM Author: Black international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887517) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:51 AM Author: snowy cerebral native you are only demonstrating my hypothesis outlined here about a year ago that boart antiabortionmos basically discount women's rights when they try to articulate their reasoning on the subject. its just so much easier to scream "It's murder!" instead of wrestling w the nuances. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887557) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:51 AM Author: Black international law enforcement agency yes lol we discount women's right to kill her child, shame on us (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887561) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:52 AM Author: snowy cerebral native there you go. my point made. you cant think clearly on the subject. you even have to resort to hyperbole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887564) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:54 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king Oh, the nuances of hiring a doctor to cut up & kill your unborn child.
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:57 AM Author: snowy cerebral native yep, here we go. more of th same. this time w intentionally incendiary pictures! its an "argument" of self righteous misogyny at the end of the day, covered over by the pleasure of saying "No it's MURDER!!" |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:59 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king And... this is the defense of abortion. A simple picture of a 26 week old unborn child is incendiary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887590) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:00 AM Author: snowy cerebral native nope. not the defense. it doesnt really need a defense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887598) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:00 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king I know. It's HER right, which cannot be questioned. I get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887601) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:02 AM Author: snowy cerebral native no. see you dont even understand it.
or you do and you have to resort to hyperbole.
ridiculous |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:32 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king I understand. Abortion is a cornerstone of modern liberalism, which elevates the equality of the sexes to religious dogma. The sexes cannot be equal if a woman can be taken out of the workforce or removed from the life of her choosing by virtue of an unplanned pregnancy. Women cannot function on the same plane as men socially, academically, economically, sexually, or in any other way if they can be saddled with pregnancy and the resulting child. Without abortion, women are constrained by their own biology to a secondary role in society.
There's a bootleggers & baptists aspect to abortion, being that elevating women to the same status of men in the workforce created a massive depression of wages; however at the same time women's rights groups wanted equal opportunity as men. One goal may be nefarious but the other is objectively virtuous. In any regard, there are powerful forces in our society that are extremely interested in legal abortion.
The problem that abortion advocates have is that, at least past the first few weeks, it is objectively murder, on par with exposure or infanticide. The murder aspect of it is simply ignored totally because of the importance of abortion in modern liberalism. This is why advocates don't oppose bills that require abortion victims that are born alive to be given medical attention, or why Fienstein stated that she would support abortion even after the child is born but before the child went home.
The tricky part is the spinning that abortion advocates have to do to gloss over the fact that it is murder of a human being. I fully understand why they do it, I fully understand the importance of abortion to women's equality. The mental gymnastics required to see the "nuances" in abortion procedure are impressive. Back in the day, the argument was that it was a blob of cells, which of course the widespread use of ultrasounds put to bed. Now, it's just spinning.
I understand that it is straight up killing a person. There is a human life, a person that is alive, and another person kills it.
I might have more sympathy if the argument was that it is killing a person, but that killing is justified just like so much other killing is justified (euthanasia, war, death penalty, etc.). That argument is at least honest.
When I'm confronted with the argument that it's not the killing of a person, I assume that the person making this argument is intentionally deluded about the reality of what abortion is because of the importance of abortion in today's society. It's a strikingly similar argument that was made in this country about another issue in the 1850's & 1860's. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:48 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king Spaceporn, I'm bumping this motherfucker until you respond. You've been on fire this morning and now it seems you've got better things do to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887807) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:55 AM Author: snowy cerebral native i responded! in another thread because you linked to this.
I'll repoast
Here:
"I might have more sympathy if the argument was that it is killing a person, but that killing is justified just like so much other killing is justified (euthanasia, war, death penalty, etc.). That argument is at least honest."
But I think this IS more or less the reasoned position on abortion among thinking adults though. The only thing i would add is that "PERSONHOOD" is probably not going to be an all-or-nothing assignment here. If we agree that Hiroshima was ultimately the right thing to do, then civilians killed in hiroshima were certainly PERSONS, but they were PERSONS afforded less consideration than otherwise because they were Japs.
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:01 AM Author: snowy cerebral native i note also cheap wine bro tht you say "killing" in the passage i basically affirm, not "murder" --perhaps some of your cohorts can see a difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887863) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:03 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king https://quipvid.com/watch/ubbVVKVN (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887876) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:09 AM Author: snowy cerebral native lol but im not the words affect how the think is thought (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887903) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:04 AM Author: Nighttime frisky stage feces Your line of arguments makes me more uncertain about where I am. You’re right it’s not enough to say “it’s murder.” We accept murder in a bunch of different contexts, so anti abortionmos have to argue something more to show their point. I’d never thought of that (but tbf I don’t think about abortion hardly ever). Ty for the post it was much better than some of the dumber shit I’ve read from you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887881) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:11 AM Author: abusive razzmatazz wrinkle lettuce But that's not the argument pro-choice people make.
You are only acknowledging it here because he brutally corned you down. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:16 AM Author: Nighttime frisky stage feces You have to read the best argument of the other side, dude. I can find a bunch of dumb arguments for both the pro choice and the pro life position
Edit: in fact spaceporn explicitly acknowledges it as the opinion he considers it the strongest, not the position most popular with pro choice advocates |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:17 AM Author: snowy cerebral native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887952) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:26 AM Author: abusive razzmatazz wrinkle lettuce The abortion debate in this country would be much different if they made that argument. They explicitly argue it's not murder. Probably 2% of people would actually agree with SP here.
Your post is dumb. This discussion isn't comparable to bringing up some dumb pro-life argument. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:38 AM Author: Nighttime frisky stage feces Your debate is with spaceporn rn, not the other 98%
Vent your frustrations with the majority somewhere else dude you argue like a dumb woman |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:52 AM Author: abusive razzmatazz wrinkle lettuce You don't understand our argument you dumb fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35888166) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 12:00 PM Author: Nighttime frisky stage feces You literally wrote: “The abortion debate in this country would be much different if they made that argument. They explicitly argue it's not murder. Probably 2% of people would actually agree with SP here.”
The above comment has no place in this sub thread, because SP explicitly acknowledged that his argument is the strongest one, not the most popular one. Also: my comment about you being dumb was due to your writing the quote above, not to your argument about the merits of abortion. I don’t need to understand your argument about abortion to know that writing the above quote in this sub thread is dumb af. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:52 AM Author: supple puppy That's what I was thinking too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887820) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:56 AM Author: snowy cerebral native "I might have more sympathy if the argument was that it is killing a person, but that killing is justified just like so much other killing is justified (euthanasia, war, death penalty, etc.). That argument is at least honest." But I think this IS more or less the reasoned position on abortion among thinking adults though. The only thing i would add is that "PERSONHOOD" is probably not going to be an all-or-nothing assignment here. If we agree that Hiroshima was ultimately the right thing to do, then civilians killed in hiroshima were certainly PERSONS, but they were PERSONS afforded less consideration than otherwise because they were Japs.
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:12 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king Date: April 21st, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Muscadine wine
And that's the trap. 1. You can't acknowledge that it's the killing of a person because it cannot be supported politically or maybe legally if you do so.
2. Linking unborn babies to people killed in war is no bueno. Hiroshima was necessary to bring the end to an awful war and the bombing was made as part of the war effort, what comparable necessity exists for killing un-offending unborn babies. Also, there is debate about the morality of it (I think it is fine, but I acknowledge the argument that it was not - area bombing by the allies in WWII is one of those topics that the morality of it is not often discussed).
3. ""PERSONHOOD" is probably not going to be an all-or-nothing assignment here." (Justice Roger Taney)
4. It's the killing of a person but justified is NOT the argument in favor of legal abortion. Ever. It's always mushmouth about women's rights, patriarchy, or other empty bullshit.
5. Most thinking people think that the extra-judicial killing of a child is morally disgusting. Hell, most thinking people think that the judicial killing of convicted felon adults is morally disgusting.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887855) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:20 AM Author: snowy cerebral native yeah yr all over here, and back to a lot of the jumbled pseudo reasoning that mars your poasts generally. I already extracted your best point above. as for Taney, i thought you might say that but there is an expediency and a nuanced valuation in all things in this world. even taney articulated something that the conditions of the time required. note i do not equate slavery w abortions by any stretch and am not interested in going further down this road. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887967) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:55 AM Author: Claret stubborn newt this is truly it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887834) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:56 AM Author: snowy cerebral native "I might have more sympathy if the argument was that it is killing a person, but that killing is justified just like so much other killing is justified (euthanasia, war, death penalty, etc.). That argument is at least honest." But I think this IS more or less the reasoned position on abortion among thinking adults though. The only thing i would add is that "PERSONHOOD" is probably not going to be an all-or-nothing assignment here. If we agree that Hiroshima was ultimately the right thing to do, then civilians killed in hiroshima were certainly PERSONS, but they were PERSONS afforded less consideration than otherwise because they were Japs.
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:00 AM Author: Claret stubborn newt not sure what your point is here. this is what we all agree is correct. Japs in Hiroshima were people, we killed them, but it had to be done because our American lives were more valuable.
So yeah - some peoples' lives are more valuable than others. Unborn lives are just not valuable.
You can also use this argument for many other things... tee hee. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:02 AM Author: snowy cerebral native Good Boy!
You've nailed the nuance! finally! a presumed antiabortmo acknowledges nuance to the issue! My work here is done! |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:08 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king So we're straight.
Killing people under certain circumstances is morally acceptable and legal. I agee.
Killing 100,000 civilians by atomic bomb was morally acceptable and legal under the circumstances that we were at the end of WWII (i.e.most devastating war in human history, against a foe that intended to kill millions if Japan was invaded) . I agree.
Killing unborn babies is morally acceptable and legal because they are basically the same as Japanese civilians during WWII. NOPE |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:12 AM Author: abusive razzmatazz wrinkle lettuce SP is being ridiculously dishonest. Liberals don't make the argument he is now making. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887919) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:14 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king Yea. I'll hold my breath for the Planned Parenthood amicus brief acknowledging that abortion is the killing of an unborn child but that it's justified. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887929) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:21 AM Author: snowy cerebral native "Killing unborn babies is morally acceptable and legal because they are basically the same as Japanese civilians during WWII. NOPE"
Who said this? not i.
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:13 AM Author: Black international law enforcement agency Lmao so you agree fetuses are human beings and it's okay to kill them for the sake of convenience/because they are black or poor? The lib mind, folks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887926) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:16 AM Author: supple puppy Bingo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887946) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:23 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887986) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:26 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35888001) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:22 AM Author: snowy cerebral native "or the sake of convenience/because they are black or poor? The lib mind, folks" Get back to me when yove grown up a bit |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:26 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king Enlighten us, then.
Abortion is the killing of a person but is justified morally and legally because: ________________________ |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:28 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35888016) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:32 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35888047) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:41 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35888102) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:48 AM Author: arousing cerise philosopher-king I feel like I'm losing out on an opportunity to learn to be a staunch defender of abortion rights, if only I could be educated on the issue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35888141) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 12:41 PM Author: snowy cerebral native Haven't you already identified why? And again, there are gradations of person particularly when we speak of "Future" or conditional persons.
Edit. Its a tough truth but we apply the same tough truth in other situations where we sanction killing. Its unrealistc self.righteous christard nonsense to refuse to understand this when it comes to babies but not civilians in wars we choose to.engage in, or in the subtle sorts of whispery and regretful euthenasia we do w the terminally ill as a matter of sad routine. Or those who have been convicted of certain crimes, even though courts can err in their convictions |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 3:26 PM Author: Black international law enforcement agency Youre not attempting to draw any parallel between groups that are easily distinguished, or between actions that are also easily distinguished (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35889426) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:00 AM Author: Black international law enforcement agency have you considered making an argument about WHY women should have an unencumbered right to decide who lives and who dies
hard to argue the opposite position is invidious toward women when most aborted babies are women |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:02 AM Author: snowy cerebral native no one says they have an "unencumbered right"
See, you cant reason on the subject without resorting to hyperbole. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:55 AM Author: Black international law enforcement agency *sucks your brain out with vaccuum* "you can't think clearly on the subject!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887575) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:58 AM Author: snowy cerebral native total nonsense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887587) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:52 AM Author: dull stimulating place of business disaster piled on disaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887563) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 9:57 AM Author: rusted zombie-like menage round eye Such slobs! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887584) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:34 AM Author: bright motley regret hominid How do you propose people fuck without condoms (they suck and everyone hates them) and birth control? You just want a bunch of buckwild babies filling the place up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887739) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Claret stubborn newt how about something called self-restraint?
we are not meant to be having sex with anything and everything - it fucks up our brains |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:02 AM Author: slap-happy trailer park knife how about a moral society? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887865) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:03 AM Author: amber naked state faggot firefighter xo posters don't need to worry about this so they want to fuck it up for the rest of us
It's funny that this is always posed as a "woman's" right. most men I know like to have sex without potentially being on the hook for eighteen years each and every time they have sex. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:04 AM Author: snowy cerebral native lol im laughing my ass off here fuck thats a good one.
EDIT: and then you ruined it by getting sort of naggy and humorless about it |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:13 AM Author: supple puppy What kind of birth control do you use? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887922) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:21 AM Author: Black international law enforcement agency Holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35887971) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:02 PM Author: Self-centered Dilemma in fact he never said anything of the sort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&forum_id=2#35891360) |