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antiabortmos, youve had a LONG time to come up w better arguments
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:09 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs and all youve got is your own conclusion that "It's MURDER!" and some pictures.
Letting people who have terminal cancer have all the morphine they want is your sort of "MURDER" too, dimwits.
Engaging in a war where innocent people are gonna die as civilian casualties is your sort of "MURDER" too, dimwits |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:36 AM Author: Red parlor http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955656&mc=19&forum_id=2#35887729 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887749) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:52 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs "I might have more sympathy if the argument was that it is killing a person, but that killing is justified just like so much other killing is justified (euthanasia, war, death penalty, etc.). That argument is at least honest."
But I think this IS more or less the reasoned position on abortion among thinking adults though. The only thing i would add is that "PERSONHOOD" is probably not going to be an all-or-nothing assignment here. If we agree that Hiroshima was ultimately the right thing to do, then civilians killed in hiroshima were certainly PERSONS, but they were PERSONS afforded less consideration than otherwise because they were Japs. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:55 AM Author: Galvanic faggot firefighter I do not agree that Hiroshima was the right thing to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887839) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:57 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs well wihtout saying mroe that's just sort of a tangential comment that doesnt address the point of the prior post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887851) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Red parlor And that's the trap.
1. You can't acknowledge that it's the killing of a person because it cannot be supported politically or maybe legally if you do so.
2. Linking unborn babies to people killed in war is no bueno. Hiroshima was necessary to bring the end to an awful war and the bombing was made as part of the war effort, what comparable necessity exists for killing un-offending unborn babies. Also, there is debate about the morality of it (I think it is fine, but I acknowledge the argument that it was not - area bombing by the allies in WWII is one of those topics that the morality of it is not often discussed).
3. ""PERSONHOOD" is probably not going to be an all-or-nothing assignment here." (Justice Roger Taney)
4. It's the killing of a person but justified is NOT the argument in favor of legal abortion. Ever. It's always mushmouth about women's rights, patriarchy, or other empty bullshit.
5. Most thinking people think that the extra-judicial killing of a child is morally disgusting. Hell, most thinking people think that the judicial killing of convicted felon adults is morally disgusting. |
Date: April 21st, 2018 10:11 AM Author: Medicated Corn Cake all three of your points are correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887638) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:12 AM Author: insane bbw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887642) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:13 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs if your an antiabortmo come back when you've grown up a bit.
Look at my last example carefully. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:13 AM Author: bat shit crazy set dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887645) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:16 AM Author: Floppy Cyan Sneaky Criminal Piazza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887663) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:15 AM Author: Aromatic magical scourge upon the earth french chef a little early to be waking and baking spaceporn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887656) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:16 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs Im thinking Clear As Fuck nao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887661) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:20 AM Author: razzle locus Do you think planned parenthood should get government funding? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887682) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:22 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs of course.
here's one reason, quite straightforward: I dont want a bunch more dependents on the fucking dole, breaking into my car, etc, crying "Imma single mom" and "Darnell good keed".
A second reason is the principle that people should have some measured autonomy over their own bodies. NOTE THE FUCKING MODIFIERS HERE. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:33 AM Author: aggressive rehab You seem retarded. LSAT score? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887735) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:34 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs so, you have no comment or response to my points? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887741) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:34 AM Author: aggressive rehab You didn't make any points. The fact that you think you did makes me question your intelligence. LSAT score? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887745) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:40 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs i made two points.
Point one--i dont want more welfare dependent single mothers and i dont want more poorly raised buckwilds committing crimes.
Point two: bodily integrity of women is something that on balance and in balance needs to be protected.
those are my two points. do i need to say them again before you will respond substantively without making a strawman of my arguments? |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:51 AM Author: aggressive rehab LOL dumbass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887819) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:53 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs sure. IM the dumbass. so no response from you then. you were waiting for someone to bail you out and no one did? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887828) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:57 AM Author: tantric voyeur space He's righ
you seem stupid |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:23 AM Author: aphrodisiac territorial karate stage you're just a clump of cells, why is it any more wrong to abort you than a fetus? The only bright line in this debate w/r/t beginning of life is when cellular division starts, i.e. at conception. Anywhere else is a "where do we draw the line" jew debate, which is why soon we'll be debating 3rd trimester or even post-birth abortion if (((they))) get their way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887696) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:26 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs well, we'll see about that.
the argument that seems to work for now is that up to a certain point the fetus is not able to live on its own without medical care and maintenance. and there's a point where it would be able to live on its own if it received additional care for a while.
It will be interesting when we reach a point in technological progress where the fetus can be raised from a clump of cells in an artificial uterus. but i suspect at that point christers will be less of a nuisance than now anyway. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:34 AM Author: aphrodisiac territorial karate stage It's got nothing to do with Christianity other than the fact that at the time this was being debated, the most prominent intellectuals were Christians. This is one of the few times that Christian morality lines up with what I'll cal.
Even with your argument that a fetus is unable to live on its own without medical care and maintenance, that applies to children under probably 10-12 years old! They can't cook for themselves, change their own diapers, etc.
What also of those on life support after an accident or disease, are they also undeserving of life since they can't sustain themselves? |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Sable spectacular hairy legs i didnt make the argument, friend. i pointed out that so-called "viability" IS a rationale for line drawing at present. it certainly is not perfect, but where and how to draw the line is a different question from should a line be drawn somewhere. Profound stuff. i hope you can follow.
and yes, its mostly christers of various ilk who are antiabortmos at present. also, i imagine there's a fair group of atheist incels who feel the same way, for reason ive already elucidated. |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:42 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle location round eye LSAT score? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887776) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:51 AM Author: aphrodisiac territorial karate stage n/a (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887818) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:48 AM Author: Anal tattoo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887806) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 10:58 AM Author: tantric voyeur space because there are no good arguments against abortion that aren't emotion-driven and as you said, backed up by pictures of mangled fetuses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887852) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:00 AM Author: razzle locus aiyo lemme get five dolla (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887860) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 11:02 AM Author: heady tan national background story Agreed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3955672&forum_id=2#35887872) |