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There are so many rich-by-real estate fucks in NYC
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:05 AM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi Like this one family I know started buying townhouses off of CPW in the late 70s/early 80s for 200-400k a pop. Now, admittedly that wasn't very cheap back then, but they have 9 of them now and each is worth about 10-15 million dollars. Others who even owned small homes in neighborhoods like Forest Hills or Fresh Meadows who bought homes at normal middle class prices now sit on 3 bed, 2 bath, 1500 sq ft homes that go for over a million bucks. Crazy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35899635) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:51 PM Author: Aquamarine dog poop indian lodge Just ran the numbers. If they bought nine townhouses at 300k apiece 40 years ago, that would be about 9% annual appreciation. Granted they could make money from renting them out along the way, but rental yields are usually pretty low in NYC. Not much better than the stock market, if at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900639) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:57 PM Author: supple boltzmann pit But what about rental income after debt is paid off? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900692) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Aquamarine dog poop indian lodge No doubt that it's great to have. But let's say the properties are increasing at 9% per year. Cap rates in NY are so low that rent will only add a couple of percent to that figure. So maybe the total return is 12%. Comparable to what you could get in the stock market, with a lot more liquidity and arguably a lot less risk. Certainly you could spread your funds out over hundreds or thousands of stocks as opposed to nine buildings in the same neighborhood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900734) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:25 PM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi But if they liquidated their holdings they have 80-90 million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35901656) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:44 PM Author: Aquamarine dog poop indian lodge Are you saying that's a bad thing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903352) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:59 PM Author: impertinent public bath of course it is. they should not have that much money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35905986) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:59 PM Author: smoky impressive nursing home hissy fit right. the real accidental millionaires are the ones who bought residential property to live in without giving price appreciation a thought and who also would have never put that money into the stock market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900725) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 6:19 PM Author: lascivious milky kitchen mad-dog skullcap Your "model" here all depends on their leverage and how they financed. If they bought 9 townhouses and only put down 500k and had shitloads of low/good interest to deduct, then they made considerably more than 9% returns. Somebody who snatched up CPW townhouses in the late 70s probably got shit interest rates, but I would assume they refinanced their balls off all through the 80s/90s/00s, so they may still owe a couple million, but have like 100M of new equity off of a tiny nut. And all their places are basically instarents to the lowest risk tenants on the planet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903608) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 10:13 PM Author: Aquamarine dog poop indian lodge Maybe. Or maybe they paid cash for the properties. Regardless, they could have bought stocks on margin if they wanted to juice their returns. Granted that's risky too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35905142) |
Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:11 AM Author: supple boltzmann pit I made a thread about this once.
Imagine if your grandfather bought some pre-war 20 unit walkup building when NYC was a dump and property was cheap. If your family kept the building and operated it, and assuming you had no debt on it any more, that one building would generate like $450-500k per year in net income after expenses. Now imagine a family that had 2 or 3 of these buildings. There must be a bunch of families like this out there. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:13 AM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi 2 or 3? lol
There's more with 10, 20 or 50. There's a ton of little RE corps all over the fucking city generating millions upon millions passively for people who simply invested when the city was a bankrupt Sodom on the Hudson. Well, score one for foresight. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:57 AM Author: supple boltzmann pit You could hire a couple property managers and maintenance dudes and just kick back and enjoy your nearly passive income. Blows my mind that some people have this level of inter-generational passive income. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900103) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:58 AM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi Supers, property managers, a guy to do ordering of supplies, a person to schedule maintenance, an accountant and a few lawyers for taxes/violations. All this can be done for chump change compared to the $ you bring in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900134) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:32 PM Author: Blathering mood But a job in MFH is GOOD FOR YOUR CAREER. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903269) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:12 AM Author: Comical Theater Background Story buy now before they're 12 million (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35899670) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:15 AM Author: Misanthropic sick piazza sandwich My parents bought a duplex in Brooklyn for $270k in 1988. Its worth like $1.2 million now. My mom lives in a rent regulated apartment where her rent is $890 a month. She lives off the rent and does nothing but plan new trips which she takes every 3 months. 180 life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35899680) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi There are so many people like this. Heaven shines upon them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35899694) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:54 AM Author: supple boltzmann pit What is the net profit on the duplex every year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900072) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:07 PM Author: Misanthropic sick piazza sandwich Like 50k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900799) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:59 PM Author: Crawly Contagious Coffee Pot That isn't a good return over 30 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900716) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:10 PM Author: Aquamarine dog poop indian lodge Tcr. It's a 5% annual return, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900821) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:17 AM Author: mildly autistic wonderful temple This Armenian cat I know who was growing up in Brooklyn in the eighties was saying that people were getting brownstones there for 10, 20, 30k - all the Hasids bought tons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35899689) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:18 AM Author: Misanthropic sick piazza sandwich Not quite that cheap but yeah all the Hassids made millions off that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35899698) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM Author: mildly autistic wonderful temple crazy man.
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:19 AM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi Tis true, tis true. Shmuel & Co happily own Williamsburg now, one of the hottest nabes in nyc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35899700) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:57 AM Author: Pungent cuckoldry institution These people exist everywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900118) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:59 AM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi Not to the extent they are present in NYC. NYC turned almost an entire generation of city dwellers from paupers into varying degrees of millionaire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900139) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:38 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal magenta university turdskin (Guy who hasn’t seen Rent yet) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900519) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi They should rename that musical Rent Control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900529) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 12:41 PM Author: heady place of business could we do this in Chicago? Chicago real estate is nowhere near coastal prices and the city is a real powerbottom at the moment due to pensions. But people still want to live there and it doesn't have Detroit's single-industry concentration problem. Seems like it could pwn in a couple decades (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900545) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 1:00 PM Author: Crawly Contagious Coffee Pot It isn't restricted land restricted like Manhattan is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35900736) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 6:01 PM Author: alcoholic disrespectful gunner trailer park Too many alternative suburbs in Chicagoland (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903489) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:31 PM Author: Fluffy puce stock car kitty cat My folks bought two apartments in the late 80s, for 80,000 each. They're going for about 400,000 each now.
My dad wanted to buy a house for 300,000 in the early 00s, but got pressured out of it by other members of our family. It sold for 1.7 million, and the devil knows how much it's worth right now. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 4:22 PM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi 400k? Surely can't be in Manhattan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35902794) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:55 PM Author: thriller clown house sounds like a CUCK! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903439) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:37 PM Author: aromatic ungodly plaza marketing idea LJL my apt would sell for more than 2x what I paid for it less than a decade ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903299) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:48 PM Author: greedy motley crackhouse Wouldn’t you have to give the profit to daddy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903372) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:50 PM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903399) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:53 PM Author: aromatic ungodly plaza marketing idea ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903421) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:54 PM Author: greedy motley crackhouse You paid for the apartment with daddy’s money so I assume he would get the profit from a sale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903433) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:57 PM Author: aromatic ungodly plaza marketing idea Seems you are poorly informed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903462) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:54 PM Author: thriller clown house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903432) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:57 PM Author: aromatic ungodly plaza marketing idea Just a couple hundred thousand more trucker dicks and maybe you can buy a sad studio! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903457) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 6:27 PM Author: stubborn nubile preventive strike That’s why rent control doesn’t bother me so much. If those people bought the apartment they were living in they would have made a lot more money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35903661) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 11:57 PM Author: Soggy Vigorous Fanboi This is an interesting point, but the people living in them never intended to rent-to-own, these were definitely subsistence level renters whose rent is now frozen at a rate that is maybe like 10-20 percent of "market value". Additionally I've met many rent control people and they are the SCUM of the earth no one would miss. Not all, but a LOT of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35905971) |
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Date: April 24th, 2018 1:43 AM Author: Irate puppy lol, you should visit California (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957215&forum_id=2#35906531) |