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the colloqualism "has-been" should really be "had-been"

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Costumed bistre forum
  04/23/18
colloquialism*
Costumed bistre forum
  04/23/18
Then how are we to refer to deceased has-beens?
Insane pink space
  04/23/18
Still technically a had-been, but with the additional dimens...
Costumed bistre forum
  04/23/18
Current losers are has-beens. A current “had-been” might wel...
Insane pink space
  04/23/18
"Had" signals that a state of being has certainly ...
Costumed bistre forum
  04/23/18
The in-the-past part is covered by the unchanging "been...
Insane pink space
  04/23/18
Agree. I'm just into grammar these days.
Costumed bistre forum
  04/23/18
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charcoal queen of the night
  04/23/18


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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: Costumed bistre forum



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Costumed bistre forum

colloquialism*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957492&forum_id=2#35901686)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:39 PM
Author: Insane pink space

Then how are we to refer to deceased has-beens?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957492&forum_id=2#35901769)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 3:49 PM
Author: Costumed bistre forum

Still technically a had-been, but with the additional dimension of having ceased to be alive. But if you really want to distinguish the living from the dead, then I'd go with "the late had-been."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957492&forum_id=2#35902474)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 5:00 PM
Author: Insane pink space

Current losers are has-beens. A current “had-been” might well have circled back around to being once more. “Had-been” says nothing about his current state of being (or Dasein).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957492&forum_id=2#35903071)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 7:13 PM
Author: Costumed bistre forum

"Had" signals that a state of being has certainly ended ("He had been one of the best hitters on the team"). "Has" signals that the state of being occurred in the past and may or may not be continuing ("He has been one of the best hitters on the team"), so it's "has been" that is ambiguous to the current state of being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957492&forum_id=2#35903887)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: Insane pink space

The in-the-past part is covered by the unchanging "been".

Nah I'm just trolling. I do think "has-been" sounds better, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957492&forum_id=2#35904430)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 8:32 PM
Author: Costumed bistre forum

Agree. I'm just into grammar these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3957492&forum_id=2#35904458)



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Date: April 23rd, 2018 2:40 PM
Author: charcoal queen of the night



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