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So biglaw guarantees a 30 year old $350,000 year and it's bad?

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Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
Flexible work. Lots of firms let you do whatever from home a...
avocado 180 box office
  05/17/18
Compare this to in-house - sitting in an open plan office, m...
avocado 180 box office
  05/17/18
There is shitty in-house and there is cushy in-house. Not su...
flirting clown
  05/17/18
In either case if you're not (1) GC or (2) Business generati...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
Don't understand what your gripe is. Everyone going in-house...
flirting clown
  05/17/18
My point is that the risk skews heavily towards the downside...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
You are far more likely to be canned on a whim in biglaw. In...
Adventurous Canary Twinkling Uncleanness Alpha
  05/17/18
That might be true for the bottom 25% of performers but defi...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
cr you can work in the morning, in the evening, at kids' bas...
Excitant Regret Voyeur
  05/17/18
you don't work all the time in biglaw. only NYC/HKG corp is ...
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Vibrant Onyx Really Tough Guy Affirmative Action
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lol
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(MSFT CEO)
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soggy depressive dragon
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Lol
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Man I was yelling at some Thai woman making ridiculous argum...
mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm
  05/17/18
yell at her for 5 minutes. go back to the banks. "...
avocado 180 box office
  05/17/18
Yeah that's what I did but a stressful five min
mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm
  05/17/18
oh no a stressful five mins u have literally $1m in a ban...
avocado 180 box office
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Brokerage
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avocado 180 box office
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It shouldn't be. It's someone else's money and risk. Let her...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
oh i agree, my whole approach is let's be chill about this. ...
mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm
  05/17/18
Yesterday I cut off an angry shrew to ask her why she lies a...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
Sssssssh don't yell it's going to be ok It's goin to be ok ...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
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The best part of megacorp inhouse is negotiating with suppli...
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Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
crrrrrrr
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Remember this voicemail? http://www.kinsellalaw.com/wp-c...
Galvanic glassy kitty jewess
  05/17/18
of course
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They should make this voicemail a huge portion of your bar e...
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Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
What an annoying fuck. BTW, what was the issue? lol at getti...
flirting clown
  05/17/18
Listened to this again for the first time since law school. ...
Dead Arousing Son Of Senegal Home
  05/17/18
lol
mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm
  05/17/18
never heard it before today. It's bad, but it's not the wors...
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  05/23/18
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Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/23/18
lol @ negotiating with thai
Coral address
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Swashbuckling boltzmann doctorate
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Well-lubricated cocky pit
  05/17/18
LJL. The Little Mermaid could never get made today.
misanthropic charismatic spot
  05/17/18
id fuck the shit out of ariel
frozen piazza
  05/17/18
"You'll never miss it."
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  05/17/18
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Olive bat shit crazy corner
  05/17/18
2200 in billables? that's like a 44-hour workweek with two f...
indigo startling antidepressant drug
  05/17/18
lmao, here are three committees we'd like you to run, also p...
fragrant deranged trailer park feces
  05/17/18
2200 is 44 billable hours per week, which really means 50 ho...
Galvanic glassy kitty jewess
  05/17/18
most biglawyers bill less than 2000
avocado 180 box office
  05/17/18
*most biglawyers without a long-term career trajectory at th...
carnelian multi-billionaire main people
  05/17/18
yeah but you can still do 10 years and save literally no fla...
avocado 180 box office
  05/17/18
I'd wager there isn't a single lawyer in the V25 who's joine...
carnelian multi-billionaire main people
  05/17/18
yeah you cant do 10 years at a firm with sub 2k but you can ...
avocado 180 box office
  05/17/18
sometimes but it depends on things that are outside of your ...
carnelian multi-billionaire main people
  05/17/18
You don’t know what you’re taking about. At my V5 the AVERAG...
Adventurous Canary Twinkling Uncleanness Alpha
  05/17/18
(Poaster soon to receive an email from random partner to mee...
flirting clown
  05/17/18
Brother, I think I do know what I'm talking about and we're ...
carnelian multi-billionaire main people
  05/17/18
Ok, maybe it’s different at the top handful of firms. I did ...
Adventurous Canary Twinkling Uncleanness Alpha
  05/17/18
But you do have to bill these hours to support the PPP of a ...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/23/18
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Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/25/18
Average billable numbers are flame vastly deflated by part y...
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  05/23/18
10 years is crazy you could probably milk it to year 4-5 ...
Autistic crimson site candlestick maker
  05/20/18
LMAO @ two full weeks of vacation
Claret Razzle Plaza Legal Warrant
  05/22/18
my friend is 30 in biglaw V50 and only makes $250k.
Ocher painfully honest stead water buffalo
  05/17/18
So your friend did something before law school and graduated...
internet-worthy double fault location
  05/17/18
pretty much but he saved for law school and had only $50k of...
Ocher painfully honest stead water buffalo
  05/17/18
guarantees?
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mint national athletic conference
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LOL. The funny thing is, i remember thinking exactly that in...
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And then you weren't good at it and didn't take full agency ...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
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avocado 180 box office
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BURN
Galvanic glassy kitty jewess
  05/17/18
Now i have a cool job where people are actually nice to me a...
Apoplectic Sanctuary Roast Beef
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Absolutely devastating
mint national athletic conference
  05/17/18
cr. plus you just do 4-5 years in the right practice group a...
Coral address
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Coiffed police squad sneaky criminal
  05/17/18
Now remove your avarice (NYC) and gluttony (law school debt...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
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Coiffed police squad sneaky criminal
  05/17/18
We're all gonna die and be forgotten
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/17/18
thank god
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Dead Arousing Son Of Senegal Home
  05/17/18
This is an interesting new twist on an old flame
Floppy pale point
  05/17/18
Hey, interesting idea you have here. I think we need to tal...
carnelian multi-billionaire main people
  05/17/18
You are highly compensated because you have no long term fut...
Adventurous Canary Twinkling Uncleanness Alpha
  05/17/18
who cares. you can save $750k - $1m and then do literally wh...
avocado 180 box office
  05/17/18
"All I wanted to do was to practice law at Skadden for ...
carnelian multi-billionaire main people
  05/17/18
sounds 180
avocado 180 box office
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Yes, 100%. *in the middledistance, the sound of cannonade i...
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mint national athletic conference
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BIGTRINKET
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Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
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not a biglaw bro but i get the impression they entice you wi...
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  05/21/18
why would you be a "broken shell" of a person jfc ...
avocado 180 box office
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Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
  05/21/18
5 years if you’re lucky
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avocado 180 box office
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you have no idea what it's like. i was at v5 lit and ended i...
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And what are you doing now
avocado 180 box office
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You shouldn't join v5, that's a huge mistake but you should ...
mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm
  05/22/18
V5 is a sad grotesquerie of flattened goombas and koopa troo...
Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
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mint national athletic conference
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lol wow.
trip station
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Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse
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hilarious
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Its solid money but truly is brutal in many ways. It just we...
Burgundy Aphrodisiac Mad-dog Skullcap
  05/22/18
its literally just typing things and reading emails JFC grow...
avocado 180 box office
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LOL at "Guarantee"
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$350k in MFH will barely pay for your groceries
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“Flexible work. Lots of firms let you do whatever from home ...
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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:45 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067472)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:46 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

Flexible work. Lots of firms let you do whatever from home as long as it gets done. Can roll in at a 11, out at 4 on slow days. Senior assocs can delegate a ton of the grunt work. Insanely high salary. Good job flexibility - there's firms lining up to hire you even if you get canned. Great benefits. Transactional is chill and often not too contentious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067474)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:47 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

Compare this to in-house - sitting in an open plan office, making half as much, some MD riding you every second of your 9-7 day, still have a blackberry, still working on deals. JFC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067475)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: flirting clown

There is shitty in-house and there is cushy in-house. Not sure if the same can be said for Biglaw. If you're there 9-7 it's prbly because you spent 3 hours shooting the shit with others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067932)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

In either case if you're not (1) GC or (2) Business generating or (3) absolutely MISSION FUCKING CRITICAL AGC or DGC in a HUGE organization your just sitti around waiting to be cannon fodder in the next round of recession layoffs oh and you didn't get that much stock cuz youre a low level lawyer and the stock is worthless because it's a recession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067976)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:46 AM
Author: flirting clown

Don't understand what your gripe is. Everyone going in-house understands the risk. Biglaw presents similar ones as well. What you're likely referring to (I imagine) are contract negotiator level in-house positions. Your statement holds true for biglaw I guess. No one goes in-house to make money, or, at least, I've yet to meet anyone that has. Ppl generally go for a better work life balance and reasonable pay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068015)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:47 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

My point is that the risk skews heavily towards the downside for all but the positions I identified, which includes the vast majority of AGCs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068026)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: Adventurous Canary Twinkling Uncleanness Alpha

You are far more likely to be canned on a whim in biglaw. In house job security is far superior to big law job security.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069167)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:50 PM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

That might be true for the bottom 25% of performers but definitely not the middle 50%.

I think you underestimate how decimated in house legal staffs become in sharp downturns. It's nastier on a percentage basis than biglaw. 40 down to 4.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069543)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:57 AM
Author: Excitant Regret Voyeur

cr you can work in the morning, in the evening, at kids' baseball games, even fall asleep in bed with your emails open

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067501)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:59 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

you don't work all the time in biglaw. only NYC/HKG corp is bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067516)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:02 AM
Author: Vibrant Onyx Really Tough Guy Affirmative Action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067525)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: trip station

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105791)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:39 PM
Author: chestnut brethren state

(MSFT CEO)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105812)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:45 AM
Author: soggy depressive dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36111498)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:57 AM
Author: tan dashing tank rigor

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067502)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:09 AM
Author: Jet passionate tanning salon

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067537)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:58 AM
Author: mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm

Man I was yelling at some Thai woman making ridiculous arguments at like midnight yesterday, sometimes it's not that chill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067509)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:59 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

yell at her for 5 minutes.

go back to the banks.

"Company said no, would you like us to keep pushing back?"

Rinse and repeat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067511)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:59 AM
Author: mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm

Yeah that's what I did but a stressful five min

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067514)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:00 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

oh no a stressful five mins

u have literally $1m in a bank account

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067517)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:00 AM
Author: mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm

Brokerage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067519)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067822)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:00 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

It shouldn't be. It's someone else's money and risk. Let her angst fall upon your lap like acorns from an oak tree

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067523)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:05 AM
Author: mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm

oh i agree, my whole approach is let's be chill about this. but when people are just being aggro retards for no reason, its tough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067530)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

Yesterday I cut off an angry shrew to ask her why she lies and yells and give her heart for a soulless company that cares nothing about her and wha would your parents and god and children think, it's okay, I will forgive you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067805)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:15 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

Sssssssh don't yell it's going to be ok

It's goin to be ok

It's going to be ok.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067816)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: internet-worthy double fault location

The best part of megacorp inhouse is negotiating with suppliers because your job is basically to be as unfair and dickish to them as possible. I think my main goal for the rest of my career is to spend as much of my time as possible working for businesses in negotiations where they have all the leverage in every negotiation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068214)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:29 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068906)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:35 AM
Author: diverse internal respiration bawdyhouse

crrrrrrr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068964)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:40 AM
Author: Galvanic glassy kitty jewess

Remember this voicemail?

http://www.kinsellalaw.com/wp-content/uploads/audio/VoiceMessage.wav



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069014)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:46 AM
Author: mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm

of course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069063)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: internet-worthy double fault location

They should make this voicemail a huge portion of your bar exam score. They should add a section where you have to recite it from memory and fail the whole test if you miss more than 5 words. Licensed attorneys should be subject to spot checks where they are asked by another member of the bar to recite it on demand and if they fail to recite it properly they can be disbarred. Also, I should have found this dude and begged him to hire me at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069224)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:44 PM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069499)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: flirting clown

What an annoying fuck. BTW, what was the issue? lol at getting worked up over shit like this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069237)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:13 PM
Author: Dead Arousing Son Of Senegal Home

Listened to this again for the first time since law school. It doesnt sound that bad anymore

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069287)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:50 PM
Author: mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36073254)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:59 AM
Author: Excitant Regret Voyeur

never heard it before today. It's bad, but it's not the worst thing I've ever heard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110810)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:34 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36111048)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Coral address

lol @ negotiating with thai

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067831)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36068071)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:32 AM
Author: fishy mad cow disease rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067622)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Swashbuckling boltzmann doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067829)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:47 AM
Author: Well-lubricated cocky pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067476)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:56 AM
Author: misanthropic charismatic spot

LJL. The Little Mermaid could never get made today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067500)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:57 AM
Author: frozen piazza

id fuck the shit out of ariel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067507)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:45 AM
Author: fragrant deranged trailer park feces

"You'll never miss it."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067647)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 7:52 AM
Author: Olive bat shit crazy corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067489)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:42 AM
Author: indigo startling antidepressant drug

2200 in billables? that's like a 44-hour workweek with two full weeks of vacation a year. biglawyers aren't paid enough for that kind of workload.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067640)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:46 AM
Author: fragrant deranged trailer park feces

lmao, here are three committees we'd like you to run, also please be a major participant in the summer program and all of your clients are cost-conscious.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067650)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:45 AM
Author: Galvanic glassy kitty jewess

2200 is 44 billable hours per week, which really means 50 hours in the office ever week. That's not bad by NYC standards, but it means 9:30-7:30 five days a week and probably 5-10 weekends a year ruined with work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069049)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:46 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

most biglawyers bill less than 2000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069052)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: carnelian multi-billionaire main people

*most biglawyers without a long-term career trajectory at the firm*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069065)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

yeah but you can still do 10 years and save literally no flame one million dollars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069075)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: carnelian multi-billionaire main people

I'd wager there isn't a single lawyer in the V25 who's joined within the last 10 years who would be allowed to stay for 10 years if they bill <2k per year outside of the following edge cases: 1) they have dirt on / improper under the eyes of God relations with someone on the global committee; 2) they're a walking discrimination / adverse firing suit if they're let go; 3) they're in a niche area of practice where the hours culture has escaped the general rising tide (e.g., SALT controversy); 4) they're only there because of business facilitation (dad is the GC of Exxon); 5) they have a special niche skill (government contracting wizard with portability over into false claims act analysis for obscure contracting methodologies). This probably describes 5% of the associate workforce. For the other 95%, hours drive the equation to a degree that is jaw-dropping to idealistic outsiders. Also, the Kevron Drive has reached stage four of engineering test phase and we're preparing for a demonstration sometime in June, please let me know if you'd like to attend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069149)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:56 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

yeah you cant do 10 years at a firm with sub 2k but you can lateral 2-3 times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069174)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:58 AM
Author: carnelian multi-billionaire main people

sometimes but it depends on things that are outside of your control like what the market trend is for your practice area at the time and how desperate the (usually lower vault) firm is to staff up with laterals. I've seen the scenario you describe where a lawyer has bobbed and weaved from firm to firm successfully but I've also seen people who get fucked because their resume screams "I can't stay in a single place for more then 1-2 years"; hiring partners / committees are wise to this, especially these days--it's fairly easy to spot someone who is just milking a career path for a few more years of benefits / savings before moving to borneo to open a tattoo body art stand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069187)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: Adventurous Canary Twinkling Uncleanness Alpha

You don’t know what you’re taking about. At my V5 the AVERAGE billables, excluding pro bono are 1650 to 1750. With pro bono they are about 1900. It’s only the V15 (maybe V10) - V100 where you really have to grind out 2000+ consistently.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069192)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: flirting clown

(Poaster soon to receive an email from random partner to meet in conference room East-West at end of day)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069198)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: carnelian multi-billionaire main people

Brother, I think I do know what I'm talking about and we're really not saying anything differently. I don't doubt that some V10s have that as an average hours basis. It doesn't affect the point I'm making, particularly when you think about the volume shape of the cohort of lawyers (pyramidal base); there are lots of young lawyers who come in and try to survive billing <2k hours. I'm telling you they don't generally last these days for a combination of reasons including both firm selection and self selection

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069202)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:22 PM
Author: Adventurous Canary Twinkling Uncleanness Alpha

Ok, maybe it’s different at the top handful of firms. I did consider going to a lower V100 firm recently (for a move that would have involved a promotion) and I was surprised by how hours-focused they were compared to my current firm. My firm just charges pornographically-obscene rates so we don’t really have to bill that many hours to turn a good profit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069348)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:52 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

But you do have to bill these hours to support the PPP of a v5, which even with high rates relies on leverage and hours. Hours are the unit of production of the law firm. Each associate, special counsel and non-equity partner costs salary + bonus + $300k. Add up the back office at $350k/Head. Pull your top line revenue from AmLaw. Pull your PPP. Take junior associate hours at 1800/per based on a bucket of juniors at leverage and $600/hour, counsel and non-equity at 1800/per and $1000/hour and solve for hours of the buckett of senior associates at leverage and $950/hour. The math will show seniors getting CRUSHED. The average number rolled out by firms will include ALL of the partial year firings, hiring and maternity and paternity leave. You MUST bill 2400/year to last ten years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110782)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36125473)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: costumed pea-brained jew

Average billable numbers are flame vastly deflated by part year laterals and women on maternity leave

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36111110)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 4:55 PM
Author: Autistic crimson site candlestick maker

10 years is crazy

you could probably milk it to year 4-5 though depending on the firm and office, but then you're kind of fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36091430)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: Claret Razzle Plaza Legal Warrant

LMAO @ two full weeks of vacation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36106393)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 8:50 AM
Author: Ocher painfully honest stead water buffalo

my friend is 30 in biglaw V50 and only makes $250k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067678)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: internet-worthy double fault location

So your friend did something before law school and graduated at 27?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069246)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: Ocher painfully honest stead water buffalo

pretty much but he saved for law school and had only $50k of debt and is now debt free.

My only point is that it's wrong to assume top tier base and bonus and graduating at 25 with $0 debt. the opportunity cost of making the money requires a few years to break even. by the break-even point, most biglawyers are looking to leave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069343)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:15 AM
Author: outnumbered kitty cat death wish

guarantees?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067814)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 5:40 PM
Author: mint national athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36071812)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:16 AM
Author: Apoplectic Sanctuary Roast Beef

LOL. The funny thing is, i remember thinking exactly that in law school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067826)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:19 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

And then you weren't good at it and didn't take full agency of your own life and missed some cuts and gave up and now you can't afford your shitty townhome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067849)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067916)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:52 AM
Author: Galvanic glassy kitty jewess

BURN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069131)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:55 AM
Author: Apoplectic Sanctuary Roast Beef

Now i have a cool job where people are actually nice to me and i dont dread coming in to work every day and im getting an awesome 180 house that i actually own (town homes are bullshit, u dont own them). Our new place is really growing on me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069168)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 5:40 PM
Author: mint national athletic conference

Absolutely devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36071817)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:17 AM
Author: Coral address

cr. plus you just do 4-5 years in the right practice group and then transition to 9-5 300k in house

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067833)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:26 AM
Author: Coiffed police squad sneaky criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067888)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:29 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

Now remove your avarice (NYC) and gluttony (law school debt) from the fact pattern and recalculate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067902)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Coiffed police squad sneaky criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067951)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

We're all gonna die and be forgotten

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067956)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: multi-colored french chef kitchen

thank god

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067960)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 5:38 PM
Author: Dead Arousing Son Of Senegal Home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36071799)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: Floppy pale point

This is an interesting new twist on an old flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36067961)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 11:42 AM
Author: carnelian multi-billionaire main people

Hey, interesting idea you have here. I think we need to talk through things in more detail though. Can you please set up a call with the bort for Saturday at 8 a.m. and then I'll want a draft memorializing the strategy--bullets are fine, but make sure they're tight--by Sunday AM since the board presentation is Monday. Also, I need you to fly out to Quebec sometime next week to support something--I'll let you know the details sometime this week or else over the weekend, but if you haven't heard from me by Monday definitely reach back out

Thanks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069028)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:03 PM
Author: Adventurous Canary Twinkling Uncleanness Alpha

You are highly compensated because you have no long term future/career progression at the firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069219)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: avocado 180 box office

who cares. you can save $750k - $1m and then do literally whatever you want.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069247)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:10 PM
Author: carnelian multi-billionaire main people

"All I wanted to do was to practice law at Skadden for forty years. If only I had know it required an average realized billable hours aggregate of 2,150 per year during my associate years I would have adjusted things. Now here I am, 37, forced to leave the Glory Seat of the Law and sell trinkets to tourists in Ukraine with my family in tow."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069263)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:31 PM
Author: avocado 180 box office

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069418)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: carnelian multi-billionaire main people

Yes, 100%. *in the middledistance, the sound of cannonade interpunctuated with the burping diesel noises of a rolling wave of Soviet battletanks* "Mishka, they return! Roll up the storefront! Ready the armor!" 'Dad, I've told you fifty times my name is Axton Kingston and I'm not changing it no matter how long we stay in this shitty place. When are we going home?'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069539)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 1:15 AM
Author: Demanding chrome stain lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102521)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: mint national athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105755)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

BIGTRINKET

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36069515)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: At-the-ready halford shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36073532)



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Date: May 17th, 2018 6:12 PM
Author: avocado 180 box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36072058)



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Date: May 20th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36089617)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36095252)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:04 AM
Author: glittery tripping cruise ship

not a biglaw bro but i get the impression they entice you with the big salary but they work the shit out of you and then ditch you after about 5 years, leaving you the broken shell of a person

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36095257)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:07 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

why would you be a "broken shell" of a person jfc

its just emails

you aren't manning a trench at Verdun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36095261)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 12:48 PM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36096793)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: Autistic crimson site candlestick maker

5 years if you’re lucky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36106376)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 3:49 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102750)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 4:17 AM
Author: carmine domesticated principal's office lettuce

you have no idea what it's like. i was at v5 lit and ended it with nothing lined up. human beings were not made for office work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102781)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 4:19 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

And what are you doing now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102784)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:40 AM
Author: mind-boggling parlour pisswyrm

You shouldn't join v5, that's a huge mistake but you should have been able to lateral

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36102853)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse

V5 is a sad grotesquerie of flattened goombas and koopa troopas acting like they own the castle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36104396)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: mint national athletic conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105753)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:38 PM
Author: trip station

lol wow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105805)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110721)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:01 AM
Author: Excitant Regret Voyeur

hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110823)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 7:32 AM
Author: Violent stubborn center knife



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36417432)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:37 PM
Author: Burgundy Aphrodisiac Mad-dog Skullcap

Its solid money but truly is brutal in many ways. It just wears you down over the years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105799)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:14 AM
Author: avocado 180 box office

its literally just typing things and reading emails JFC grow a backbone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36110889)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 2:43 PM
Author: Aromatic Hilarious Dog Poop Brunch

LOL at "Guarantee"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36105834)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: tantric flesh chad

$350k in MFH will barely pay for your groceries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36111113)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:36 AM
Author: provocative ticket booth

“Flexible work. Lots of firms let you do whatever from home as long as it gets done.” You WILL be working from home (or the airport, train, poolside at your vacation resort, your mother’s dining room table prior to Thanksgiving dinner) in addition to all time spent in the office, since there is no distinction between work and leisure time.

“Can roll in at a 11, out at 4 on slow days”: Yes, after three straight weeks of crushing days, you’ll have a day or two with nothing to do, so you can head in or out early by a few hours, with the dreaded awareness that this period of relative calm can be blown up at any moment.

“Senior assocs can delegate a ton of the grunt work.” Yes, at a certain point you can delegate legal research and answering formulaic interrogatories, while still retaining ultimate responsibility for the delegated work being right (you’ll be as fucked as the junior if some case-busting precedent finds its way into your brief), and then you have some delightful senior associates responsibilities added to your plate, like dealing directly with intransigent clients (direct client contact!) and a plethora of business development “grunt work” (partner tasks you with getting together extensive RFP for case hitting the docket in the morning, for presentation to potential client that evening)

“Good job flexibility -there's firms lining up to hire you even if you get canned.” No. Highly dependent on market and, at some point where it is clear you are non-partner material in the big law world (i.e. vast majority of people) the most common path if staying in the firm world is going to a midlaw or boutique firm that presents much of the samw bullshit with pay comparable to inhouse roles you potentially could have earlier transitioned to earlier.

“Great benefits.” Yes, like UNLIMITED vacation! (Of course, Billable hours expectations still apply).

“ Transactional is chill and often not too contentious.” Hahahhahahhahahhahhahah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36125707)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 1:08 PM
Author: Hot drunken fortuitous meteor

sounds like you're in lit, so that's your problem right there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36419165)



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Date: July 13th, 2018 1:06 PM
Author: Startled fiercely-loyal useless brakes meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3978981&forum_id=2#36419149)