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IP litigator bills 3,600 hours in one year (link)

Ever wonder how your billable hours measure up? Consider thi...
Sick Fortuitous Meteor Point
  05/18/18
this is a farce.
blue exhilarant rehab
  05/18/18
make hay when the sun shines! (By double billing)
Supple wrinkle
  05/18/18
ljl
wonderful keepsake machete senate
  05/18/18
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fishy filthpig
  05/18/18
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Charcoal trump supporter business firm
  05/18/18
Ljl @ this bullshit
haunting headpube
  05/18/18
Wow, the article says this guy does patent prosecution too. ...
Grizzly shrine
  05/18/18
easy to rack up the hours. hard to get paid for it.
blue exhilarant rehab
  05/18/18
Yeah if you want a dogshit realization rate. This dude is a...
Grizzly shrine
  05/18/18
He’s basically a named partner
Sick Fortuitous Meteor Point
  05/18/18
also - patent applications / trademark applications and the ...
blue exhilarant rehab
  05/18/18
...
Grizzly shrine
  05/18/18
already covered. if this guy's not a liar--which he is--he's...
rough-skinned bawdyhouse gunner
  05/18/18
"He’s also fortunate to have a lot of work, he said, al...
big persian
  05/18/18
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haunting headpube
  05/18/18
This is like one of those things that would have gone in the...
rough-skinned bawdyhouse gunner
  05/18/18
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copper clown
  05/18/18
why would he willingly give this info to the ABA? Clients ha...
Supple wrinkle
  05/18/18
this guy isn't billing out at MFH biglaw partner rates, so c...
big persian
  05/18/18
that's not how this works at all
Supple wrinkle
  05/18/18
this guy's hourly rate is probably comparable to mid-level b...
big persian
  05/18/18
so is mine. clients dont' tell me "go ahead & pad, ...
Supple wrinkle
  05/18/18
Obviously no one acknowledges padding, but he's probably pad...
big persian
  05/18/18
the point is that the client base is not the same
Supple wrinkle
  05/18/18
we should just kill ourselves, brother
big persian
  05/18/18
we can still maek
Supple wrinkle
  05/18/18
LJL
razzmatazz stage
  05/18/18
LMAO
fishy filthpig
  05/18/18
Also LJL at describing this goon as a "litigator."...
rough-skinned bawdyhouse gunner
  05/18/18
...
Grizzly shrine
  05/18/18
"He even racked up billable hours while on vacation.&qu...
trip topaz theater
  05/18/18
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Heady hateful sneaky criminal
  05/18/18
Push notification to DBG's cell: "A Great Biller has be...
razzle field
  05/18/18
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idiotic pocket flask
  05/18/18
...
Gold Telephone
  06/23/18
Drunkard has done this every year for over a decade
arousing smoky masturbator garrison
  05/18/18
Not only that, but has managed to drink like an alcoholic, a...
rough-skinned bawdyhouse gunner
  05/18/18
he also lives in a 10 bedroom mansion despite being a lowly ...
trip topaz theater
  05/18/18
It's funny how you can spot a gleeful shit eater like this d...
Duck-like lay
  05/18/18
...
Sick Fortuitous Meteor Point
  06/23/18
Ljl at wanting to be known as the biggest padder in the busi...
narrow-minded forum
  05/18/18
...
Sick Fortuitous Meteor Point
  05/18/18
...
carnelian area candlestick maker
  05/18/18
its literally like this guy is trying to commit career and a...
Racy vermilion selfie
  05/18/18
wouldnt you?
amethyst at-the-ready dopamine personal credit line
  06/23/18


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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:18 AM
Author: Sick Fortuitous Meteor Point

Ever wonder how your billable hours measure up? Consider this: Daniel Bliss billed 3,600 hours last year.

That’s almost 70 billable hours a week for 52 weeks. That’s 10 billable hours a day if you work seven days. That’s nearly 12 billable hours a day if you decide to take off one day a week.

However you look at it, that’s a lot of hours.

“You know what?” Bliss said. “When the sun shines, you have to make hay.”

You evidently have to “make hay” when the sun doesn’t shine as well if you want to rack up those numbers. Bliss, an intellectual property lawyer and partner at Michigan-based Howard & Howard, admits he worked plenty of 12-hour days, evenings and weekends last year. He even racked up billable hours while on vacation.

The self-proclaimed workaholic is actually one of dozens of lawyers in the United States who billed more than 3,000 hours in 2017, according to information reported by law firms for the Am Law 200/NLJ 500 survey. The firms were asked to report the total hours billed by the lawyer who billed the most hours during 2017.

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At least a dozen firms declined to identify their highest-billing lawyer, citing such excuses as the lawyer can’t talk about the work, or, the lawyer is too busy to do an interview. Two firms said the hours reported were actually inaccurate, as they represented the total hours spent on a project or the total hours billed by a practice group—not the number of hours billed by an individual lawyer.

But Bliss’ hours were all his. And he was willing to talk about them.

Bliss, who works out of the firm’s offices in Royal Oak, Michigan, a suburb of Detroit, and in Las Vegas, said it takes a great deal of discipline and organization to accumulate that many hours. He’s been able to bill an average of 300 hours a month, he said, because he knows exactly what tasks he must accomplish each day.

He’s also fortunate to have a lot of work, he said, although he declined to identify his clients. He fills out his own time sheets instead of having an assistant do it, to ensure the recording of hours worked and the description of that work are correct.

He also said it helps to keep a steady pace. To keep on track, he strives to bill 10 hours a day. “Sometimes you make it. Sometimes you don’t. Sometimes you go beyond it,” he said.

Bliss, who does patent prosecution, trademark work and litigation, said he usually is at the office by 7 a.m. and doesn’t leave before 7 p.m. He also typically works on weekends. For part of 2017, his wife was out of town so he got into a routine of working a long day at the office, coming home, eating and then working some more.

He also works on airplanes while traveling, often drafting patent applications.

“It’s that little bit that helps each month,” he said.

Despite his nose-to-the-grindstone ways, Bliss said he doesn’t expect the same from his associates. “Not everybody is going to be like me,” he said.

Bliss has been a high biller his entire career—well before he joined Howard & Howard, a 140-lawyer firm with offices in Michigan, Illinois, Nevada and California. He was equally driven at his previous firm—an IP boutique he co-founded in 1994 with Gerald McGlynn III. That firm, Bliss McGlynn, merged with Howard & Howard in 2013.

He’s always been a high achiever, according to McGlynn, who is also a partner at Howard & Howard and has known Bliss since they were lab partners at Michigan Technological University. ”He would take 22 credits a term and get like a 3.9. It’s evidence he has the ability to absorb a lot of information and generate high-quality product,” McGlynn said.

But it takes more than efficiency and drive to bill that many hours in a year. Bliss is able to do it, McGlynn said, because he likes what he does.

“He just tears into it, and he’s happy to do it.”

And that love of work is really what it takes, according to McGlynn. He should know. In 2015, it was McGlynn who took the prize as Howard & Howard’s highest biller.

That year, he billed 3,200 hours.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075870)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:21 AM
Author: blue exhilarant rehab

this is a farce.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075879)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:21 AM
Author: Supple wrinkle

make hay when the sun shines! (By double billing)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075881)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: wonderful keepsake machete senate

ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075908)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: fishy filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36077083)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: Charcoal trump supporter business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075886)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: haunting headpube

Ljl @ this bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075890)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: Grizzly shrine

Wow, the article says this guy does patent prosecution too. It's really hard to rack up big hours these days doing prep & pros due to low caps, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075897)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: blue exhilarant rehab

easy to rack up the hours. hard to get paid for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075903)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: Grizzly shrine

Yeah if you want a dogshit realization rate. This dude is a partner too. Crazy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075910)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 12:34 PM
Author: Sick Fortuitous Meteor Point

He’s basically a named partner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36077332)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: blue exhilarant rehab

also - patent applications / trademark applications and the prosecution tasks that go with them are all flat-fee billing for most firms.

7k max for a patent app. The app should take >20 hours. Then for office action responses, its max 2-3k per and those probably take 6-8 hours.

Even with 3600 hours he is still only generating ~1M in revenue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075900)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:25 AM
Author: Grizzly shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075914)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:26 AM
Author: rough-skinned bawdyhouse gunner

already covered. if this guy's not a liar--which he is--he's a retard.

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3977084&mc=5&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075916)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:26 AM
Author: big persian

"He’s also fortunate to have a lot of work, he said, although he declined to identify his clients. He fills out his own time sheets instead of having an assistant do it, to ensure the recording of hours worked and the description of that work are correct."

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075917)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:27 AM
Author: haunting headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075919)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:28 AM
Author: rough-skinned bawdyhouse gunner

This is like one of those things that would have gone in the letter about how the SEC guy knew Madoff was a fraud. Which is worth reading if you ever want to spot scam investments.

https://www.sec.gov/news/studies/2009/oig-509/exhibit-0293.pdf

This is like Madoff going to cash at the end of every quarter. Or using a store front auditor in Queens who he was related to rather than a big 4. Or actively turning away qualified investors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075924)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:57 AM
Author: copper clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36077074)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Supple wrinkle

why would he willingly give this info to the ABA? Clients have to be giving him heat

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075959)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: big persian

this guy isn't billing out at MFH biglaw partner rates, so clients still probably see it as a decent value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075969)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: Supple wrinkle

that's not how this works at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075985)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: big persian

this guy's hourly rate is probably comparable to mid-level biglaw associate in a major market or maybe even lower than that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076019)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:45 AM
Author: Supple wrinkle

so is mine. clients dont' tell me "go ahead & pad, since you're cheaper than MoFo SF 3d year it's cool"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076024)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:48 AM
Author: big persian

Obviously no one acknowledges padding, but he's probably padding a little bit on a lot of different matters. At the end of the day, the bill from Howard & Howard will still be a lot cheaper than what the client would get from MoFo (they're padding too, btw).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076040)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: Supple wrinkle

the point is that the client base is not the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076046)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: big persian

we should just kill ourselves, brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076559)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:06 AM
Author: Supple wrinkle

we can still maek

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076701)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 10:48 AM
Author: razzmatazz stage

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076548)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:59 AM
Author: fishy filthpig

LMAO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36077088)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:33 AM
Author: rough-skinned bawdyhouse gunner

Also LJL at describing this goon as a "litigator."

AND LJL at a partner actually working on patent apps



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075937)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: Grizzly shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076022)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:38 AM
Author: trip topaz theater

"He even racked up billable hours while on vacation."

Wow, how unique!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36075974)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:44 AM
Author: Heady hateful sneaky criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076985)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:43 AM
Author: razzle field

Push notification to DBG's cell: "A Great Biller has been born in a faraway land!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076008)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: idiotic pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076681)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: Gold Telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36299151)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: arousing smoky masturbator garrison

Drunkard has done this every year for over a decade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076045)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: rough-skinned bawdyhouse gunner

Not only that, but has managed to drink like an alcoholic, acquire multiple high-end Porsches, Ferraris, and quirky trucks and British cars, and performed complex, time-consuming maintenance on them and tracked them!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076063)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: trip topaz theater

he also lives in a 10 bedroom mansion despite being a lowly associate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076087)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: Duck-like lay

It's funny how you can spot a gleeful shit eater like this during interview season and they normally get multiple offers.

TMF is clearly one of these types but somehow so unlikable that all the firms pass on having someone who would do the work of two associates in the work place Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076050)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 10:39 PM
Author: Sick Fortuitous Meteor Point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36298987)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 9:57 AM
Author: narrow-minded forum

Ljl at wanting to be known as the biggest padder in the business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076107)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 10:21 AM
Author: Sick Fortuitous Meteor Point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076297)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:40 AM
Author: carnelian area candlestick maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076951)



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Date: May 18th, 2018 11:41 AM
Author: Racy vermilion selfie

its literally like this guy is trying to commit career and actual suicide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36076962)



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Date: June 23rd, 2018 11:09 PM
Author: amethyst at-the-ready dopamine personal credit line

wouldnt you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980141&forum_id=2#36299136)