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Odd case: school shootings happen disproportionately in red states
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Date: May 18th, 2018 1:59 PM Author: Bateful smoky legend volcanic crater https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/21/states-most-and-least-gun-violence-see-where-your-state-stacks-up/359395002/
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund Odd case: https://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/8460-figure-2.png (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078117) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: Bateful smoky legend volcanic crater this doesn’t quite say what you want it to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078140) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund explain DC, an area that is 98% blue with the strictest gun laws in the nation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078150) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Bateful smoky legend volcanic crater Whatever the answer is, it’s not going to explain away the national trend identified in op (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078198) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:17 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why aren't you comparing us cities instead of us states? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078205) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Dashing narrow-minded rehab digit ratio because yr average nigga knows better than to go on a rampage in a school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078827) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:38 PM Author: laughsome point gaming laptop PLEASE IDENTIFY
Every gun manufacturer in DC |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: laughsome point gaming laptop Not sure what kinda flame you were going for, buddy.
Review and then re-submit |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:16 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why are gun violence and cities that vote democrat highly correlated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078200) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:30 PM Author: laughsome point gaming laptop Why is there more gun violence in areas that are densely populated and have higher rates of poverty?
Is that what you are trying to ask? |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:17 PM Author: Rambunctious theater stage pozpig Democrats are urban poors? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078681) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 4:22 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund Why do Asian immigrants who tend to be prole and live in densely populated areas have low gun violence rates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079144) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 5:08 PM Author: heady factory reset button So, did you post the wrong link or what? That link doesn't seem to support your statement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079577) |
Date: May 18th, 2018 2:03 PM Author: Opaque Crawly Site Those of us in red states know our more liberal gun policies do result in more access which results in more shootings. If we’re being honest. It’s just that we are willing to accept the shootings in exchange for the ability to arm ourselves. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078075) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:04 PM Author: Bateful smoky legend volcanic crater i do respect your honesty. the issue is that kids are bearing the costs of your trade off. it’s one thing to bear the cost yourself and another thing to foist it on others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078082) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why does vermont have low gun violence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078129) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: Opaque Crawly Site Vermont does seem like an outlier. Mostly olds with hunting rifles? Not entirely sure. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078133) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why does utah have low gun violence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078138) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: laughsome point gaming laptop Mormons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078151) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why does nebraska have low gun violence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078164) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:13 PM Author: hideous hairy legs Low population density (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078178) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why does new mexico have high gun violence rates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078187) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:25 PM Author: hideous hairy legs High poverty rate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078258) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:27 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why does wyoming have low gun violence rates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078282) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: laughsome point gaming laptop http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078178 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078366) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 4:21 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund then why does new mexico have high gun violence rates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079136) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: Avocado Idea He Suggested Rigpig why do you prefer a muscled, hairy buttocks? Nobody knows, it's just the way it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078154) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: laughsome point gaming laptop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078159) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Opaque Crawly Site I fucking hate gun bros who won’t admit this shit. The only way to stop shootings is to go to Australia style ban. But I won’t accept that and neither will most Americans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078130) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund brazil and mexico went to the australia style ban. describe their results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078143) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: Opaque Crawly Site No doubt the minorities will still kill each other like they do in shit countries like mx but I would expect the mass school shootings to be reduced significantly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078184) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:15 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why do latin american countries have the highest gun murder rates in the world depsite their very strict gun controls? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078191) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:33 PM Author: slimy party of the first part den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078322) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: Opaque Crawly Site What’s the enforcement mechanism like there? Is it anything like Australia? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078447) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 4:23 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why have latin american countries banned guns yet haven't eliminated their gun crime rates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079151) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 4:59 PM Author: hideous hairy legs They have cartels that operate off a steady supply of US guns, poor civil institutions, lack of infrastructure, high wealthy disparities, self-dealing corrupt politicians -- basically what the GOP is making the US into. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079493) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 4:39 PM Author: Rambunctious theater stage pozpig You’re not taking our guns so just fuck off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079300) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:45 PM Author: milky market better a few kids bear the cost of the trade off than an entire country bear the cost of what the shitlib statist dream leads to wahhhh! but the kids! |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 4:36 PM Author: Rambunctious theater stage pozpig These sub threads are absurd. Do stab victims bear the cost of knives being legal? Car crash victims / cars? We have guns because authoritarian fucks like yourself gain political power and start stripping freedoms and killing people. Governments run by fucks like you killed 100MM in the 20th century alone, almost none of those populations had any guns to speak of. We will never give up our guns because 10,000 people die a year in gun murders. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079275) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:08 PM Author: pea-brained gay wizard corner cr. my right to play rambo in my back yard trumps your kid's right not to be murdered during home ec (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078122) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:11 PM Author: laughsome point gaming laptop 'MURICA! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078157) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: pea-brained gay wizard corner good. they're the ones most deserving given their "everyone gets a gun" stance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078092) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: Dashing narrow-minded rehab digit ratio agreed.
you know why, right? because their representatives are doing a shit job on all factors. so theres a lot of misery there. |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:18 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why does new north dakota have very low rates of gun violence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078208) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:07 PM Author: pea-brained gay wizard corner only 3 of the top 20 are blue states? would not have guessed that
edit: and 9 of the 10 lowest are blue states |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:09 PM Author: Bateful smoky legend volcanic crater illinois has chicago and it’s still squarely in the bottom half. rednecks are shooting each other up high on meth but chief keef gets all the grief smh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078128) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:10 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund DC is 98% Democrat. Guess their ranking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078134) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:12 PM Author: Alcoholic dead mad-dog skullcap school seems fair to compare an urban area to entire states? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078166) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:14 PM Author: impertinent indigo crackhouse trust fund why are the most violent areas in america blue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078181) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:32 PM Author: pea-brained gay wizard corner because the residents of those areas know that republicans don't care about them and won't lift a finger to address their concerns.
its the same reason places that are potential terror targets also don't vote for republcians. |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:42 PM Author: slimy party of the first part den Ok flame jumped the shark here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078402) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:39 PM Author: Razzmatazz drab laser beams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078847) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:58 PM Author: Rambunctious theater stage pozpig Why don’t they just help themselves? Are they stupid? Why do they need republicans to help them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078956) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Wonderful patrolman That's not what that data says. It's ranking by fatalities which "include homicides, accidents, and suicides. There were 38,658 firearm deaths in the United States in 2016. Of those fatalities, 22,938 were suicides and 14,415 were homicides."
So you are flame or an idiot. Pls let me know which. |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:44 PM Author: razzle faggot firefighter international law enforcement agency In a throwaway line the article does say "The 10 deadliest incidents have occurred in Texas, California, Florida, Virginia, Connecticut, Oklahoma and Nevada." You are right about the data but I actually think it provides better support for the gun control argument. Homicide is only a subset (and often the smallest one) of the tragic occurrences that can result from firearm ownership. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078417) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:44 PM Author: cerise senate kitty Yea all those suicidal people will just say fuck it if they don't have guns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078876) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:48 PM Author: razzle faggot firefighter international law enforcement agency The link between gun ownership rates and rates of suicide is well established. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078901) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 4:04 PM Author: cerise senate kitty That still doesn't mean they wouldn't kill themselves if they couldn't buy guns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079001) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:46 PM Author: milky market both (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078436) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: Bateful smoky legend volcanic crater candidly i looked at the article for less than 10 seconds. however, to confirm, are you suggesting that gun ownership (ie an easy way to carry out what’s often a super impulsive choice) are basically irrelevant to suicide rates? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078460) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: milky market it's 100% relevant to things that aren't relevant in the debate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078481) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:51 PM Author: Wonderful patrolman You think because I said that your data had nothing specifically to do with school shootings, that I was commenting on the relationship between guns and suicide? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078491) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:01 PM Author: Bateful smoky legend volcanic crater You dropped in a quote and not much else so I wasnt sure what point you were making. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078546) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Wonderful patrolman Ok, so flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078810) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:40 PM Author: razzle faggot firefighter international law enforcement agency NY representin' with its super-low firearm death rate! The more interesting thing about the CDC data in the article is how suicides and firearm accidents are a bigger killer than homicides. That gun in your house is far, far more likely to be used in a suicide, accidental death, or domestic violence killing than it is in a justified killing of an intruder. So much tragedy that these red-staters invite into their homes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078383) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:47 PM Author: Wonderful patrolman (Long Island toddler face down in in-ground pool) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078456) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: milky market oh yes, the shitlib plea to statistics authority thank you for caring about pro gun families. you are very persuasive. |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: sapphire big field yarmulke Seems logical that states with high gun ownership rates would have higher suicide rates. But including suicides in the data seems counter to what they are trying to imply - correlation between gun ownership/laws and gun crime. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078393) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:56 PM Author: duck-like mental disorder oh weird wonder whythat irrelevant data is included odd case really fuckin interesting wish i had a link to the fairly recent piece laying out media rhetorical bait and switches on total and rates of gun "violence" vs crimes committed, it's the same thing they do with total and rates of crime for legal/illegal immigrants |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: Ruddy jap lmao @ them including suicides in the data
for instance, here's montana, the 6th most violent state according to this:
Firearm deaths per 100,000 people: 19.0 per 100,000 Total firearm deaths 2016: 194 (suicides: 162, homicides: N/A) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:12 PM Author: electric gold wrinkle ratface Yeah this is super common in gun control discussions. They do this particular sleight of hand every time (though I'm being generous calling sleight of hand since they're usually just too credulous and inept at critical thinking to realize they've been duped.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078638) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:06 PM Author: Bateful smoky legend volcanic crater Fuck it i live in nyc. Why should I give a fuck about mass shootings? I’m happy to let people shoot each other to death as long as I’m not feeling the externalities. Good luck.
Just don’t sue to vindicate the 2nd amendment rights of hypothetical nyc gun enthusiasts pls |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: Citrine national security agency theater NY actually released from prison the guy who committed the palm sunday massacre in brooklyn. he's apparently living in queens now, probably plotting his next massacre. so you guys might have another mass-shooting soon, since leopards don't exactly change their spots... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36079563) |
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Date: May 18th, 2018 3:49 PM Author: Lavender Wagecucks Address at public schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3980417&forum_id=2#36078904) |