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Baseballmos, how good is Ohtani's batting? Top 10 in MLB?
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:02 PM Author: bearded contagious location not sure how good a .32 batting average is and how that relates to .619 slugging etc. educate me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083878) |
Date: May 19th, 2018 12:04 PM Author: Cheese-eating rose mother this is going to be a huge mess - since Ohtani does not play every single day his batting average will be based on a much smaller sample size than other players. so if his batting average continues to be high, it will be said that this is unfair. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083889) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 1:21 PM Author: bearded aphrodisiac resort Yea but after a year and 350-400 AB's no one will really make that argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36084269) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:08 PM Author: glassy appetizing chapel He's 15th in wOBA, 12th in RC+, which are probably the 2 best advanced stats meant to measure total hitting effectiveness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083905) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Shimmering orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083913) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:09 PM Author: bearded contagious location can you explain these measures for a layman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083914) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:10 PM Author: glassy appetizing chapel No, but these dorks can: https://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/wrc/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083918) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:10 PM Author: Shimmering orchestra pit LOL'd.... actually still LOLING at this response. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083921) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: Cheese-eating rose mother check out this simple explanation
https://cdn.fangraphs.com/library/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/wRC-Flash-Card-7-19-15-e1437317254601.png |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:11 PM Author: Stirring Nowag wOBA is basically about how often you get on base and how helpful that is (i.e., better to be on third than first) and it's scaled so you can compare from player to player and park to park.
Runs created is the same thing but focusing on how many runs you cause, the two are intertwined obviously, but you would want your leadoff to have the higher wOBA and your cleanup guy the higher RC. A higher RC means you hit better in run creation scenarios compared to on base percentage, which just measures where you get to with your hits. |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:14 PM Author: Cheese-eating rose mother well there are 30 MLB teams each has 25 players on the roster
Of those, about half are batters
So there are ~360 batters in the league.
If Ohtani is the 12th or 13th best according to advanced statistics created by math dorks, then 12th or 13th out of 360 is pretty good considering he is ALSO A TOP PITCHER
Basically Ohtani is doing things unheard of since the 1910's by being both an above average batter and a very above average pitcher |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Stirring Nowag He's an all-star as either a hitter or a pitcher. XO predicted he would fail. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083945) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 6:34 PM Author: tantric balding hell tbf ive been pimping him for YEARS on this site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36092049) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:15 PM Author: Cheese-eating rose mother there was this guy in the 1910's named Babe Ruth who was good at both pitching and hitting. But after 1918 he pretty much gave up pitching to focus on his batting. He was one of the best pitchers of his time, and then became indisputably the best hitter of his time, but wasn't really doing that simultaneously.
Ohtani is trying to do both at once. |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:16 PM Author: Stirring Nowag His name was Albert Einstein (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083950) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 6:35 PM Author: Shimmering orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36092060) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 6:36 PM Author: dull federal gas station jew Cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36092064) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:19 PM Author: Cheese-eating rose mother The last guy to be widely renown for being both good at hitting AND good at batting was this guy from the 2000's named Dontrelle Willis, aka THE D TRAIN
In his best offensive season, Dontrelle Willis hit .286 with a slugging percentage of .508. However, Dontrelle was inconsistent as a pitcher. The year he hit .286, he had an ERA over 5 which is very unprestigious, meaning he was a bad pitcher that year.
Also, Dontrelle Willis only hit every 5 days as the number 9 hitter on days when he pitched. Ohtani hits 2 out of every 5 days and hits higher up in the lineup. |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: glassy appetizing chapel seems like madison bumgardner could be a legit power hitter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083972) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:21 PM Author: Cheese-eating rose mother huh, he hit .258 in 2014. didn't hear about that here on the east coast. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083981) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:22 PM Author: glassy appetizing chapel 15 HR in ~260 AB the last 4 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083986) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 5:46 PM Author: Milky patrolman water buffalo bumgarner could certainly pull a (likely better version of) rick ankiel if his arm explodes for good on him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085625) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:20 PM Author: dashing brunch reading party Willis was a good hitter for a pitcher. Otani is a great hitter....for a hitter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083975) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:22 PM Author: Cheese-eating rose mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083982) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 12:25 PM Author: hilarious church building police squad ...with a whole 84 career ABs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36083992) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 1:24 PM Author: bearded aphrodisiac resort That's not unmeaningful. Not like we have another sample that shows something different (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36084299) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: hilarious church building police squad wanna bet his final season #s aren't worse than his six week stats? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36084679) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:40 PM Author: Stirring Nowag I bet his BA is very close to .310 and his homers get to 15. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36084701) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 5:41 PM Author: hilarious church building police squad 15 hrs seems about right. i'll say .290 for ba (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085609) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Stirring Nowag In MLB, he has thousands of career ABs but we don't count foreign ball. He was one of the best hitters in Japan too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36084696) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 1:23 PM Author: bearded aphrodisiac resort He hits about 4 games a week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36084288) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 5:46 PM Author: Chest-beating Irate Area Ohtani doesn't have to hit on the same days he pitches tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085630) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 5:49 PM Author: glassy appetizing chapel Carlos Zambrano was another all-star pitcher who could really hit. Cubs used him as a pinch hitter from time-to-time, iirc.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zambrca01.shtml |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:04 PM Author: hilarious church building police squad cr. mike hampton was a very good hitting pitcher too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085722) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:50 PM Author: glassy appetizing chapel Damn, forgot he was such a great hitter until I checked his stats. He’s POTUS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36093390) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 6:49 PM Author: dull federal gas station jew You can't compare Ohtani and D Train. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36092145) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 5:46 PM Author: disrespectful field psychic NOWAG (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085629) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 5:50 PM Author: Cocky idiot why is he paid so little? racist WHITEY?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085648) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:07 PM Author: Razzmatazz bistre giraffe mediation Kind of, but the foreign signing restrictions were really meant to cut down on the money going to Latin Americans. If Ohtani had waited until he was 25 he would have stacked ca$h. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085736) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:08 PM Author: Cocky idiot why did he sign a 6 year deal to the league minimum though? couldn't he sign on for 2 years and then cash in? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085740) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:12 PM Author: Razzmatazz bistre giraffe mediation He signed an entry level contract with a small 7 figure signing bonus. The team decides what he is paid the first three years, then he is arbitration eligible. If he’s a stud, he can make 8 figures in arbitration, but prob not to his 5th or 6th year. After than he is a free agent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085759) |
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Date: May 19th, 2018 6:14 PM Author: Cocky idiot there is no doubt in my mind that he gets a devastating UCL injury and leaves the league destitute (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36085768) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 6:35 PM Author: dull federal gas station jew 17th best ops in baseball when I checked a couple days ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36092059) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 9:49 PM Author: glassy appetizing chapel And in a pitchers park, in a division where 2 of the other 3 parks are pitchers parks. That’s why his park/league adjusted stats put him even a bit higher than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3981168&forum_id=2#36093386) |