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"Vegas Golden Knight - Cindarella story!" is the dumbest sports take of the year

The quality of an expansion team is a function of the rules ...
Transparent degenerate
  05/21/18
TBF even after the expansion draft everybody expected them t...
stirring gold crackhouse telephone
  05/21/18
they were obviously wrong
Transparent degenerate
  05/21/18
I want to add to this reply, just because factors are dif...
Transparent degenerate
  05/23/18
whoa. hot take, pussyfart.
duck-like avocado box office
  05/21/18
How many teams better than the Knights on paper have been el...
snowy motley whorehouse
  05/21/18
I think I remember that during the expansion draft, they wer...
Ocher space
  05/21/18
Fleury was a quality player with had an albatross contract (...
vibrant incel
  05/21/18
Exactly. They weren't taking true scrubs, but they were play...
Purple domesticated psychic
  05/21/18
they were 500 to 1 before the season even once the rosters w...
Disrespectful menage hominid
  05/21/18
...
Effete Windowlicker School
  05/21/18
that's what I hate that's obviously not the right takeawa...
Transparent degenerate
  05/21/18
and yet the only players that most hockey fans have ever hea...
Disrespectful menage hominid
  05/21/18
I'm not saying they got to make an All-Star team, but the...
Transparent degenerate
  05/21/18
yea, their GM is the guy who put together a team around alex...
diverse immigrant lay
  05/21/18
Preseason they were +9250 to win the West, tied for second-w...
arousing cerise step-uncle's house
  05/21/18
they've been pretty decent all year
Transparent degenerate
  05/21/18
The real story that nhl fans don’t want to discuss is that t...
Sinister fantasy-prone liquid oxygen tanning salon
  05/21/18
Smells like duck sauce
awkward contagious forum foreskin
  05/21/18
tbf: baseball - hugely subjective sport where the strike ...
Disrespectful menage hominid
  05/21/18
in basketball, determinations of whether body contact consti...
Fuchsia arrogant meetinghouse
  05/21/18
i agree with this as someone who is not a hockey fan, i c...
galvanic theater stage internal respiration
  05/21/18
in 2000 2 Teams were drafting - 26 of the 28 teams exist...
Transparent degenerate
  05/21/18
yea man all those third line forwards were just RIPE. FOR. T...
Disrespectful menage hominid
  05/21/18
I mean, a lot of teams have younger players that they needed...
Transparent degenerate
  05/22/18
the real test here is going to be if they keep the same rule...
Transparent degenerate
  05/22/18
i just assume it's fixed. that's usually the underlying sto...
bistre maniacal rigpig
  05/21/18
Bet you are fun at parties
Opaque address
  05/21/18
depends on your definition of fun I guess
Transparent degenerate
  05/22/18
...
Transparent degenerate
  05/23/18
it's a fucking embarrassment to the league, but the NHL is p...
Chrome brunch
  05/23/18
cr
Transparent degenerate
  05/23/18
You mad?
awkward contagious forum foreskin
  05/28/18
a little, lol @ this manufactured FRAUD teaming dominating e...
iridescent hall
  05/28/18


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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:33 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate

The quality of an expansion team is a function of the rules for who the existing teams got to protect in the expansion draft, how much cap space they got, the quality of the FA pool that year, etc

these teams fluctuate wildly based on what setup the league gives them.

When the NFL added the Jaguars and Panthers, they gave them a bunch of extra picks, and that was at the start of free agency, so they had a ton more cap room then everyone else, in their second year both teams made their conference championships.

Later when they added the Browns and Texans, they realized they didn't want to give expansion teams that big of advantage, so they didn't give them nearly as many extra draft picks, and those teams blew for a long time.

The success of an expansion team, is a function of the rule for setting them up.

The existing teams clearly gave Vegas too good of a setup.

This is the story of a fuck up happening somewhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098289)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:34 PM
Author: stirring gold crackhouse telephone

TBF even after the expansion draft everybody expected them to suck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098291)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:40 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate

they were obviously wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098324)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:09 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate

I want to add to this reply,

just because factors are difficult to price, doesn't mean that those factor aren't causally responsible for what follows



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36113044)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: duck-like avocado box office

whoa. hot take, pussyfart.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098297)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: snowy motley whorehouse

How many teams better than the Knights on paper have been eliminated so far? Many.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098299)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: Ocher space

I think I remember that during the expansion draft, they were making deals to take players off of other teams hands who had big cap numbers, and getting additional picks/players as compensation.

Not really sure how much that contributed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098307)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:10 PM
Author: vibrant incel

Fleury was a quality player with had an albatross contract (and a quality younger cheaper option on his old team)

Much of their picks were taking on shit contracts other teams didn't want and/or agreeing not to take younger players from teams with more young talent than they could protect. Vegas played along in exchange for draft picks and additional players thrown in. The whole model was to stockpile picks and flexibility to be competitive 5 years down the line. No one saw this coming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36100706)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:56 PM
Author: Purple domesticated psychic

Exactly. They weren't taking true scrubs, but they were playing the long game in an effort to field a competitive team a few years down the road. Their best-case scenario was being decent. Nobody was expecting a Stanley Cup contender.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36101996)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: Disrespectful menage hominid

they were 500 to 1 before the season even once the rosters were named

their coach had literally been shitcanned at the visitors arena at his last job. wasn't even allowed to ride the bus back to the airport.

the bigger "scandal" here is that most NHL GMs and scouts are pedophiliac retards that constantly get nepotistically recycled into these jobs with no accountability and it really isn't difficult to put a competitive team together if you have even a scintilla of an eye for talent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098319)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:41 PM
Author: Effete Windowlicker School



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098328)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate

that's what I hate

that's obviously not the right takeaway

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between the Vegas GM having a rare 'scintilla of a eye for talent'

and him just having a good structural setup where a lot of good players were available to him because he has tons of cap room and favorable rules for who the other teams can protect

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the second explanation makes way more sense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098359)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:50 PM
Author: Disrespectful menage hominid

and yet the only players that most hockey fans have ever heard of are fleury, neal, and MAYBE reilly smith

and again, some of these acquisitions were not via the expansion draft. if you're arguing cap room, ok i guess, not like everyone didn't have the same floor and the same cap.

this hindsight narrative that "THEY GOT TO MAKE AN ALL-STAR TEAM!!!" is retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098388)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:56 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate

I'm not saying they got to make an All-Star team,

but the leagues gets to set the rules for who they have access to.

The goal should be to get them set up as a not putrid, but not Stanley Cup caliber team.

If they've done it right, Vegas is a roughly .500 or so team.

The proof is in the pudding, that they didn't do it right.

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One of the advantages of an expansion team is that they have a totally clear salary cap, so when setting the rules for how many guys each team will get to protect, that has to be factored in

all I'm saying, is that clearly the league didn't do a good job of factoring that in

(I'm not saying figuring out these rules is an easy thing either, like I mentioned in the OP, the NFL didn't do a good job of it in 1995 either, and might have gone too far the other way when the Texans and Browns started)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098437)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: diverse immigrant lay

yea, their GM is the guy who put together a team around alex ovechkin that repeatedly failed to do jack shit in the playoffs. current GM worked for that guy and, apart from finally getting past the penguins and into the conference finals, is continuing that tradition.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098399)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:40 PM
Author: arousing cerise step-uncle's house

Preseason they were +9250 to win the West, tied for second-worst in conference. It was pretty fucking big.

But tbf higher degree of randomness in NHL playoffs than NBA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098320)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate

they've been pretty decent all year



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098377)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: Sinister fantasy-prone liquid oxygen tanning salon

The real story that nhl fans don’t want to discuss is that their sport is kind of a joke. While there is obviously skill involved with being a hockey player, the individual games are basically coin flips decided on the basis of a few lucky bounces.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098400)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: awkward contagious forum foreskin

Smells like duck sauce

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098418)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:55 PM
Author: Disrespectful menage hominid

tbf:

baseball - hugely subjective sport where the strike zone is different from minute to minute. no salary cap. ruined by replay

football - literally called "game of inches." "any given sunday" "that's why they play the game"; injuries and replay dominate sport

basketball - certainly more skill-oriented than the first two. officiating is still garbage, replay is awful, and plenty of rebounds and shots are literally "lucky bounces"

soccer is subjective as fuck and hugely based on luck

the sport where skill seems to actually matter is golf more often than not.

and motorsports, though its the crew that has the skill, not as much the driver



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098428)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 4:15 PM
Author: Fuchsia arrogant meetinghouse

in basketball, determinations of whether body contact constitutes a foul, and if so, on which team, are totally arbitrary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098580)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:55 PM
Author: galvanic theater stage internal respiration

i agree with this

as someone who is not a hockey fan, i couldn't understand why there wasn't more weight given to regular season record vs the playoffs. upsets are way more likely in the playoffs in the NHL than in the NBA for example.

i've actually long thought that American sports leagues should award 3 championships. first, the regular season league champion. second, the playoffs champion (which is on equal footing as the reg season champion). and third, the overall champion based upon a scoring rubric of the first two. that would seem to help reward year-long play more, and would also give the leagues a way to promote 3 different titles every year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098432)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 4:11 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate

in 2000 2 Teams were drafting -

26 of the 28 teams existing in the league at the time of the draft were each allowed to protect either one goaltender, five defensemen, and nine forwards or two goaltenders, three defensemen, and seven forwards. The Atlanta Thrashers and Nashville Predators had their entire rosters protected, as they were the two newest franchises in the league, only being in existence for one and two years respectively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NHL_Expansion_Draft

This year, only 1 team was drafting

The initial proposal of the rules for the draft were decided upon by the NHL in March 2016.[5] They allowed each team to either protect seven forwards, three defencemen, and one goaltender or, one goaltender and eight skaters regardless of position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NHL_Expansion_Draft

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So, teams got to protect fewer players from the expansion draft, despite only 1 team picking those players

lol at this fraud

"So amazing what they've been able to accomplish as an expansion team!!!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098555)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: Disrespectful menage hominid

yea man all those third line forwards were just RIPE. FOR. THE. PICKIN'.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36102009)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 10:37 AM
Author: Transparent degenerate

I mean, a lot of teams have younger players that they needed to protect, and overpaid guys on their top 2 lines that they were ok exposing

but yeah, if you get the pick the best player off the third line from each team, you wind up with a pretty deep and talented team

again, more players were exposed than in 2000, despite the fact that only 1 expansion team was picking those players

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36103788)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 10:41 AM
Author: Transparent degenerate

the real test here is going to be if they keep the same rule for the expansion draft for Seattle

and if they do, how good Seattle is out of the gate, if Seattle exceeds Vegas' 109 point season (or is close to it) right out of the gate,

this was a laughable fraud, lies season

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36103817)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: bistre maniacal rigpig

i just assume it's fixed. that's usually the underlying story when a "narrative" like this is enacted in "real" life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098603)



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Date: May 21st, 2018 9:13 PM
Author: Opaque address

Bet you are fun at parties

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36100722)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 10:42 AM
Author: Transparent degenerate

depends on your definition of fun I guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36103820)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:58 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36112959)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:03 PM
Author: Chrome brunch

it's a fucking embarrassment to the league, but the NHL is probably happy because it will justify adding a bunch more expansion teams, make it easier to sell those openings to potential cities and owners (you can compete right away!), and the league and owners can continue their ponzi scheme and collect those sweet, sweet exorbitant franchise fees.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36112996)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:06 PM
Author: Transparent degenerate

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36113024)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 11:10 PM
Author: awkward contagious forum foreskin

You mad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36142650)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 11:27 PM
Author: iridescent hall

a little, lol @ this manufactured FRAUD teaming dominating everyone else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36142708)