"Vegas Golden Knight - Cindarella story!" is the dumbest sports take of the year
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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Transparent degenerate
The quality of an expansion team is a function of the rules for who the existing teams got to protect in the expansion draft, how much cap space they got, the quality of the FA pool that year, etc
these teams fluctuate wildly based on what setup the league gives them.
When the NFL added the Jaguars and Panthers, they gave them a bunch of extra picks, and that was at the start of free agency, so they had a ton more cap room then everyone else, in their second year both teams made their conference championships.
Later when they added the Browns and Texans, they realized they didn't want to give expansion teams that big of advantage, so they didn't give them nearly as many extra draft picks, and those teams blew for a long time.
The success of an expansion team, is a function of the rule for setting them up.
The existing teams clearly gave Vegas too good of a setup.
This is the story of a fuck up happening somewhere.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098289) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:09 PM Author: Transparent degenerate
I want to add to this reply,
just because factors are difficult to price, doesn't mean that those factor aren't causally responsible for what follows
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36113044) |
Date: May 21st, 2018 3:37 PM Author: Ocher space
I think I remember that during the expansion draft, they were making deals to take players off of other teams hands who had big cap numbers, and getting additional picks/players as compensation.
Not really sure how much that contributed.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098307) |
Date: May 21st, 2018 3:39 PM Author: Disrespectful menage hominid
they were 500 to 1 before the season even once the rosters were named
their coach had literally been shitcanned at the visitors arena at his last job. wasn't even allowed to ride the bus back to the airport.
the bigger "scandal" here is that most NHL GMs and scouts are pedophiliac retards that constantly get nepotistically recycled into these jobs with no accountability and it really isn't difficult to put a competitive team together if you have even a scintilla of an eye for talent.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098319) |
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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:45 PM Author: Transparent degenerate
that's what I hate
that's obviously not the right takeaway
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between the Vegas GM having a rare 'scintilla of a eye for talent'
and him just having a good structural setup where a lot of good players were available to him because he has tons of cap room and favorable rules for who the other teams can protect
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the second explanation makes way more sense
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098359) |
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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:50 PM Author: Disrespectful menage hominid
and yet the only players that most hockey fans have ever heard of are fleury, neal, and MAYBE reilly smith
and again, some of these acquisitions were not via the expansion draft. if you're arguing cap room, ok i guess, not like everyone didn't have the same floor and the same cap.
this hindsight narrative that "THEY GOT TO MAKE AN ALL-STAR TEAM!!!" is retarded
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098388) |
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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:56 PM Author: Transparent degenerate
I'm not saying they got to make an All-Star team,
but the leagues gets to set the rules for who they have access to.
The goal should be to get them set up as a not putrid, but not Stanley Cup caliber team.
If they've done it right, Vegas is a roughly .500 or so team.
The proof is in the pudding, that they didn't do it right.
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One of the advantages of an expansion team is that they have a totally clear salary cap, so when setting the rules for how many guys each team will get to protect, that has to be factored in
all I'm saying, is that clearly the league didn't do a good job of factoring that in
(I'm not saying figuring out these rules is an easy thing either, like I mentioned in the OP, the NFL didn't do a good job of it in 1995 either, and might have gone too far the other way when the Texans and Browns started)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098437) |
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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:55 PM Author: Disrespectful menage hominid
tbf:
baseball - hugely subjective sport where the strike zone is different from minute to minute. no salary cap. ruined by replay
football - literally called "game of inches." "any given sunday" "that's why they play the game"; injuries and replay dominate sport
basketball - certainly more skill-oriented than the first two. officiating is still garbage, replay is awful, and plenty of rebounds and shots are literally "lucky bounces"
soccer is subjective as fuck and hugely based on luck
the sport where skill seems to actually matter is golf more often than not.
and motorsports, though its the crew that has the skill, not as much the driver
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098428)
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Date: May 21st, 2018 3:55 PM Author: galvanic theater stage internal respiration
i agree with this
as someone who is not a hockey fan, i couldn't understand why there wasn't more weight given to regular season record vs the playoffs. upsets are way more likely in the playoffs in the NHL than in the NBA for example.
i've actually long thought that American sports leagues should award 3 championships. first, the regular season league champion. second, the playoffs champion (which is on equal footing as the reg season champion). and third, the overall champion based upon a scoring rubric of the first two. that would seem to help reward year-long play more, and would also give the leagues a way to promote 3 different titles every year.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098432) |
Date: May 21st, 2018 4:11 PM Author: Transparent degenerate
in 2000 2 Teams were drafting -
26 of the 28 teams existing in the league at the time of the draft were each allowed to protect either one goaltender, five defensemen, and nine forwards or two goaltenders, three defensemen, and seven forwards. The Atlanta Thrashers and Nashville Predators had their entire rosters protected, as they were the two newest franchises in the league, only being in existence for one and two years respectively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NHL_Expansion_Draft
This year, only 1 team was drafting
The initial proposal of the rules for the draft were decided upon by the NHL in March 2016.[5] They allowed each team to either protect seven forwards, three defencemen, and one goaltender or, one goaltender and eight skaters regardless of position.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NHL_Expansion_Draft
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So, teams got to protect fewer players from the expansion draft, despite only 1 team picking those players
lol at this fraud
"So amazing what they've been able to accomplish as an expansion team!!!"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36098555) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2018 10:37 AM Author: Transparent degenerate
I mean, a lot of teams have younger players that they needed to protect, and overpaid guys on their top 2 lines that they were ok exposing
but yeah, if you get the pick the best player off the third line from each team, you wind up with a pretty deep and talented team
again, more players were exposed than in 2000, despite the fact that only 1 expansion team was picking those players
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36103788) |
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Date: May 22nd, 2018 10:41 AM Author: Transparent degenerate
the real test here is going to be if they keep the same rule for the expansion draft for Seattle
and if they do, how good Seattle is out of the gate, if Seattle exceeds Vegas' 109 point season (or is close to it) right out of the gate,
this was a laughable fraud, lies season
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3982993&forum_id=2#36103817) |
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