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Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot
  05/22/18
What’s a good budget for a screen porch, 12 x 18, nice but n...
razzle parlor antidepressant drug
  05/22/18
question everything
Very Tactful Shivering Hell
  05/22/18
how is that going to help if you don't know the range of pos...
Wonderful senate
  05/22/18
You should know the range of possible non-bullshit answers o...
Fluffy Hall Queen Of The Night
  05/22/18
they would absolutely run train on "high IQ" xo po...
Wonderful senate
  05/22/18
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mahogany thirsty liquid oxygen legal warrant
  05/22/18
Unless, of course, I happen to have deep construction law ex...
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
*smugly notes that contractor failed to file the appropriate...
irate spot
  05/23/18
make it a project to educate yourself. friends, google, neig...
Very Tactful Shivering Hell
  05/22/18
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pungent abnormal orchestra pit potus
  05/22/18
i am talking about shit like making you use more expensive m...
Very Tactful Shivering Hell
  05/22/18
Ur fucked. Embrace this to avoid crushing disappointment.
Thriller Startling Lodge
  05/22/18
disappointing fucks... that's rich coming from tmf's wife
Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot
  05/22/18
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pungent abnormal orchestra pit potus
  05/22/18
only hire a GC if you absolutely need one. if it's a lot of ...
mauve bat-shit-crazy ticket booth gaming laptop
  05/22/18
Get multiple bids and make sure contractors know you're gett...
blue odious field trust fund
  05/22/18
the problem is that literally every contractor will read OP ...
Wonderful senate
  05/22/18
True or they will say fuck it and not take the job
blue odious field trust fund
  05/22/18
Google median price per square foot in your zip code. It's l...
Frozen confused address indirect expression
  05/22/18
*guy who billed clients $125k for his poasting time in 2017 ...
Indecent Trump Supporter Nursing Home
  05/22/18
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Trip kink-friendly base selfie
  05/22/18
If you pay upfront... LOLOLOLLLLOLOLOLLLOL You get wha...
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
What about 1/2 upfront, the rest upon completion?
talented mad cow disease
  05/22/18
My general answer is no. They probably have lien rights. ...
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
Standard is 1/3 up front w further installments commensurate...
blue odious field trust fund
  05/22/18
I would never pay that much upfront on any large project.
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
Define large project
Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot
  05/22/18
Depends on your comfort with risk.
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
$30k budget to resurface/retile pool and put in pavers/concr...
Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot
  05/22/18
lol you do not need a GC for this just ask around until y...
mauve bat-shit-crazy ticket booth gaming laptop
  05/22/18
i never said i needed a GC, hoss just do concrete yoursel...
Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot
  05/22/18
How long is that supposed to take?
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
no idea. just starting process now
Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot
  05/22/18
that doesn't sound completely nuts but depends on magnitude ...
blue odious field trust fund
  05/22/18
(contractor)
180 citrine hissy fit hospital
  05/22/18
Fixed price construction paid in installments as the work is...
180 citrine hissy fit hospital
  05/22/18
There's even an industry term: progress payments. And for...
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
The AIA publishes the standard form contracts for the indust...
Frozen confused address indirect expression
  05/22/18
They're fine but overkill for many home projects.
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
They have cut down versions for home renos. Not every AIA ag...
Frozen confused address indirect expression
  05/22/18
Sure, the A105 is for smaller projects. I'd consider it f...
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
You REALLY don't want to use a contractor for the first time...
supple brindle electric furnace brunch
  05/22/18
Remember: Arizona has some special laws regarding pool contr...
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
In some states, you can fuck a contractor out of payment if ...
costumed sanctuary
  05/22/18
then you're left with a half finished shitstorm in your back...
blue odious field trust fund
  05/22/18
always pay with a check, NEVER pay with cash, they will pret...
sooty sticky stag film
  05/22/18


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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:47 PM
Author: Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106921)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 8:45 PM
Author: razzle parlor antidepressant drug

What’s a good budget for a screen porch, 12 x 18, nice but not ultra premium finishes in a neighborhood with $220-240 sqft house prices. Raise on brick footings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107993)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: Very Tactful Shivering Hell

question everything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106923)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: Wonderful senate

how is that going to help if you don't know the range of possible non-bullshit answers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106926)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:50 PM
Author: Fluffy Hall Queen Of The Night

You should know the range of possible non-bullshit answers or they will run roughshod over you. Contractors are the closest thing to a scheming kike that gentiles have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106933)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:51 PM
Author: Wonderful senate

they would absolutely run train on "high IQ" xo posters, none of whom know anything serious about building construction or maintenance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106936)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: mahogany thirsty liquid oxygen legal warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106957)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:41 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

Unless, of course, I happen to have deep construction law experience, which is true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107252)



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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: irate spot

*smugly notes that contractor failed to file the appropriate lien, as he writes a check for twice market rate to a guy who banged his wife while he was in court*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36113139)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: Very Tactful Shivering Hell

make it a project to educate yourself. friends, google, neighbors - gather basic info. then be hypervigilant so that you notice when something doesn't logically mesh with the basics you know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106955)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: pungent abnormal orchestra pit potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106961)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:59 PM
Author: Very Tactful Shivering Hell

i am talking about shit like making you use more expensive materials, overpaying for unnecessarily complex work, refusing to do things a certain way because it's a hassle for them, etc. it doesn't matter if the contractor is good or bad, they all do this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106981)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:49 PM
Author: Thriller Startling Lodge

Ur fucked. Embrace this to avoid crushing disappointment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106930)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:50 PM
Author: Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot

disappointing fucks... that's rich coming from tmf's wife

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106935)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:51 PM
Author: pungent abnormal orchestra pit potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106938)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:56 PM
Author: mauve bat-shit-crazy ticket booth gaming laptop

only hire a GC if you absolutely need one. if it's a lot of work, then you probably need one. but if it's a small project, you can manage the subs yourself to save money. if you've got a competent wife, she can even manage the project while you're at work all day

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106960)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 5:59 PM
Author: blue odious field trust fund

Get multiple bids and make sure contractors know you're getting bids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36106977)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:07 PM
Author: Wonderful senate

the problem is that literally every contractor will read OP as an UMC faggot from the second his voice hits their ear, so it's going to be all high bids with one low bid, and the low bid will be a straight up scam/fraud/bait-and-switch whose mess you'll end up having to hire ANOTHER contractor to fix

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107029)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: blue odious field trust fund

True or they will say fuck it and not take the job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107119)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:09 PM
Author: Frozen confused address indirect expression

Google median price per square foot in your zip code. It's like $220 in NYC. Pay not one cent over median.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107401)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:32 PM
Author: Indecent Trump Supporter Nursing Home

*guy who billed clients $125k for his poasting time in 2017 concerned about paying for unnecessary granite countertops

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107180)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:40 PM
Author: Trip kink-friendly base selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107249)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:39 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

If you pay upfront...

LOLOLOLLLLOLOLOLLLOL

You get what you deserve.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107237)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:40 PM
Author: talented mad cow disease

What about 1/2 upfront, the rest upon completion?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107247)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:44 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

My general answer is no.

They probably have lien rights. They don't need to worry about getting paid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107272)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:46 PM
Author: blue odious field trust fund

Standard is 1/3 up front w further installments commensurate w progress of job. The bitch is you may not be able to get someone to do the job under these terms as contractor labor is often scarce in the current RE market

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107280)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:51 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

I would never pay that much upfront on any large project.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107307)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot

Define large project

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107329)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

Depends on your comfort with risk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107338)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot

$30k budget to resurface/retile pool and put in pavers/concrete in a bunch of places. Tolerance for fuck-ups is low

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107343)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:03 PM
Author: mauve bat-shit-crazy ticket booth gaming laptop

lol you do not need a GC for this

just ask around until you get referred to a good pool guy. if you don't have a big circle of friends, just drive around a couple of rich neighborhoods and look for nice pools and knock on their doors and ask them who did their pool and if they would recommend them

and do the pavers and concrete yourself, come on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107367)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:05 PM
Author: Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot

i never said i needed a GC, hoss

just do concrete yourself and maybe sever a utility line or two, nbd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107383)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:05 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

How long is that supposed to take?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107380)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:06 PM
Author: Hideous School Cafeteria Coffee Pot

no idea. just starting process now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107388)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 8:12 PM
Author: blue odious field trust fund

that doesn't sound completely nuts but depends on magnitude of paver/concrete work. For example are you talking about leveling out and paving a sloped surface to install a patio or something bc that is a SHITLOAD of work (just did it for a spa pad myself and it was 50-60 hrs of hard labor). Concrete is surprisingly expensive and the gravel etc you need as a base is as well.

You should be able to get a "scope of work" doc that's essentially your contract and also includes a materials vs labor breakdown, etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107818)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: 180 citrine hissy fit hospital

(contractor)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107319)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:52 PM
Author: 180 citrine hissy fit hospital

Fixed price construction paid in installments as the work is completed. Clause imposing daily penalties if project not completed by predetermined deadline.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107317)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

There's even an industry term: progress payments.

And for larger projects, you should be withholding retention/retainage (usually 10%) until substantial or final completion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107336)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:07 PM
Author: Frozen confused address indirect expression

The AIA publishes the standard form contracts for the industry. They have home versions. They have like 200 sample contracts. Find the right one. Use that. Most decent contractors know what AIA is and use the form agreements or close enough to the same.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107394)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

They're fine but overkill for many home projects.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107473)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Frozen confused address indirect expression

They have cut down versions for home renos. Not every AIA agreement is for large projects. You just have to find the right one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107500)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:31 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

Sure, the A105 is for smaller projects.

I'd consider it for that $30k project, but you'll have to handle the provisions regarding architects.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107563)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: supple brindle electric furnace brunch

You REALLY don't want to use a contractor for the first time on a big project. If there are any smaller projects around the house that would entail using the same type of contractor that you are on the fence about performing, pull the trigger on the smaller project first. Then view it as a test run.

Many people up thread are discussing various contractual provision to include. As least with respect to residential construction projects short of very large additions or entirely new construction, you are already in a world of pain if you ever need to start asserting your rights under a contract as a form of leverage against your contractor. As such, include whatever terms in the contract you feel are necessary, but it is much more important that you and the contractor reach a detailed, mutual understanding on how the project will be carried out.

Once this mutual understanding is reached, follow up with an email outlining your understanding. This should include (1) anticipated start date and completion date, the work the contractor will perform and the work that he will subcontract out; (3) when the work that is subcontracted out will start and whether the contractor has firm commitments from subs to start on that date; and (4) whether the contractor will work on any other projects while your project is ongoing.

All of this is the type of stuff that may be included in a contract, but the main point is to remove as much wiggle room as possible concerning what the contractor views to be his personal commitment to you. If the contractor is working on two projects, one of which is yours, you followed the above advic,e and other person didn't, you stand a much better chance of having the contractor prioritize your project over the other person.

If at all possible, get the contractor to agree to work exclusively on your project from beginning to end. Contractors are busy now, and many try to juggle multiple projects to maximize their profits. If I had to guess, this is the number one reason residential construction projects experience significant delays.

Start the permit application process well in advance of the project. Bonus points for any contractor who has experience working with the city's building department and has a good relationship with the department.

EDIT: Just saw the comment where you specified the nature of the work. Start taking your dog for walks in the evening and knock on the door of every house that has a pool to ask who they have used and whether they are happy. People will love having an opportunity to discuss their pool projects with you. You can also jump on the next door app to see what people say about contractors, but this is a distant second place to just knocking on doors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107468)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 8:16 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

Remember: Arizona has some special laws regarding pool contractors precisely because they're a special breed of sleazy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107845)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 7:21 PM
Author: costumed sanctuary

In some states, you can fuck a contractor out of payment if it isn't properly licensed. So there's always that option.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107489)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 8:15 PM
Author: blue odious field trust fund

then you're left with a half finished shitstorm in your backyard in OPs case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107839)



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Date: May 22nd, 2018 8:15 PM
Author: sooty sticky stag film

always pay with a check, NEVER pay with cash, they will pretend that you never paid them. they're all sleazy as fuck. if you don't like your current one then just hire a new one, they're a dime a dozen, no matter how remote of an area you live in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3983942&forum_id=2#36107832)