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Parents - thoughts on regression to the mean
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:43 AM Author: white library becky Does this worry or depress you?
You and your shrew have high IQ, study and strive, and your kid comes out as some 110 IQ spoiled shit head. How would you feel if this happened?
How does it make you feel to know it's statistically more likely than having a kid like yourself?
Before you reply that your 110 IQ kid will be a fratty jock, remember they'll still inherit your short stature, weak musculature, boyfriend grade penis, and forgettable facial aesthetics. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:05 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park Both my kids are bright as fuck, so not worried about it.
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:25 PM Author: elite clear lodge They will likely be middle class at best, bright or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36115341) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 2:10 AM Author: stimulating native Nothing wrong with that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36117008) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 2:22 AM Author: Supple Trailer Park I'm not sure if anything else is "better" than middle class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36117026) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 2:48 PM Author: Slate dog poop If you just have middle class expectations for them then don't be too Asian and over invest in their education. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36120047) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 4:29 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park I have high expectations for my kids in a lot of areas, but I don't associate becoming higher social class with being better. Obviously I don't want them to have to scrape by and worry about the basics, but I don't associate typical measures of high achievement with higher life satisfaction.
At any rate, I definitely don't plan on over-investing (financially) in their education. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Slate dog poop Yeah don't pay 500k for JHU.
How will you try to deal with the problem of high risk of a mild form of Asperger's among the boys? |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 4:47 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park My son is on the opposite end of the introversion/extroversion spectrum. We joke that he'll probably become a politician or something. My only worry of that type w/r/t him is that he seems to have that type of personality that I associate with addicts/alcoholics I've known. He's six, and I'm not seriously worried about it, though.
My daughter is much more introverted/shy/timid. It's a shame because she's very talented but doesn't like taking risks or trying things where she might fail. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 4:51 PM Author: talented bbw milk sounds more like the type of personality that I associate with homosexuals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36120928) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 4:54 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park Well, you never know. He's into a bunch of boy shit (video games, wrestling, etc.), but that's not necessarily exclusive of homosexuality. I guess we'll find out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36120945) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 2:09 AM Author: stimulating native 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36117005) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park Nice kids, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36120828) |
Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:50 AM Author: histrionic wild den circlehead I see my role as parent as selfless. To do my best to provide each child with tools and opportunities to succeed and the confidence to take risks.
I don't really think a super high IQ is necessary to live a fulfilling life. I would not feel saddened at all in the likely case that either or both of my children has a roughly average IQ. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:58 AM Author: white library becky *it is 1950s America*
Middling IQ proles live like animals in this country today. Your Joe Average kid isn't going to work at the Ford factory for a wage sufficient to raise a family of his own where he gets decent treatment on the job, paid pension and retirement. He'll be using a piss jug to meet impossible some items per hour goal imposed by faceless corporate overlords at an Amazon warehouse for $11.75/hr, working overtime to pay the rent. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:00 PM Author: twisted weed whacker Lol no.
A robot will have that job |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:02 PM Author: white library becky Damn. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111596) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:44 PM Author: Medicated Saffron Range How much are we paying the robot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113298) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:56 AM Author: white library becky Robot Teamsters demanding more frequent oiling and sex robot visits once a week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36118849) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:02 PM Author: histrionic wild den circlehead lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111597) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 1:55 PM Author: flesh autistic garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112492) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:25 PM Author: Slate dog poop This is what the most advanced Chinese warehouse looks like today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QndP_PCRSw |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:36 PM Author: Ocher Rough-skinned Whorehouse Shitlib wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113246) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:30 PM Author: Cruel-hearted azn ratface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114433) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:27 PM Author: floppy center giraffe lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114395) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:03 PM Author: contagious water buffalo locus Doesn’t bother me in the least. Also, if anything, lower IQ people live happier lives.
Having children should not be an exercise in vanity.
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:06 PM Author: orange round eye skinny woman your poasting has been very strong lately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111628) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:06 PM Author: histrionic wild den circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111631) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:07 PM Author: white library becky Vanity? You want your children to be happy and succeed, go on to have more of their own, not become reproductive dead ends.
The Low IQ = Happy meme is complete flame. The only happier dumb people are ones who have Down Syndrome because it messes with other parts of their brain. XO romanticizes prole life but many of those people are deeply unhappy, and they lack the resources to even try to improve their bad situation.
You notice all the smart people around you who are depressed/drunks/fucked up because they succeed at the margins despite those faults. Dumbs have the same exact issues and the outcomes are even more devastating. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: boyish friendly grandma yeah the 'high IQ = less happy' flame is some weak flame. anybody who is actually high IQ knows that this is false. being smart is living life on easy mode, period
dumb people are not happier than smart people. they have all the same problems, just less tools to solve them with |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:17 PM Author: white library becky At most you could say high IQ people might be more prone to some existential rumination, but that pales in comparison to true debilitating mental illness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111730) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:18 PM Author: orange round eye skinny woman for example, xoxohth.com. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111739) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 12:01 AM Author: Milky step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36116455) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:47 PM Author: contagious water buffalo locus Don’t care about them having success or having grandchildren. Their happiness matters and success and money isn’t tied to that beyond a certain minimum. I’m there to help out with the money part so that reduces a lot of the stress associated with having no money.
IQ is hardly the downfall of proles. It’s mostly things like poor impulse control, poor emotional self regulation etc that result from having shitty genes and being in that sort of environment surrounded by people who make poor choices that leads to a lot of problems and unhappiness. Their IQ isn’t that important.
I worry a lot about mundane things (am I ruining oral hygiene by not brushing molars enough) and important things (how to encourage empathy and kindness), but IQ is not one of them. I do think about emotional IQ because how you interact with and understand people and yourself makes a big difference in life.
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:36 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor "IQ is hardly the downfall of proles. It’s mostly things like poor impulse control, poor emotional self regulation etc that result from having shitty genes and being in that sort of environment surrounded by people who make poor choices that leads to a lot of problems and unhappiness. Their IQ isn’t that important."
(spoken like someone who forgets what interacting with 95-110 IQ proles is like) Low IQ people are legit fucked, even if they're responsible and well-meaning. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:01 PM Author: contagious water buffalo locus Nah my husband’s extended family is filled with low IQ proles. The ones who are fucked are those who do shit like buy a boat on credit, get into drug dealing, marry and divorce 3x before 30. There are a bunch who are cable repairmen or whatever with their fat wives and stupid children but otherwise lead normal happy lives.
In any case, none of this stuff is relevant to me or my kids anyway. Just hope my kids don’t be up being writers for slate.
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:18 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor "There are a bunch who are cable repairmen or whatever with their fat wives and stupid children but otherwise lead normal happy lives."
I don't for a second believe that you would be happy with this result. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:33 PM Author: Ocher Rough-skinned Whorehouse Shitlib I like Nutella and think her parenting advice is generally right on. Her heart is in the right place and she wants her kids to have happier childhoods than she did, which is admirable.
I also agree with you that she would not be happy with this -- there's just no way. She has given her kids too much for this to be the outcome. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:40 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor Exactly. And incidentally, I agree with wanting for your kids to have a better childhood than you did. My parents (mom especially) were super concerned that I would have it too good and not have that hard edge Russians have so they basically made sure I was always stressed as shit. I have no intention of doing that. But I still want them to be really successful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113269) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 5:04 PM Author: contagious water buffalo locus Given the environment and unbringing, it’s unlikely they will end up cable repairman or blue collar workers (though my contractor makes a shitton of money and I’d love that outcome). Much more likely they become slate writers. What’s worse? $50k as cable repairman or slate writer with no health benefits? I’d much prefer a cable repairman to a slate writer. I’d prefer a slightly more respectable outcome, yes, but I don’t expect more than something mediocre like compliance monkey. That’s still shitty, but whatever. Just be a respectable, responsible person. I’m not lying when I say that as long as they’re happy and we have a good relationship, I’ll be pretty satisfied. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113881) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 5:45 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor "I don’t expect more than something mediocre like compliance monkey. That’s still shitty, but whatever."
Omg, I feel like this is you affirming my life choices! Wow! |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:08 PM Author: contagious water buffalo locus Lol, I was thinking of Valen bragging about being a hot shot MD in BIGCOMPLIANCE, but all you Russians are the same. Your autism aside, you have a work ethic and practicality that is difficult to replicate in kids from non-commie country upbringings/cultures, and particularly in kids who grow up more privileged as yours will be.
I’m sure you and Mandy want to be hardasses, but your kids may not cooperate. You should be prepared for defeat since the older they get, the more they become their own person and the more their peers influence them and less you.
You should think about why you have a desire to have very successful children. Either you’re projecting onto them your own insecurities and want to feel good about yourself through their success or you’re afraid of feeling shame and blame yourself if they turn out to be losers. Taking the credit and the blame are both unhealthy and ignores the reality that your children are, first and foremost, their own persons, not extensions of you. I urge you to think of this before you have kids. Otherwise you will be severely frustrated when things don’t go as planned, and they never do. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:23 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor I'm joking, I'm not in compliance.
I'll be happy if they grow up to be normal umc wagecucks like us. Of course I'll feel like total failure or success will reflect on us. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 5:06 PM Author: contagious water buffalo locus (Living vicariously through tmf’s and Mandy jr’s V50 biglaw and Accenture jobs) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36121018) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:39 PM Author: Cobalt cerebral pozpig principal's office she was wrong about everything she said about proles, of course (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112826) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:42 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112850) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:32 PM Author: Chest-beating wonderful pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114450) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:44 PM Author: sinister exciting laser beams heaven i'm on board with nutella (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112864) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:54 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor Really? You don't care if your kids are losers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112926) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 4:27 PM Author: sinister exciting laser beams heaven they'll end up worse if i vicariously strive through them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36120738) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:25 PM Author: histrionic wild den circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36115342) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:35 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor Nailed it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112806) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:32 PM Author: Ocher Rough-skinned Whorehouse Shitlib You are saying this (much like your comment yesterday about colleges) from the position of someone who went to an exceptional HS, an Ivy, a top LS, worked at top firms (at one time, anyway...), hit an absolute grand slam with an in-house job (from a fucking Indeed posting!), has a top 0.1% income, lives in what is a dream location for a lot of people, is happily married, and has 1.5 healthy children.
Don't discount what it's like to be on the outside looking in. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:54 PM Author: contagious water buffalo locus And statistically speaking, my children will not be as successfully as me, so why would I stress about the outcome or even want them to try to replicate the same path? They will be financially comfortable, not RSF level obviously, but they can work a normal job making whatever equivalent is to $100k in 20-30 years and they will have properties to live in and have a nice nest egg when we die. I’d like them to at least work a respectable job, but why do I want them to be any more successful than that to feel good about myself?
If you look at the grown adult children of people I work with in their 50s , their kids are lucky to go to USC (Pepperdine if dumb), and end up becoming a speech therapist or doing internships at UTA through a connection from their parents. I don’t see how that’s any more of a failure than being a cable repairman or plumber. Cable repairman is prob preferable actually. And their parents are still proud and happy for them. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:43 PM Author: Sickened slimy public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113293) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:31 PM Author: floppy center giraffe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114442) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:26 PM Author: elite clear lodge lol @ you play pretending on xo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36115345) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:26 PM Author: Diverse outnumbered doctorate citation needed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36115705) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:09 PM Author: Ebony piazza I'm insecure about my intelligence so it will be hard for me to not project that into my keed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111647) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: histrionic wild den circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111679) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:14 PM Author: white library becky There's nothing you can do about it though. Unless they're starving or exposed to drugs and lead paint in the house, most kids in the US are going to max their genetic potential.
Guess it's like having a shortmo. You can't stretch them lol. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:20 PM Author: Ebony piazza the kicker is I married high IQ so if the keed ends up kinda dumb, because I'm insecure, I will always attribute it to MY genes MY low IQ MY deficiencies
that's who I am as a person - I respect poasters who have the resolve to push past that but I'm going to have to be very intentional and do a lot of work to avoid projecting through over-action or under-action
I go to therapy for it and it kinda works - my top priority is the keed feels so much more loved than I did, second is they are curious, then maybe do whatever I can to nurture a desire to learn and understand things rather than just caring about achievement |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:25 PM Author: white library becky Are you tall at least? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111795) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:26 PM Author: Ebony piazza I am 5'7, husband is 6'3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111801) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: white library becky I'll pray for your sanity if kid grows up to be a 5'10" (rounded up, naturally) middling IQ bro. :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111819) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Ebony piazza ty ty ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111864) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 1:54 PM Author: Comical legal warrant if you have a dotter she'll be 5'10. i suggest starving stacy into kate moss shape starting at 6 mos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112489) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:05 PM Author: Ebony piazza I hope I never have a dotter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113460) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:07 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor We're both short so I hope we only have dotters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113473) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:08 PM Author: Ebony piazza good luck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113480) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:09 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor You too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113488) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:16 PM Author: Passionate Idiot Locale lol of course your in therapy. maybe you should take the $ you piss away on that and save it up for tutors and SAT prep if you're so worried your kid going to be a dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112681) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:04 PM Author: Ebony piazza pumo wisdom right here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113454) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 5:02 PM Author: Passionate Idiot Locale cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113868) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 4:37 PM Author: Passionate Idiot Locale more wisdom: you're more self absorbed than you are insecure. focus on being a better person to the ppl you care about and less focus on your own bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36120820) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:10 PM Author: sinister exciting laser beams heaven "boyfriend grade penis" is a 180 turn of phrase (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111655) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:11 PM Author: white library becky (Your future 110 IQ son posting on /r/incels) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111672) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:12 PM Author: histrionic wild den circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111680) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:22 PM Author: Slap-happy brilliant spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114364) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:13 PM Author: Vivacious plum abode yarmulke Lol at the supposedly high IQ (but obviously prole) losers ITT. There are plenty of 110 IQs in the upper class. As long as your kid is reading books, learning fratty life sports (golf, tennis, squash, sailing, skiing, etc.), and acting/dressing classy, they will be able to make it on their own. I would be more worried about having my kid develop into a 150 IQ aspie than a 110 IQ Chad. It's like the Hank Williams song "A Country Boy Can Survive":
We came from the country clubs And Aspen and Palm Beach And we can wax our skis, hit a backhand, hitch a bowline Chad will survive, WASP folk can survive! |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:16 PM Author: white library becky LOL even if you have enough money to let your dumb kid live that kind of lifestyle, they will hook up with a dumb wife, have even dumber kids who will squander it all as you watch helplessly from your death bed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111712) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:23 PM Author: Vivacious plum abode yarmulke There will be outliers along the way, and their job is to replenish the family war chest. It does not take that much money to live as a member of the upper class. It’s UMC strivers who need Mercedes AMG crossovers. Believe me the cheapest people at my CC are the wealthiest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111783) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:27 PM Author: white library becky Yeah very important not to let them have all the money at an early age, especially if dumb. Look at RSF. JFC I'd eat a bullet if he was my son. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111809) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:24 PM Author: vigorous pisswyrm theatre don't worry OP you'll never reproduce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111792) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:28 PM Author: white library becky Thanks TSINAH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111823) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:30 PM Author: flesh autistic garrison The best way to avoid this is see how your wife's siblings and parents are. Especially wife's mother. Look at how smart they all are and then it's more likely that she's not smart by fluke and your kids will have better shot at not being super regression pwned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111845) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:41 PM Author: boyish friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111953) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:43 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor Looking at my family and my wife's family, no one is fucking up because they lack IQ (maybe ironically her super Jewy grandma but I only saw her when she was super old). Plenty of them are fucking up because they have shit priorities, bad culture, shitty work ethic, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36111962) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:42 PM Author: Indecent Mind-boggling Casino Corn Cake yes, we know you're russian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113282) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:44 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor I will note that the number of really successful/rich people is pretty impressive though. Russians tend to either make it or flame out massively. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113300) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 12:56 PM Author: Spruce location We're in an era of assortative mating that seeks out close to par-levels of education. I'm not sure regression to the mean applies in the way that it did in the past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112044) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 1:46 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich It’s a fundamental principle of genetics. Use Google before you say dumb shit like this please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112418) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 1:53 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park Explain how the mechanism works, then, if it's so obvious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112484) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:12 PM Author: white library becky Jfc you aren't really this stupid are you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112643) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:33 PM Author: Spruce location You can achieve a 100 median IQ for a population a number of different ways. In a scenario where the population is mixing somewhat randomly, a couple might be able to observe some sort of blended IQ in their own children that is lower than one partner but above another.
However, if the population mates in such a way that high IQ is partnering with high IQ and similarly the same is occurring for low IQ; across the population (assuming each couple has same # of kids) you'll still get a 100 median across the population as a whole, but within each couple's children the IQ will remain similar to those of the parents.
It's the whole fucking reason why you can bet money when Lavar Ball marries his athlete wife he winds up with pro-athletes. Same thing for Del Curry and his athlete wife (UVA volleyball) having pro athlete kids. Assortative mating is precisely how you develop and emphasize characteristics that are not commonly found through random mating. Oh look, two people who are super tall and can jump through the ceiling have kids that can do the same. Do you think they were worried that "regression to the mean" was going to mean their kids were somehow less inclined to be as athletic as they were? |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:54 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park Check out this older article and, somewhat more interestingly, the comments. I think talking about "regression to the mean" in some broad sense is not necessarily very useful in any individual case.
https://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/07/assortative-mating-regression-and-all.html |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:31 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich What do you mean? That link only my supports my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113206) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:17 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park "What mean?" is the key question. The overall human mean? The mean for a particular race? Your familial mean? If both parents come from a families with wildly differing IQs, I think it's reasonable to expect a greater differential between the parental midpoint and the kid's IQ. If both parents are high IQ and come from pretty consistently high IQ families on both sides, several generations back, then it's less likely that the parents are really outliers, and it's reasonable to expect less regression to the overall mean in the kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114330) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:33 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich Sure. But — as you state — there will virtually always be some regression on average in that case. Which is all I’m trying to establish. Don’t care about estimating magnitude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114452) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 7:32 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park I guess the only exception would be if the two "high IQ" parents are actually mean IQ parents for their relevant subgroup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114742) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:31 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich If two high IQ parents mate, the average expected IQ of their offspring will be less than the parents’. This is what is meant by regression to the mean, and it is not addressed by your post at all.
Again, please don’t spout off about topics you don’t know about. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:42 PM Author: boyish friendly grandma yup
guys you can just google this and learn how it works in less than 10 minutes |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:56 PM Author: 180 sweet tailpipe Depends on the prevalence of high-IQ genes in the families.
Regression to the mean doesn't apply when you lump together genetically dissimilar population groups who are not mating. For example, if we included a billion Africans into our new "world IQ" so that the average American is now +2 SD, do you really think Chad and Becky's kids expected IQ just went down? |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:10 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich Assuming chad and Becky are average Americans, they’ll still revert to average American IQ (on average). This doesn’t deny my point, you’re just changing what the baseline is called. Africans are not really relevant to the OP’s example. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114292) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:20 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park But when you narrow the groups down further and further (from world IQ, to racial IQ, to family IQ) the mean to which the child may regress may in fact be similar to the high-IQ parents.
In other words, the high IQ parents may be outliers compared to the world population, but not to their families. In which case, you would expect less regression.
Now stop talking down to people as if you are the only person who can converse about this. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:31 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich Sorry, but there is imo some really severe ignorance on display in other posts.
It’s true that if I have perfect genetic information about both parents then I expect — handwaving here — a normal distribution of children’s IQ about parent mean IQ. But this is not the case with the hypo in the OP (unless everyone here is getting their genome sequenced).
Also, “family IQ” is not super relevant here. The parents’ genetic makeup is all that actually matters for the child. It’s true that if I give you progressively info about the parents I can predict their genetic contribution to IQ better. But again, this was not the situation in the OP, where the only facts given are that the parents are high IQ and we are otherwise operating under a veil of ignorance.
Further, if by high IQ we mean like 3 SD or above, it’s highly unlikely you can produce any amount of background info short of a direct genetic test that would make a reasonable person think regression won’t happen on average. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 7:31 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park I think the post that started this subthread posited that assortive mating would result in less than expected regression, which does not strike me as too far off base (and on a grander scale is how you get certain populations with a higher average IQ). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114734) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:00 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich That seems like a very charitable reading, but I’ll drop it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36115554) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:42 PM Author: Spruce location Clarify, when you say regression to the mean, are you focusing on the entire population, or what would be the mean for a particular subgroup. I'll give you that two 120IQ parents might have a 110IQ child, but not that they're more likely to produce a 90IQ imbecile to pull back toward 100. Otherwise, you wouldn't have Ashkenazi IQ consistently being above 100 (I think ~110). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113742) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:07 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich I’m working under the assumption we have chosen two high IQ parents uniformly at random from the population and have no additional knowledge of their background or genetic makeup.
The point should still hold in your example though, because no group mean is +2SD in IQ or athletic ability or whatever.
No one is saying high IQ parents are more likely to produce sub-average IQ spawn, btw. Just closer to average but still above it. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:41 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park If you can't or don't care to explain the mechanism, you could just say so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112837) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:29 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich The explanation on Wikipedia is fairly clear. Does that not suffice for you? Typing on phone so a full wall of text is annoying to write out. But I will do it if you deem it necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113194) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:22 PM Author: Supple Trailer Park First, I was responding to the other poaster (unless that's one of your alts).
Second, discussing the mechanism is important because (as later posts have shown), the anticipated regression depends on the particular case and background facts. |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 1:48 PM Author: Pearly Athletic Conference Telephone If you actually think like this you probably shouldn't be a parent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112448) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:43 PM Author: Medicated Saffron Range I'd like you to raise 5 down syndrome babies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113291) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:58 PM Author: Pearly Athletic Conference Telephone Is that what regression to the mean is? I guess i misunderstood OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113418) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:24 PM Author: coral sneaky criminal Correct. I shouldn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114375) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 2:04 PM Author: Self-absorbed elastic band degenerate I am retard-level Chad bigcock with doctor wife, so regression to the mean will serve my children well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36112569) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:47 PM Author: Fragrant wagecucks nursing home ITT: 112 IQmos discuss what life would be like with a 107 IQ kid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113323) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:48 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113338) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:02 PM Author: vigorous pisswyrm theatre OP is 100IQ at best (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113440) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 3:54 PM Author: Heady startled therapy I have the exact opposite concern, all signs point to my kids being superstudy bookworms. I want to push them towards chill fratty endeavours (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113384) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:04 PM Author: insane crotch regression to the mean afflicts people whose parents are TTTs, so i'm not worried
3 of her 4 grandparents are smart as FUARK
but tbf i think having an iq like mine has significantly reduced my QOL because i'm never satisfied and feel like i should be doing more for the world with my talents, so i feel guilty a lot about just enjoying life
kid is pretty smart, though, but i think i'd only really be perturbed by a sub-110 IQ which is unlikely because german lutherans have on average over 110 IQ |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:47 PM Author: razzle-dazzle chestnut forum national security agency there is no way 'Prince Harry's' IQ is over 110, FWIW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113782) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 4:48 PM Author: Beady-eyed parlor Yeah, and look at this bullshit and who he just married. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36113784) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 2:50 PM Author: Slate dog poop At least 120. They don't let dumbs fly combat helicopters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36120054) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:13 PM Author: coral sneaky criminal Your kids will be precisely the 115 IQ dunces we mock here.
"Correlation isn't causation!"
"Free speech but not freedom from consequences!"
"I love thienth!" |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:24 PM Author: Pearl arousing boltzmann dilemma If you're not IQ smart, you can hustle. Simple as that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114377) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:25 PM Author: Slap-happy brilliant spot Surprisingly low IQ thread, lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114383) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:33 PM Author: Buck-toothed flushed point legend Meh. I did the best I could, marrying a woman whose IQ is likely higher than mine. Hopefully kids regress to a higher mean. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114454) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:36 PM Author: coral sneaky criminal DESCRIBE how smart each of your respective families is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114469) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 6:37 PM Author: Buck-toothed flushed point legend Her family = Ashkenazi Jews. Nuff said.
My dad = dumbest guy in a really smart family My mom = smartest person in an otherwise dull family |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 7:26 PM Author: coral sneaky criminal According to my copy of Excel, the center of IQ gravity is 109.7. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36114707) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 9:29 PM Author: Vivacious plum abode yarmulke lol iron monkey and wheeling pwning souls here. OP is a literal 80 IQ reddit retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36115362) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 11:17 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich Great, xo posters’ kids will only revert to 105 mean IQ! That gives me such great hope for our spawn... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36116045) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 1:50 AM Author: white library becky (Guy breeding 6' 150 IQ autists together, taking the numerous 155 IQ kids that result (like 0.5 SD above the 150 IQ mean right?) and breeding them together, and so on, until he has some 8ft tall 200 IQ POWER AUTISTs) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36116946) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 3:27 PM Author: trip organic girlfriend sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36120322) |
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Date: May 23rd, 2018 10:22 PM Author: translucent razzle base lol @ OP’s hubris. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36115683) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 7:16 AM Author: Aquamarine lascivious candlestick maker church Mnd should be happy as fuck about this because regression to the mean indicates hat son could be 5'10 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36117272) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:35 PM Author: translucent razzle base *5’7” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3984554&forum_id=2#36123095) |