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Stats and analytics really have ruined baseball
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Date: May 24th, 2018 7:55 PM Author: Onyx razzle-dazzle meetinghouse giraffe Everyone is hitting Homers or striking out. Jewish geeks with spreadsheets like Dave Cameron have told people strikeouts don’t matter. So its getting to the point where the pitcher and hitter are just playing catch and the rest of the field doesn’t do anything. Makes the game more boring when the ball isn’t put in play. No strategy anymore because kikes say managers don’t mattter, bunts are dumb, etc. can’t have a baseball convo without some geek lisping about launch angle. Mediocre hitters sacrificing the rest of their game to make sure they get that launch angle so they can hit homers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122058) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 7:58 PM Author: Honey-headed Jap Lodge cr hearing "launch angle" one time was enough, thank you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122073) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:09 PM Author: Effete parlour party of the first part yeah i would much rather see a groundout to 2nd than a 20 strikeout game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122139) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:17 PM Author: Onyx razzle-dazzle meetinghouse giraffe If it moves the runner over and he gets his uniform dirty while getting into scoring position in close game? Yeah I’d rather see that, sorry if you rub ur crit dick to strikeouts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122221) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:26 PM Author: Effete parlour party of the first part sorry ur a mets fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122270) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:09 PM Author: Excitant Yarmulke Indian Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122888) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:40 AM Author: Motley Hilarious New Version (68 year old man wearing a baseball uniform, gestering wildly to signal that the illiterate spic should hit a homerun) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212329) |
Date: May 24th, 2018 7:57 PM Author: galvanic kitchen This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem. Baseball is a game where optimal play is boring play. That's not the fault of the autistic nerds who figured out the best way to play, that's a sign of a poorly constructed game. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:01 PM Author: sepia parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122088) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:04 PM Author: Effete parlour party of the first part wow hot take. i can see why everyone says youre a high iq poster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122104) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:04 PM Author: doobsian church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122105) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:05 PM Author: Histrionic love of her life halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122109) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:27 PM Author: poppy odious mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122279) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:41 PM Author: Magical resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122343) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:47 PM Author: Mint doctorate jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122369) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:19 AM Author: Crimson Charismatic Indirect Expression He's right. Complaining about baseball strategy is like complaining about tic tac toe strategy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123669) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:05 PM Author: Claret Keepsake Machete Toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122854) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:41 PM Author: cordovan temple legal warrant you're getting flamed, but you're 100% right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36127040) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:36 AM Author: exhilarant masturbator stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212318) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:29 AM Author: salmon persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212440) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:15 PM Author: unhinged vigorous trump supporter so more homers at the expense of more outs being strikeouts instead of ground balls and pop flies?
yeah, i don't think that's making the game less exciting. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:18 PM Author: Onyx razzle-dazzle meetinghouse giraffe Less action on the field. Less of a team sport. Repetitive. Homers and strikeouts are good if the rest of the game is balanced. This year has been ridiculous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122224) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:44 PM Author: unhinged vigorous trump supporter pop flies and groundouts don't excite anyone.
i think the bigger issue is all the shifts teams use now.
they work, and that has caused a pretty big dip in batting averages, making the games less exciting. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:56 PM Author: sexy university seems to me that teams/players aren't doing enough to counter the moves being made, especially something as blatant as a shift. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123554) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: comical transparent brunch Guys who get shifted on are retarded for not bunting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126657) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:36 PM Author: tripping wine theater or learning to go the other way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36127006) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:27 PM Author: poppy odious mental disorder Shohei Ohtani is saving baseball (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122283) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Sick cruise ship I mean the increase in homers is barely noticeable while your watching the game, unless you enjoy them.
Say it DOUBLED (it hasn't) from 1 a game to 2 a game per team. That's only 2 plays per game where the homer makes a difference in viewing, out of probably 50 balls put in play a game.
Have strikeouts even increased much? |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:31 PM Author: Onyx razzle-dazzle meetinghouse giraffe Look around: We live in the strikeout zone. At this exact moment, teams are striking out 8.7 times per game, way up from last year's record pace of 8.3 per game, which was way up from 2016's record pace of 8 per game, which was way up from 2015's record 7.7 per game. Baseball's strikeout record has been broken 10 times in the last 10 seasons, which looks an awful lot like a trend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122305) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:35 PM Author: Sick cruise ship Okay so we are talking about 4 plays, out of about 65 or so, that are different per game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122321) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:39 PM Author: Histrionic love of her life halford now do 3s in basketball and pass attempts in football.
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:44 PM Author: Onyx razzle-dazzle meetinghouse giraffe I don’t care about nigger sports (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122355) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:46 PM Author: Histrionic love of her life halford shit looks like hockey got ruined too. fucking spreadsheet jews http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/21596359/nhl-seven-reasons-why-nhl-goal-scoring-exploded-season |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: Magical resort Wait til you read about freestyle wrestling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122385) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:46 PM Author: Thriller rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123506) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:59 PM Author: Histrionic love of her life halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123565) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:45 PM Author: unhinged vigorous trump supporter see my post above. i'm pretty certain it is the shifts that are the main culprit in causing reduced batting averages, runs, and excitement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122360) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:50 PM Author: Onyx razzle-dazzle meetinghouse giraffe Right, wonder who in the Astros (((front office))) pushes the shift so much... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122382) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:54 PM Author: unhinged vigorous trump supporter well, you said the reason for reduced offense and excitement was because the game had become all strikeouts or HRs "and the rest of the field doesn’t do anything."
I think it's the opposite -- it's that the rest of the field is doing WAY more than it used to as a result of the strategic shifts.
I do agree that this is the result of analytics and smarter managers; I just think you are wrong about which strategies were the catalyst. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 9:04 PM Author: Onyx razzle-dazzle meetinghouse giraffe Yeah I see your point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122458) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 9:02 PM Author: bronze outnumbered potus it's shittier right now but "ruined" is way too strong, it's not like it's unwatchable, or even drastically different than 1996-2012. this shit has always gone in cycles. and front offices are doing different shit now but not too long ago the analytics people were talking up getting on base when everyone else was big on power.
you're going to start to see teams push bunting skills at the minor league level to fuck with shifts. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:11 PM Author: unhinged vigorous trump supporter agreed -- the necessary counterattack to the effectiveness of the modern shifts is bunting. if you don't do it, you're playing right into the defense's hands.
and i'm a guy who traditionally hates bunting. |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:09 PM Author: nubile messiness Cr. Swallow your pride and get on base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123309) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:58 PM Author: sexy university cr. didn't see this subthread when i poasted above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123560) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:31 PM Author: galvanic kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123438) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:08 PM Author: Excitant Yarmulke Indian Lodge One thing I hate when I go to baseball games is to see homeruns and strikeouts. Wish they would just hit bloops to second base. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122878) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:47 PM Author: aromatic lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123512) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:52 PM Author: Chrome disturbing orchestra pit electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123534) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2018 7:53 PM Author: Excitant Yarmulke Indian Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36172980) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:10 PM Author: Aquamarine partner Im only a casual fan but i havent noticed a difference from 20 years ago, other than starting pitchers frequently getting pulled after 5 innings even if theyre doing well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122891) |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:34 PM Author: cruel-hearted mahogany generalized bond if all parks had a green monster all the way around, it would be more fun. balls bouncing every which way. lots of doubles and triples.
home runs are inherently boring |
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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:36 PM Author: provocative box office It’s not just the stat geeks causing this. Pitchers are throwing harder than ever before. Teams have binders full of 98mph throwing middle relievers to spare. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123466) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:00 AM Author: sexy university yeah. the fact that there are multiple pitchers throwing 105mph is crazy.
it's getting close to guessing. |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:02 AM Author: Bonkers floppy rigor Pitching changes should stop taking 5 minutes. They warm up in the bullpen. Why do they need another 3 minutes when they come in the game. This is important since we're quickly approaching a world where hitters never face the same pitcher twice in the same game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123576) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: aromatic lay ADS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126644) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:02 AM Author: Chrome disturbing orchestra pit electric furnace Surprised nobody's mentioned this yet - but the commissioner hired a research team of academic physicists, statisticians etc. to study the physical changes of baseballs from last 2 years compared to earlier bawls.
They did all kinds of tests, went and inspected the Rawlings factory etc. This was prompted I believe by an inexplicable change in the launch trajectory these past two seasons that was significantly different than before two years ago.
They basically say that that it has to be due to some kind of changes in the ball even though they literally couldn't find any with all their testing. Interesting read.
Here's the report:
Article: https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/40170/prospectus-feature-mlb-commission-confirms-baseball-changed/ |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:45 PM Author: Onyx razzle-dazzle meetinghouse giraffe This is 100% kike faggotry
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) — The Tampa Bay Rays bullpen day is now a three-day affair.
Rays manager Kevin Cash announced Thursday that reliever Sergio Romo is scheduled to start Friday night and Sunday against Baltimore, and Ryne Stanek is set to face the Orioles on Saturday.
Tampa Bay planned to begin the regular season with four starting pitchers and have one bullpen day, but Nathan Eovaldi hurt his surgically repaired right elbow in his last spring training start. Another starter, Jake Faria, could miss six to eight weeks after straining his left oblique Tuesday.
“We’re not trying to do anything that’s cute,” Cash said. “We’re trying to do something that’s right for us to win games.”
Romo, who had only pitched in relief in 588 games, started games last Saturday and Sunday against the Los Angeles Angels. He pitched one inning the first time, then 1 1/3 scoreless innings. |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:55 PM Author: bronze outnumbered potus this one's pretty benign. more about the rays sucking balls and having shitty starting pitching. would rather see them do something interesting than throw out another shitty quadruple-A starter. agree that the most entertaining games are when a starter pitches well and goes deep but that won't happen with this rays rotation anyways.
if anything is making baseball shitty right now it's the emphasis on home runs and strikeouts. this one's just a team coping with being shitty. |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:46 PM Author: comical transparent brunch "Sthpin rate," the jew dork lisped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126647) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:48 PM Author: razzle den I thought Jonah Hill said getting on base was all that matters? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126662) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:35 PM Author: Excitant Yarmulke Indian Lodge But it ties into the fact that you want 1-3 to get on base then Joey Gallo can come up with his .207 BA and 40 HRs. Those exceptional events have a greater impact on game outcomes over a long season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126998) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:06 PM Author: passionate hospital international law enforcement agency Odd thing to critique. Platoon pitching is far worse for the game. There were 1407 hits in MLB in 2017 per team compared to 1466 in 2002 and 1493 in 2008. You legitimately do not notice this forced meme from the statheads that "everyone's swinging for the fences!" What's happening instead is that players are more concerned with trying to secure an HR and risk the K rather than simply seeking to put the ball in play and hope it falls, there's an error, or they get lucky and get the HR. Yes, strikeouts are way up, but a lot of that is due to the pitching platoon, not the forced batting. |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:23 PM Author: comical transparent brunch Platoon pitching is dying. Teams want multi inning relievers now to keep starters from pitching as much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126922) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:49 PM Author: tripping wine theater I agree that baseball is, in a lot of ways, less interesting with platoon pitching, shifts, power v. power. More likely it is just now what you and I grew up with and we prefer a different style. That said, I think the changing nature of the game is what makes baseball so interesting compared to other sports. Other sports might counter this with a rule change. Baseball evolves and the players/coaches will learn to get around these new strategies. Bunting and speed were crucial in the baseball of the 1910s. Babe Ruth comes around and it shifts to power. In the 1950s, the players were slow sluggers -- few stolen bases. Stolen bases come back in the 1960s and, particularly 1970s. Pitching ruled in the 1960s. Batting ruled in the 1990s. Ten years from now, spray hitters, speed and junkballers may be paramount. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 8:17 AM Author: Excitant Yarmulke Indian Lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212184) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:23 AM Author: soul-stirring forum But a lot of those changes were driven by rule changes. Ruth came after they banned the spitball and various other rule changes to boost offense. Pitching dominance waned after the 60s because they lowered the mound. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212290) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:31 AM Author: tripping wine theater Admittedly the spitball ban was a rule change, but to attribute the power surge following Ruth to that ban alone is not accurate. Ruth was a force. Once players realized that you could be a star hitting homers, people started focusing on those things. Oldsters like Cobb always hated it and never shifted in that direction (although he claimed he could). Lowering the mound, OK, but that does not seem like a "fundamental" change -- more like an adjustment. Bottom line is that kids coming up now who hit for power would be well-advised to learn to go the other way so that they can beat the shift. Enough of that happens and the shift will go back to being unique strategy that is only employed occasionally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212312) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:00 AM Author: bronze outnumbered potus on the contrary most rule changes, like the lowered mound and the DH, were made in response to more-or-less organic changes in gameplay
there are usually some exogenous forces at play when things change but that's true of any sport. you could argue that improvements in conditioning and athleticism etc. have had more of an impact on how football and basketball are played than on how baseball is played.
shit like the shift won't last. it's amazing that teams don't bunt into it every single time and i think it's just a matter of time before teams really push bunting skills to address it. will become much more of a situational thing. |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: tripping wine theater Agree. The spitball change seemed to be a direct result of Ray Chapman death though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212371) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:47 AM Author: Dull gunner Luckily stats won't have the same effect on bball (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212339) |
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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:01 AM Author: unhinged vigorous trump supporter a couple other changes that have led to less offense, aside from the use of shifts:
starting pitchers limiting their pitches, and thus the hardest throwers are throwing their fastballs even harder because they don't need to pace themselves as much;
many pitchers are mixing in way more sliders and non-fastballs, which have more swings and misses, especially for those pitchers with good movement but who don't have the A+ fastball. |