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Stats and analytics really have ruined baseball

Everyone is hitting Homers or striking out. Jewish geeks wit...
fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive
  05/24/18
cr hearing "launch angle" one time was enough, tha...
Mint Casino
  05/24/18
yeah i would much rather see a groundout to 2nd than a 20 st...
Pea-brained tattoo
  05/24/18
If it moves the runner over and he gets his uniform dirty wh...
fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive
  05/24/18
sorry ur a mets fan
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(68 year old man wearing a baseball uniform, gestering wildl...
Peach laser beams
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This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem. Ba...
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Sadistic University
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wow hot take. i can see why everyone says youre a high iq po...
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Blathering Love Of Her Life
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He's right. Complaining about baseball strategy is like comp...
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so more homers at the expense of more outs being strikeouts ...
maroon heady gas station messiness
  05/24/18
Less action on the field. Less of a team sport. Repetitive. ...
fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive
  05/24/18
pop flies and groundouts don't excite anyone. i think the...
maroon heady gas station messiness
  05/24/18
seems to me that teams/players aren't doing enough to counte...
flickering mahogany hairy legs
  05/24/18
Guys who get shifted on are retarded for not bunting.
frisky field queen of the night
  05/25/18
or learning to go the other way.
cyan lodge
  05/25/18
Shohei Ohtani is saving baseball
saffron site
  05/24/18
I mean the increase in homers is barely noticeable while you...
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  05/24/18
Look around: We live in the strikeout zone. At this exact mo...
fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive
  05/24/18
Okay so we are talking about 4 plays, out of about 65 or so,...
Offensive ocher national security agency cuckold
  05/24/18
now do 3s in basketball and pass attempts in football.
Henna exciting institution striped hyena
  05/24/18
I don’t care about nigger sports
fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive
  05/24/18
shit looks like hockey got ruined too. fucking spreadsheet j...
Henna exciting institution striped hyena
  05/24/18
Wait til you read about freestyle wrestling
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Henna exciting institution striped hyena
  05/24/18
see my post above. i'm pretty certain it is the shifts that ...
maroon heady gas station messiness
  05/24/18
Right, wonder who in the Astros (((front office))) pushes th...
fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive
  05/24/18
well, you said the reason for reduced offense and excitement...
maroon heady gas station messiness
  05/24/18
Yeah I see your point.
fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive
  05/24/18
it's shittier right now but "ruined" is way too st...
Canary Double Fault Lay
  05/24/18
agreed -- the necessary counterattack to the effectiveness o...
maroon heady gas station messiness
  05/24/18
Cr. Swallow your pride and get on base
Flushed exhilarant liquid oxygen
  05/24/18
cr. didn't see this subthread when i poasted above.
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One thing I hate when I go to baseball games is to see homer...
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Im only a casual fan but i havent noticed a difference from ...
Soul-stirring deep area idiot
  05/24/18
if all parks had a green monster all the way around, it woul...
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  05/24/18
It’s not just the stat geeks causing this. Pitchers are thr...
Snowy razzle-dazzle locale
  05/24/18
yeah. the fact that there are multiple pitchers throwing 10...
flickering mahogany hairy legs
  05/25/18
Pitching changes should stop taking 5 minutes. They warm up ...
jade chad space
  05/25/18
ADS
Bright vivacious abode mad-dog skullcap
  05/25/18
Surprised nobody's mentioned this yet - but the commissioner...
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  05/25/18
This is 100% kike faggotry ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) — Th...
fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive
  05/25/18
this one's pretty benign. more about the rays sucking balls ...
Canary Double Fault Lay
  05/25/18
"Sthpin rate," the jew dork lisped.
frisky field queen of the night
  05/25/18
I thought Jonah Hill said getting on base was all that matte...
Adventurous New Version
  05/25/18
But it ties into the fact that you want 1-3 to get on base t...
Nudist hot theater stage
  05/25/18
Odd thing to critique. Platoon pitching is far worse for the...
duck-like turdskin
  05/25/18
Platoon pitching is dying. Teams want multi inning relievers...
frisky field queen of the night
  05/25/18
I agree that baseball is, in a lot of ways, less interesting...
cyan lodge
  05/25/18
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Nudist hot theater stage
  06/09/18
But a lot of those changes were driven by rule changes. Ruth...
histrionic stage
  06/09/18
Admittedly the spitball ban was a rule change, but to attrib...
cyan lodge
  06/09/18
on the contrary most rule changes, like the lowered mound an...
Canary Double Fault Lay
  06/09/18
Agree. The spitball change seemed to be a direct result of R...
cyan lodge
  06/09/18
Luckily stats won't have the same effect on bball
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a couple other changes that have led to less offense, aside ...
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Date: May 24th, 2018 7:55 PM
Author: fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive

Everyone is hitting Homers or striking out. Jewish geeks with spreadsheets like Dave Cameron have told people strikeouts don’t matter. So its getting to the point where the pitcher and hitter are just playing catch and the rest of the field doesn’t do anything. Makes the game more boring when the ball isn’t put in play. No strategy anymore because kikes say managers don’t mattter, bunts are dumb, etc. can’t have a baseball convo without some geek lisping about launch angle. Mediocre hitters sacrificing the rest of their game to make sure they get that launch angle so they can hit homers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122058)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 7:58 PM
Author: Mint Casino

cr hearing "launch angle" one time was enough, thank you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122073)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:09 PM
Author: Pea-brained tattoo

yeah i would much rather see a groundout to 2nd than a 20 strikeout game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122139)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:17 PM
Author: fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive

If it moves the runner over and he gets his uniform dirty while getting into scoring position in close game? Yeah I’d rather see that, sorry if you rub ur crit dick to strikeouts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122221)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:26 PM
Author: Pea-brained tattoo

sorry ur a mets fan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122270)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:09 PM
Author: Nudist hot theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122888)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: Peach laser beams

(68 year old man wearing a baseball uniform, gestering wildly to signal that the illiterate spic should hit a homerun)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212329)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 7:57 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac hospital water buffalo

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem.

Baseball is a game where optimal play is boring play. That's not the fault of the autistic nerds who figured out the best way to play, that's a sign of a poorly constructed game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122070)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:01 PM
Author: Sadistic University



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122088)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:04 PM
Author: Pea-brained tattoo

wow hot take. i can see why everyone says youre a high iq poster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122104)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:04 PM
Author: kink-friendly excitant whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122105)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:05 PM
Author: Henna exciting institution striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122109)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:27 PM
Author: saffron site



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:41 PM
Author: Blathering Love Of Her Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122343)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:47 PM
Author: cracking black affirmative action deer antler

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122369)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:19 AM
Author: Galvanic Unhinged Stead Crotch

He's right. Complaining about baseball strategy is like complaining about tic tac toe strategy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123669)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:05 PM
Author: bateful irate cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122854)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:41 PM
Author: Arrogant Ratface

you're getting flamed, but you're 100% right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36127040)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: talented bisexual theatre



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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:29 AM
Author: charismatic chapel fanboi



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:15 PM
Author: maroon heady gas station messiness

so more homers at the expense of more outs being strikeouts instead of ground balls and pop flies?

yeah, i don't think that's making the game less exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122201)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:18 PM
Author: fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive

Less action on the field. Less of a team sport. Repetitive. Homers and strikeouts are good if the rest of the game is balanced. This year has been ridiculous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122224)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:44 PM
Author: maroon heady gas station messiness

pop flies and groundouts don't excite anyone.

i think the bigger issue is all the shifts teams use now.

they work, and that has caused a pretty big dip in batting averages, making the games less exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122354)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:56 PM
Author: flickering mahogany hairy legs

seems to me that teams/players aren't doing enough to counter the moves being made, especially something as blatant as a shift.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123554)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:48 PM
Author: frisky field queen of the night

Guys who get shifted on are retarded for not bunting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126657)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: cyan lodge

or learning to go the other way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36127006)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:27 PM
Author: saffron site

Shohei Ohtani is saving baseball

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122283)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: Offensive ocher national security agency cuckold

I mean the increase in homers is barely noticeable while your watching the game, unless you enjoy them.

Say it DOUBLED (it hasn't) from 1 a game to 2 a game per team. That's only 2 plays per game where the homer makes a difference in viewing, out of probably 50 balls put in play a game.

Have strikeouts even increased much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122288)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:31 PM
Author: fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive

Look around: We live in the strikeout zone. At this exact moment, teams are striking out 8.7 times per game, way up from last year's record pace of 8.3 per game, which was way up from 2016's record pace of 8 per game, which was way up from 2015's record 7.7 per game. Baseball's strikeout record has been broken 10 times in the last 10 seasons, which looks an awful lot like a trend.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122305)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:35 PM
Author: Offensive ocher national security agency cuckold

Okay so we are talking about 4 plays, out of about 65 or so, that are different per game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122321)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:39 PM
Author: Henna exciting institution striped hyena

now do 3s in basketball and pass attempts in football.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122335)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:44 PM
Author: fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive

I don’t care about nigger sports

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122355)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:46 PM
Author: Henna exciting institution striped hyena

shit looks like hockey got ruined too. fucking spreadsheet jews

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/21596359/nhl-seven-reasons-why-nhl-goal-scoring-exploded-season

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122364)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:51 PM
Author: Blathering Love Of Her Life

Wait til you read about freestyle wrestling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122385)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:46 PM
Author: Lascivious Cuck



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:59 PM
Author: Henna exciting institution striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123565)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:45 PM
Author: maroon heady gas station messiness

see my post above. i'm pretty certain it is the shifts that are the main culprit in causing reduced batting averages, runs, and excitement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122360)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:50 PM
Author: fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive

Right, wonder who in the Astros (((front office))) pushes the shift so much...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122382)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 8:54 PM
Author: maroon heady gas station messiness

well, you said the reason for reduced offense and excitement was because the game had become all strikeouts or HRs "and the rest of the field doesn’t do anything."

I think it's the opposite -- it's that the rest of the field is doing WAY more than it used to as a result of the strategic shifts.

I do agree that this is the result of analytics and smarter managers; I just think you are wrong about which strategies were the catalyst.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122399)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 9:04 PM
Author: fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive

Yeah I see your point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122458)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 9:02 PM
Author: Canary Double Fault Lay

it's shittier right now but "ruined" is way too strong, it's not like it's unwatchable, or even drastically different than 1996-2012. this shit has always gone in cycles. and front offices are doing different shit now but not too long ago the analytics people were talking up getting on base when everyone else was big on power.

you're going to start to see teams push bunting skills at the minor league level to fuck with shifts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122447)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:11 PM
Author: maroon heady gas station messiness

agreed -- the necessary counterattack to the effectiveness of the modern shifts is bunting. if you don't do it, you're playing right into the defense's hands.

and i'm a guy who traditionally hates bunting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122902)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:09 PM
Author: Flushed exhilarant liquid oxygen

Cr. Swallow your pride and get on base

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123309)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: flickering mahogany hairy legs

cr. didn't see this subthread when i poasted above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123560)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:31 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac hospital water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123438)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:08 PM
Author: Nudist hot theater stage

One thing I hate when I go to baseball games is to see homeruns and strikeouts. Wish they would just hit bloops to second base.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122878)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:47 PM
Author: Bright vivacious abode mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123512)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: cowardly slate native place of business



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123534)



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Date: June 2nd, 2018 7:53 PM
Author: Nudist hot theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36172980)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 10:10 PM
Author: Soul-stirring deep area idiot

Im only a casual fan but i havent noticed a difference from 20 years ago, other than starting pitchers frequently getting pulled after 5 innings even if theyre doing well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36122891)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:34 PM
Author: marvelous well-lubricated kitchen juggernaut

if all parks had a green monster all the way around, it would be more fun. balls bouncing every which way. lots of doubles and triples.

home runs are inherently boring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123446)



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Date: May 24th, 2018 11:36 PM
Author: Snowy razzle-dazzle locale

It’s not just the stat geeks causing this. Pitchers are throwing harder than ever before. Teams have binders full of 98mph throwing middle relievers to spare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123466)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:00 AM
Author: flickering mahogany hairy legs

yeah. the fact that there are multiple pitchers throwing 105mph is crazy.

it's getting close to guessing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123567)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:02 AM
Author: jade chad space

Pitching changes should stop taking 5 minutes. They warm up in the bullpen. Why do they need another 3 minutes when they come in the game. This is important since we're quickly approaching a world where hitters never face the same pitcher twice in the same game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123576)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: Bright vivacious abode mad-dog skullcap

ADS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126644)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:02 AM
Author: cowardly slate native place of business

Surprised nobody's mentioned this yet - but the commissioner hired a research team of academic physicists, statisticians etc. to study the physical changes of baseballs from last 2 years compared to earlier bawls.

They did all kinds of tests, went and inspected the Rawlings factory etc. This was prompted I believe by an inexplicable change in the launch trajectory these past two seasons that was significantly different than before two years ago.

They basically say that that it has to be due to some kind of changes in the ball even though they literally couldn't find any with all their testing. Interesting read.

Here's the report:

http://www.mlb.com/documents/7/9/4/278128794/Full_Report_of_the_Committee_Studying_Home_Run_Rates_in_Major_League_Baseball_052418.pdf

Article:

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/40170/prospectus-feature-mlb-commission-confirms-baseball-changed/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36123579)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:45 PM
Author: fishy startling bawdyhouse depressive

This is 100% kike faggotry

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) — The Tampa Bay Rays bullpen day is now a three-day affair.

Rays manager Kevin Cash announced Thursday that reliever Sergio Romo is scheduled to start Friday night and Sunday against Baltimore, and Ryne Stanek is set to face the Orioles on Saturday.

Tampa Bay planned to begin the regular season with four starting pitchers and have one bullpen day, but Nathan Eovaldi hurt his surgically repaired right elbow in his last spring training start. Another starter, Jake Faria, could miss six to eight weeks after straining his left oblique Tuesday.

“We’re not trying to do anything that’s cute,” Cash said. “We’re trying to do something that’s right for us to win games.”

Romo, who had only pitched in relief in 588 games, started games last Saturday and Sunday against the Los Angeles Angels. He pitched one inning the first time, then 1 1/3 scoreless innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126636)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: Canary Double Fault Lay

this one's pretty benign. more about the rays sucking balls and having shitty starting pitching. would rather see them do something interesting than throw out another shitty quadruple-A starter. agree that the most entertaining games are when a starter pitches well and goes deep but that won't happen with this rays rotation anyways.

if anything is making baseball shitty right now it's the emphasis on home runs and strikeouts. this one's just a team coping with being shitty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126723)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:46 PM
Author: frisky field queen of the night

"Sthpin rate," the jew dork lisped.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126647)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:48 PM
Author: Adventurous New Version

I thought Jonah Hill said getting on base was all that matters?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126662)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: Nudist hot theater stage

But it ties into the fact that you want 1-3 to get on base then Joey Gallo can come up with his .207 BA and 40 HRs. Those exceptional events have a greater impact on game outcomes over a long season.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126998)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:06 PM
Author: duck-like turdskin

Odd thing to critique. Platoon pitching is far worse for the game.

There were 1407 hits in MLB in 2017 per team compared to 1466 in 2002 and 1493 in 2008. You legitimately do not notice this forced meme from the statheads that "everyone's swinging for the fences!"

What's happening instead is that players are more concerned with trying to secure an HR and risk the K rather than simply seeking to put the ball in play and hope it falls, there's an error, or they get lucky and get the HR.

Yes, strikeouts are way up, but a lot of that is due to the pitching platoon, not the forced batting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126786)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:23 PM
Author: frisky field queen of the night

Platoon pitching is dying. Teams want multi inning relievers now to keep starters from pitching as much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36126922)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: cyan lodge

I agree that baseball is, in a lot of ways, less interesting with platoon pitching, shifts, power v. power. More likely it is just now what you and I grew up with and we prefer a different style.

That said, I think the changing nature of the game is what makes baseball so interesting compared to other sports. Other sports might counter this with a rule change. Baseball evolves and the players/coaches will learn to get around these new strategies. Bunting and speed were crucial in the baseball of the 1910s. Babe Ruth comes around and it shifts to power. In the 1950s, the players were slow sluggers -- few stolen bases. Stolen bases come back in the 1960s and, particularly 1970s. Pitching ruled in the 1960s. Batting ruled in the 1990s. Ten years from now, spray hitters, speed and junkballers may be paramount.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36127088)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 8:17 AM
Author: Nudist hot theater stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212184)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: histrionic stage

But a lot of those changes were driven by rule changes. Ruth came after they banned the spitball and various other rule changes to boost offense. Pitching dominance waned after the 60s because they lowered the mound.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212290)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:31 AM
Author: cyan lodge

Admittedly the spitball ban was a rule change, but to attribute the power surge following Ruth to that ban alone is not accurate. Ruth was a force. Once players realized that you could be a star hitting homers, people started focusing on those things. Oldsters like Cobb always hated it and never shifted in that direction (although he claimed he could). Lowering the mound, OK, but that does not seem like a "fundamental" change -- more like an adjustment. Bottom line is that kids coming up now who hit for power would be well-advised to learn to go the other way so that they can beat the shift. Enough of that happens and the shift will go back to being unique strategy that is only employed occasionally.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212312)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:00 AM
Author: Canary Double Fault Lay

on the contrary most rule changes, like the lowered mound and the DH, were made in response to more-or-less organic changes in gameplay

there are usually some exogenous forces at play when things change but that's true of any sport. you could argue that improvements in conditioning and athleticism etc. have had more of an impact on how football and basketball are played than on how baseball is played.

shit like the shift won't last. it's amazing that teams don't bunt into it every single time and i think it's just a matter of time before teams really push bunting skills to address it. will become much more of a situational thing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212361)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:05 AM
Author: cyan lodge

Agree. The spitball change seemed to be a direct result of Ray Chapman death though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212371)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 9:47 AM
Author: stirring private investor trailer park

Luckily stats won't have the same effect on bball

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212339)



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Date: June 9th, 2018 10:01 AM
Author: maroon heady gas station messiness

a couple other changes that have led to less offense, aside from the use of shifts:

starting pitchers limiting their pitches, and thus the hardest throwers are throwing their fastballs even harder because they don't need to pace themselves as much;

many pitchers are mixing in way more sliders and non-fastballs, which have more swings and misses, especially for those pitchers with good movement but who don't have the A+ fastball.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3985858&forum_id=2#36212366)