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Chill solo bro of mine: "I just bill $1000 a day then go home" (3 hours work)

He goes to his crossfit gym sometimes twice a day, lives a h...
Cobalt french chef gunner
  05/25/18
sounds like a gunner
fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king
  05/25/18
I try to bring $1K in fees in per day too.
Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit
  05/25/18
do you normally hit it?
irate brindle house round eye
  05/25/18
Yeah. I shoot for $30K in fees per month. So i'll go a coup...
Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit
  05/25/18
Keep in mind, too, you gotta BE THERE when the calls come in...
Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit
  05/25/18
For example, I had to talk w a doctor at 6 pm last night bec...
Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit
  05/25/18
PRactice saying this Beckersted, "Well, you need a la...
Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit
  05/25/18
Also practice asking for LOTS of Money from people. You hav...
Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit
  05/25/18
...
Hateful Mind-boggling Roommate
  05/25/18
do you do PI?
Cobalt french chef gunner
  05/25/18
Thread title doesn't say "chill wagecuck kikelaw slave ...
Multi-colored embarrassed to the bone keepsake machete senate
  05/25/18
so when you subtract out the % of bills that never get paid ...
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
Financially, but not spiritually
Vibrant pocket flask
  05/25/18
...
Appetizing learning disabled brethren
  05/25/18
cr. Average 50% nonpayment of bills, minimum office rent $5K...
fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king
  05/25/18
shitlaw secretaries don't make $5K month
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
Payroll taxes, insurance, Obamacare,
fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king
  05/25/18
they make $40k a year in salary and it's always 100% of sala...
Cyan Bonkers Church Building Wrinkle
  05/25/18
where i live they make 30-40K
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
secretaries who get benefits...?
gay costumed travel guidebook
  05/25/18
seriously. shitlaw places with like fewer than 5 attorneys u...
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
also LOL at shitlaw/solos offering decent healthcare plans t...
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
LJL at these numbers.
gay costumed travel guidebook
  05/25/18
cr this is conservative. In a major metro it's double that e...
fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king
  05/25/18
triple, quadruple even. I have a friend from law school who ...
gay costumed travel guidebook
  05/25/18
Yep. And if you're not at a firm you can't negotiate a good ...
Carmine area
  05/25/18
I would pay extra for a terminal tbh
fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king
  05/25/18
in my jurisdiction the westlaw reps wont even talk to solos....
gay costumed travel guidebook
  05/25/18
is this flame? Westlaw absolutely has small firm and solo pa...
Cobalt french chef gunner
  05/25/18
Maybe in the 90s. They cut it out after affiliating with sol...
fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king
  05/25/18
? https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/wes...
Cobalt french chef gunner
  05/25/18
I know a recently-turned-solo who doesn't have a secretary, ...
Carmine area
  05/25/18
cr. unless he is in some unique shitlaw practice where ever...
sadistic heady bawdyhouse degenerate
  05/25/18
the dream! the impossible dream!
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
can't you just take people to court for nonpayment, etc?
clear gaming laptop
  05/25/18
(guy who likes answering four or five baseless bar complaint...
Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit
  05/25/18
so you can throw MORE money into the black hole to get a use...
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
and that's IF your state even allows you to do that for unpa...
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
realistic outcome: you spend a bunch more time and get a pie...
sadistic heady bawdyhouse degenerate
  05/25/18
...
Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit
  05/25/18
*files bankruptcy*
sadistic heady bawdyhouse degenerate
  05/25/18
In my firm, realization was about 90%.
turquoise crackhouse double fault
  05/25/18
flame
sadistic heady bawdyhouse degenerate
  05/25/18
so he's billing ~$250k a year max given holidays/weekends/ti...
Cyan Bonkers Church Building Wrinkle
  05/25/18
yeah at least he'll be able to afford a good lawyer when he ...
curious roast beef
  05/25/18
what
Cobalt french chef gunner
  05/25/18
1000 * ~250 working days a year is $250k in revenue assuming...
Cyan Bonkers Church Building Wrinkle
  05/25/18
I get that. but the "make the math work" part? ...
Cobalt french chef gunner
  05/25/18
I mean it's nice that he has a trust fund but what good is t...
fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king
  05/25/18
I invested in a start-up and their overhead costs is about $...
Cyan Bonkers Church Building Wrinkle
  05/25/18
Solo is absolutely the quality of life job
purple odious brunch blood rage
  05/25/18
A solo bro of mine says QOL is great but it's not good for r...
yellow milk
  05/25/18
solos don't retire anyway
Sable nowag
  05/25/18
Tt retired to Asia
Magenta site
  05/25/18
What does that mean?
turquoise crackhouse double fault
  05/25/18
seems like flame/BS. nobody bills exactly 3 hrs a day and ha...
Stimulating Step-uncle's House
  05/25/18
T&E. no artificial deadlines, just have to finish before...
fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king
  05/25/18
he does trusts and estates work. Not a ton of court time and...
Cobalt french chef gunner
  05/25/18
So he's poor?
dun exhilarant institution sound barrier
  05/25/18


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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:46 AM
Author: Cobalt french chef gunner

He goes to his crossfit gym sometimes twice a day, lives a half mile from his office, goes to 4:30 happy hours all the time, lake house on the weekend. Plays with his kid.

is this the credit solo life?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125332)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:47 AM
Author: fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king

sounds like a gunner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125338)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:49 AM
Author: Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit

I try to bring $1K in fees in per day too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125347)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:50 AM
Author: irate brindle house round eye

do you normally hit it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125358)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit

Yeah. I shoot for $30K in fees per month. So i'll go a couple weeks w nothing, then BAM get $10K, then $4K, then $12K, etc. that's just day to day routine.

Then I'll have a couple monster cases stacked on top that push total fees in the half a million range for the year, if im doing things right.

Again, these cases are mostly FED to me, and Im not fronting any costs. I'm just a salaried guy--and we spend bucketloads on advertising.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125411)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit

Keep in mind, too, you gotta BE THERE when the calls come in. You gotta be In The OFfice doing some Work. You cant just fuck around and stack the settlements. It's not like you have to work at a level 10 40 hours a week, but you have to be doing targeted goal oriented work at some low degree of intensity all the time anyway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125444)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:05 AM
Author: Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit

For example, I had to talk w a doctor at 6 pm last night because that's when he gets off work. So I worked on a trial brief at the office at a relatively low level of intensity for several hours until 6 pm. And then I talked w the doctor. Who wont give me shit on causation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125452)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit

PRactice saying this Beckersted,

"Well, you need a lawyer. There's no doubt about that. I hope you'll hire me. This is exactly the work I do and im good at it. But in any event, you need to get an attorney. if not me, then get someone."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125476)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:13 AM
Author: Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit

Also practice asking for LOTS of Money from people. You have to be able to do this on a case w no property damage, a tap to the bumper, and $40K in specials. You have to ask for $100K from a group of people (jury), some of whom are frowning, and you have to do it straight faced and somber as fuck.

You have to explain WHY $100K is a reasonable ask.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125513)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:30 PM
Author: Hateful Mind-boggling Roommate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126520)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:31 PM
Author: Cobalt french chef gunner

do you do PI?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126527)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: Multi-colored embarrassed to the bone keepsake machete senate

Thread title doesn't say "chill wagecuck kikelaw slave bro"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126093)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:54 AM
Author: Sable nowag

so when you subtract out the % of bills that never get paid and the overhead expenses, he's basically poor as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125375)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:56 AM
Author: Vibrant pocket flask

Financially, but not spiritually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125393)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: Appetizing learning disabled brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126957)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king

cr. Average 50% nonpayment of bills, minimum office rent $5K a month, $5K a month to the secretary, $1K to Westlaw, copier rental fees, he is probably paying money to work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125401)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:08 AM
Author: Sable nowag

shitlaw secretaries don't make $5K month

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125478)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:14 AM
Author: fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king

Payroll taxes, insurance, Obamacare,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125520)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: Cyan Bonkers Church Building Wrinkle

they make $40k a year in salary and it's always 100% of salary as additional total cost in terms of benefits, full time healthcare, etc.

We just hired someone for $60k and his total cost to firm is $120k.

There's a reason every Fortune 1000 company outsources to China and Mexico for labor. Even paying the same salary you save 50% from healthcare.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125953)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: Sable nowag

where i live they make 30-40K

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126129)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:36 PM
Author: gay costumed travel guidebook

secretaries who get benefits...?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126131)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: Sable nowag

seriously. shitlaw places with like fewer than 5 attorneys usually don't even offer 401K to the attorneys, let alone the fucking secretaries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126139)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: Sable nowag

also LOL at shitlaw/solos offering decent healthcare plans to their secretaries. a lot don't offer anything at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126135)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: gay costumed travel guidebook

LJL at these numbers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126123)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:37 PM
Author: fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king

cr this is conservative. In a major metro it's double that easily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126134)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: gay costumed travel guidebook

triple, quadruple even. I have a friend from law school who pays 18k/mo and works out of a converted public restroom. They called them "micro-offices" but you can tell they were just the stalls.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126138)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:41 PM
Author: Carmine area

Yep. And if you're not at a firm you can't negotiate a good rate with westlaw. The best you can do is a $1k a month and you have to have a westlaw terminal in your office. It's $1,500 if you want login credentials that you can use on any device.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126163)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king

I would pay extra for a terminal tbh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126182)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:49 PM
Author: gay costumed travel guidebook

in my jurisdiction the westlaw reps wont even talk to solos. a solo guy I know tried to get a meeting by pretending to work for a mid-sized firm. the westlaw rep reported him to the bar when he found out. I never heard what came of it, so it was probably just a private reprimand or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126208)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: Cobalt french chef gunner

is this flame? Westlaw absolutely has small firm and solo packages that cost a few hundred bucks a month, and they always negotiate. Lexis is even cheaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126291)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king

Maybe in the 90s. They cut it out after affiliating with solos was tarnishing the westlaw brand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127105)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:57 PM
Author: Cobalt french chef gunner

? https://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/westlaw-legal-research/small-law-firms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127145)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: Carmine area

I know a recently-turned-solo who doesn't have a secretary, pays $2k a month in rent, and maybe a few hundred a month for other office expenses (software, copier, westlaw).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126149)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: sadistic heady bawdyhouse degenerate

cr. unless he is in some unique shitlaw practice where everyone pays 100% of their bill.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125407)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 11:09 AM
Author: Sable nowag

the dream! the impossible dream!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125480)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:38 PM
Author: clear gaming laptop

can't you just take people to court for nonpayment, etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126137)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit

(guy who likes answering four or five baseless bar complaints per year)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126150)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:40 PM
Author: Sable nowag

so you can throw MORE money into the black hole to get a useless piece of paper "money judgment"? and then even MORE money into the black hole to try to garnish them but then they OOPS! switch jobs and you're back to square one with that shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126152)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:42 PM
Author: Sable nowag

and that's IF your state even allows you to do that for unpaid atty fees

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126170)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: sadistic heady bawdyhouse degenerate

realistic outcome: you spend a bunch more time and get a piece of paper that says a person owes you money and garnish their pay in very small increments. You also now have an ethics investigation, malpractice suit and higher malpractice insurance premium.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126931)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:53 PM
Author: Nudist Domesticated Hissy Fit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127109)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: sadistic heady bawdyhouse degenerate

*files bankruptcy*



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127118)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:14 PM
Author: turquoise crackhouse double fault

In my firm, realization was about 90%.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127619)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: sadistic heady bawdyhouse degenerate

flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125404)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:05 PM
Author: Cyan Bonkers Church Building Wrinkle

so he's billing ~$250k a year max given holidays/weekends/time off/etc.

Total 2018 Calendar Year Working Days 261

Plus count all his expenses.

He needs to bill $3000 per weekday to make the math work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125939)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:08 PM
Author: curious roast beef

yeah at least he'll be able to afford a good lawyer when he gets got for child abuse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36125956)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:21 PM
Author: Cobalt french chef gunner

what

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126052)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:30 PM
Author: Cyan Bonkers Church Building Wrinkle

1000 * ~250 working days a year is $250k in revenue assuming 100% payment and excluding all costs i.e. rent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126095)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:55 PM
Author: Cobalt french chef gunner

I get that. but the "make the math work" part?

He works 3 hours a day. He loves it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126252)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king

I mean it's nice that he has a trust fund but what good is that for the rest of us

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126277)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:58 PM
Author: Cyan Bonkers Church Building Wrinkle

I invested in a start-up and their overhead costs is about $300k total and that includes $0 pay to CEO, rent costs, 2 lowly paid employees, one plane ticket and one hotel a month, office supplies, other ad-hoc business costs, etc.

You need to work 9 hours a day and bill $3,000 a weekday to sustain a decent biz.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126280)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:39 PM
Author: purple odious brunch blood rage

Solo is absolutely the quality of life job

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126142)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:43 PM
Author: yellow milk

A solo bro of mine says QOL is great but it's not good for retirement planning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126174)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:45 PM
Author: Sable nowag

solos don't retire anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126186)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 12:51 PM
Author: Magenta site

Tt retired to Asia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36126221)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 10:08 PM
Author: turquoise crackhouse double fault

What does that mean?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36129481)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 3:16 PM
Author: Stimulating Step-uncle's House

seems like flame/BS. nobody bills exactly 3 hrs a day and has steady work that provides exactly 3 hrs a day and never slows down to 0 and never requires longer days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127248)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:10 PM
Author: fishy up-to-no-good incel philosopher-king

T&E. no artificial deadlines, just have to finish before the client croaks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127592)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: Cobalt french chef gunner

he does trusts and estates work. Not a ton of court time and the court stuff he does is mostly non-confrontational easy stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36127644)



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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: dun exhilarant institution sound barrier

So he's poor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986267&forum_id=2#36128719)