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Saudis Halt Orders From German Companies; Crown Prince "Deeply Offended"
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: razzle startled mother range Well this is going to hurt: Der Spiegel reports that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has ordered that all government contracts cease being awarded to German companies in what's being interpreted as an aggressive punitive measure after a year of already deteriorating Saudi-German relations and as Germany has expressed its plan to stick by the Iran nuclear deal.
Der Spiegel cites companies with long-term partnerships inside Saudi Arabia as already being impacted; however, there's still little clear confirmation on how far reaching the move will be: "Citing no sources, it said the move was likely to hit major companies such as Siemens, Bayer and Boehringer Ingelheim as well as carmaker Daimler,"according to Reuters, citing the Der Spiegel report published late Friday.
Germany generated 2017 exports worth 6.6 billion euros ($7.7 billion), according to official German figures, and is deeply invested in multiple major Saudi infrastructural projects, as Der Spiegal explains, "Some 800 German companies are active in the country, and 200 have offices in Saudi Arabia with a total of 40,000 employees," which could be severely impacted, depending on how far the Saudis are willing to go.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-25/saudis-halt-orders-german-companies-crown-prince-deeply-offended |
Date: May 25th, 2018 5:14 PM Author: razzle startled mother range hahahahahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahahhaha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128009) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:16 PM Author: shimmering nudist stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128019) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: mint kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128146) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:15 PM Author: green awkward sanctuary XO MBS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128013) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:17 PM Author: milky brunch 180. I’m no fan of Saudi Arabia, but if Germany has chosen to take IRAN’s side over ours, fuck em. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128029) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:22 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency Isn't it better for us if Europe sticks by the Iran deal? That way Iran might still choose to abide by its obligations (at least as much as they would anyway) to secure European cooperation, while we are free to do as we please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128053) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:24 PM Author: razzle startled mother range The goal is to crush the hardline Islamic Iranian regime, not necessarily to disarm their nuclear ambitions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128067) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:26 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency Whose goal? Why do I give a shit about crushing their regime if it's unrelated to their nuclear program and support of hostile combatants? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128078) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:29 PM Author: razzle startled mother range Iran's regime is deeply hostile to the U.S. ("Death to America" at every turn), a major sponsor of terrorism worldwide, and they've continued ICBM research
I'm not talking about invasion, but punishing them to the massive extent possible economically isn't unreasonable |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:35 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency I think it's unreasonable if it undermines achieving the more tangible goals. In other words, I care more about them not getting nukes and funding hostile terrorist organizations more than them chanting death to america at every turn, especially since I don't think economic sanctions from Europe are actually going to bring their regime down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128142) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 6:23 PM Author: lascivious station idiot You don't have to give a shit about it. You can go back to whatever you normally do with your life and forget about all of this if it's not meaningful to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128458) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency I give a shit about Iran having nukes and sponsoring hostile terrorist forces 99x more than I care about what happens solely within Iran's borders. If you can deal with the end (stopping nukes/terrorism) instead of the intermediate step toward the end (getting rid of Iran regime), then that makes more sense to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128879) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:54 PM Author: green awkward sanctuary as long as that regime is in power, they will seek to get nukes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128883) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:55 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency And will it be harder while they allow inspection (albeit on less than ideal terms), or while they do not (but with economic sanctions). That's the question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128889) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:58 PM Author: green awkward sanctuary allowing inspection is illusory. they get advanced notice and we cant inspect military sites where development is most likely to occur. and to add insult to injury, we're financing their activities.
sanctions will starve them of funding necessary for development. it will also likely lead to violent uprising and organic regime change (best case scenario).
there is no 'within their borders' when you're dealing with an expansionist death cult. |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 8:09 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency I'm not sure what "we're financing their activities" means in this context. I'm proposing a scenario where the U.S. can do whatever it wants, but Iran still allows intl inspection so it can do business with Europe.
If you are confident that sanctions from Europe will hamper their nuke development more than the inspection regime, then I can understand supporting this Saudi pressure. I am not so confident in that. |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 8:12 PM Author: green awkward sanctuary if NK is any indication, hard hitting sanctions done in concert gets their attention far better than any deal has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128983) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:30 PM Author: milky brunch I don’t think so, because the goal is to prevent Iran from getting a nuke.
Obama’s traitorous Iran deal would have made it easy for Iran to do just that (it let them effectively develop their nukes in military bases, because the deal provided that Iran be given several days advance notice before they could be inspected, giving them time to hide).
Just us pulling out of the deal isn’t enough, because Iran will just keep developing. They need to be hit hard with sanctions, so that they can’t continue. Europe is making that difficult for us. |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency Do you think that sanctions are more effective at preventing nuke development than the inspection/agreement regime? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128150) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:47 PM Author: milky brunch Yes. Obama’s deal made it easier for Iran to develop because they received so much more money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128234) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:50 PM Author: green awkward sanctuary Absolutely. Sanctions are the best way to lead the Iranian people into a violent uprising against their government. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128255) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:57 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency Ok...but let's say the violent uprising does not happen. Then what's your response? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128301) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 6:00 PM Author: green awkward sanctuary stupid response. sanctions are more effective at causing the regime pain than trusting them to allow us to inspect unaltered sites (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128314) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:54 PM Author: Outnumbered soggy international law enforcement agency Dude, "causing the regime pain" is not my ultimate goal, and it's stupid ultimate goal for anyone to have. At best, it's a means to an end. The question is whether "causing the regime pain" is a better means to that end than "imperfect inspection rights." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128884) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:23 PM Author: provocative salmon hall regret (((lawman8))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128064) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: mint kitchen What the hell is going on (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128148) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 5:36 PM Author: razzle startled mother range Saudi will crush anyone that is helping Iran. Very simple. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128151) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 6:06 PM Author: vibrant messiness Uh, no shit. They hate Iran. They, along with Israel, are totally unified in their hate of Iran.
Ironically, Saudi Arabia promotes a form of Islam as extremist as any Iranian version. Majority of 9/11 attackers were Saudis, but we're "friends" with them. I wonder why...
But that's geopolitics. "It's complicated". |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 6:07 PM Author: razzle startled mother range MBS seems to actually want to reform Islam; otherwise you're correct. But also, Saudi has never attempted to develop nukes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128361) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 6:21 PM Author: vibrant messiness True, but they’re the ones spreading one of the most virulent forms of Islam across the world, in terms of tyranny they’re just as brutal as the Iranians. MBS Seems to be forward thinking - but reforming Islam (if that’s even possible) is an extremely tall order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128448) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 6:23 PM Author: green awkward sanctuary instead of expelling wahhabists like his father did, hopefully he'll just brutally execute all of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128454) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:03 PM Author: scarlet mental disorder church Only retards support the Saudis on this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128670) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:30 PM Author: milky brunch (Guy who admits being a single issue voter w/r/t Syria)
Amazing how much you care about it. |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:59 PM Author: excitant national (Netanyahu's peterman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128912) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 7:59 PM Author: mint kitchen Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36128910) |
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Date: May 25th, 2018 9:41 PM Author: scarlet mental disorder church they are the ones spreading extremism, instability and terror across the region. we should be smacking the saudis down, not applauding them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3986567&forum_id=2#36129341) |