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Guy going to jail for 15 years for giving away free PC restore software

Lundgren, 33, has become a renowned innovator in the field o...
Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office
  05/27/18
15 months not 15 years He’ll probably get off after 4
Bistre at-the-ready plaza philosopher-king
  05/27/18
yeah, decades, years, months whatever
Poppy bull headed hell circlehead
  05/27/18
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Indigo station faggotry
  05/29/18
OH WHAT A JUSTICE SYSTEM
Stirring boistinker nursing home
  05/27/18
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Laughsome chad principal's office
  05/28/18
jfc this is entirely a civil matter. fuck the doj for doing ...
Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/27/18
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blue address
  05/27/18
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Razzmatazz theatre pocket flask
  05/27/18
the DOJ actually spent time and money to setup a sting to &q...
Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office
  05/27/18
cr. trump should pardon this guy and fire all the prosecutor...
Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/27/18
lol stfu fag. you'd personally burn this goyim alive if it w...
diverse chest-beating ratface
  05/27/18
You're one mentally ill obsessed freak. I bet you haven't le...
Kink-friendly volcanic crater
  05/27/18
i'm really sorry if I touched a nerve with this post, moishe...
diverse chest-beating ratface
  05/27/18
Lol are you on here 24/7? You made your irate reply at 5am a...
Kink-friendly volcanic crater
  05/27/18
relax bro. listen I take it back ok. will you chill out now
diverse chest-beating ratface
  05/27/18
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Flatulent Partner Background Story
  05/27/18
It makes no sense. Why did they even *want* this guy? Did th...
Soul-stirring halford indirect expression
  05/27/18
No, but he did think plenty of that big check from Microsoft...
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
they GOT A CONVICTION. that's all that matters to them
Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/27/18
I have a former client in the e-waste business, and like all...
odious national wrinkle
  05/27/18
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cream flickering stock car
  05/27/18
jfc
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Rambunctious trailer park prole
  05/27/18
croutrage.
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Red Vivacious Rehab
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Hyperactive twinkling keepsake machete mother
  05/27/18
you get all the justice you can buy in this country
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  05/29/18
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blue address
  05/27/18
?
french half-breed rigor
  05/27/18
Article says 15 months bro
Narrow-minded Disturbing Ape
  05/27/18
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Floppy Range
  05/27/18
i know this guy irl
Razzmatazz theatre pocket flask
  05/27/18
tell him to post here
Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office
  05/27/18
Hi flw
Bistre at-the-ready plaza philosopher-king
  05/27/18
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lime ticket booth digit ratio
  05/28/18
this makes me furious, wtf
Flatulent Partner Background Story
  05/27/18
Of course it does because you don't actually know the law or...
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
(compliance guy)
Flatulent Partner Background Story
  05/27/18
Yes.
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
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Lilac tanning salon
  05/27/18
He was on Adam Carolla's podcast in Friday. He's a hippie re...
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
fuck off
blathering athletic conference
  05/27/18
He put the Microsoft logo on the CDs he made. That was the c...
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
again, fuck off
blathering athletic conference
  05/27/18
I'm like the only lawyer left on the bort. He broke the law....
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
The only lawyer on the board who splutters but, but, but the...
Startled claret kitty
  05/27/18
The law is all about the "buts." If it was simple ...
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
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Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/27/18
you went to tulane. does that even make you a lawyer?
Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/27/18
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Flatulent Partner Background Story
  05/29/18
Go back to the back office.
Lilac tanning salon
  05/27/18
OP's title said 15 years, not months. i care a lot less now...
blathering athletic conference
  05/27/18
Guy was not giving away free restore disks. Lundgren went...
cream flickering stock car
  05/27/18
He was selling them for 25 cents just to cover the cost of p...
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
The Court docs show that he was (or trying) to sell them for...
cream flickering stock car
  05/27/18
It sounds like he's going to jail because they completely fu...
Lilac tanning salon
  05/27/18
MS got a zero dollar damages award in the civil case. They c...
Wine Center Cuckoldry
  05/27/18
why is this a criminal case involving fucking 'stings' from ...
Transparent stead
  05/27/18
Because importing counterfeits is criminal, and the US takes...
cream flickering stock car
  05/27/18
He wasnt selling countereit windows software you idiot. He w...
Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office
  05/27/18
It's undisputed that the disks were sold, not given away for...
cream flickering stock car
  05/27/18
I'm not responding to copy and paste you undiscerning bootli...
Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office
  05/27/18
LOL, you've got nothing and knew none of the facts of the ca...
cream flickering stock car
  05/27/18
The facts are on his side, ie, he didn't steal anything or p...
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Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/27/18
this isn't an answer to the question
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Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office
  05/27/18
Holy fuck that article is poorly written. The installatio...
brass shaky parlour masturbator
  05/27/18
> you need two things: (1) the installation files and (2)...
cream flickering stock car
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"Daniel T. K. Hurley (born February 24, 1943)[1] is a S...
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Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office
  05/27/18
nah, the problem is clinton appointee
Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/27/18
wut?
brass shaky parlour masturbator
  05/28/18
President Bill Clinton nominated Judge Hurley to the United ...
Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/28/18
How is that an explanation? If you're trying to make a joke,...
brass shaky parlour masturbator
  05/28/18
i'm saying the judge is a retard bc he's a clinton appointee...
Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal
  05/28/18
75 isn't that old for federal judges. I was before a 82 year...
Soul-stirring halford indirect expression
  05/28/18
It's very old for someone you're expecting to understand sof...
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provocative pit milk
  05/29/18
IF HE DIES, HE DIES
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  05/27/18
reminder - the law is made by out-of-touch retards in congre...
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  05/28/18


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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:23 AM
Author: Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office

Lundgren, 33, has become a renowned innovator in the field of “e-waste,” using discarded parts to construct things such as an electric car, which far outdistanced a Tesla in a test on one charge. He built the first “electronic hybrid recycling” facility in the United States, which turns discarded cellphones and other electronics into functional devices, slowing the stream of harmful chemicals and metals into landfills and the environment. His California-based company processes more than 41 million pounds of e-waste each year and counts IBM, Motorola and Sprint among its clients.

“This is a difficult sentencing,” Senior U.S. District Judge Daniel T.K. Hurley told him last year, “because I credit everything you are telling me, you are a very remarkable person.”

Before he launched his company, IT Asset Partners, Lundgren lived in China, learning about the stream of e-waste and finding ways to send cheap parts to America to keep electronics running. One of his projects was to manufacture thousands of “restore disks,” usually supplied by computer-makers as a way for users to restore Windows to a hard drive if it crashes or must be wiped. The disks can be used only on a computer that already has a license for the Windows operating system, and the license transfers with the computer for its full life span. But computer owners often lose or throw out the disks, and though the operating system can be downloaded free on a licensed computer, Lundgren realized that many people didn’t feel competent to do that, and were simply throwing out their computers and buying new ones.

Lundgren had 28,000 of the disks made and shipped to a broker in Florida. Their plan was to sell the disks to computer refurbishing shops for about 25 cents apiece, so the refurbishers could provide the disks to used-computer buyers and wouldn’t have to take the time to create the disks themselves. In turn, the new users might be able to use the disks to keep their computers going the next time a problem occurred.

But Lundgren’s assertions about restore disks don’t apply to computers that go to refurbishers, the court concluded. While software licenses transfer when computers change hands among individuals, commercial sellers like refurbishers must buy new licenses for $25, according to Microsoft. The company said refurbishers would not be creating new restore disks, but would instead get them with the license purchase and supply those to its customers.

But in 2012, U.S. customs officers seized a shipment of disks and began investigating. The disks were never sold. Eventually, the Florida broker, Robert Wolff, called Lundgren and offered to buy the disks himself as part of a government sting, Lundgren said. Wolff sent Lundgren $3,400, and the conspiracy was cemented. Both were indicted on a charge of conspiracy to traffic in counterfeit goods and criminal copyright infringement. Wolff made a plea deal and received a six-month home-arrest sentence.

Lundgren pleaded guilty but argued that the value of his disks was zero, so there was no harm to anyone. Neither Microsoft nor any computer manufacturers sell restore disks. They supply them free with new computers and make the software available for free downloading for those who have paid for the software and received a license — typically a sticker with a “Certificate of Authenticity” number on it. Lundgren said that he was trying to make the disks available for those who needed them and that they could be used only on licensed computers.

Initially, federal prosecutors valued the disks at $299 each, the cost of a brand-new Windows operating system, and Lundgren’s indictment claimed he had cost Microsoft $8.3 million in lost sales. By the time of sentencing, a Microsoft letter to Hurley and a Microsoft expert witness had reduced the value of the disks to $25 apiece, stating that was what Microsoft charged refurbishers for such disks.

But both the letter and the expert were pricing a disk that came with a Microsoft license. “These sales of counterfeit operating systems,” Microsoft lawyer Bonnie MacNaughton wrote to the judge, “displaced Microsoft’s potential sales of genuine operating systems.” But Lundgren’s disks had no licenses and were intended for computers that already had licenses.

Glenn Weadock, a former expert witness for the government in its antitrust case against Microsoft, was asked, “In your opinion, without a code, either product key or COA [Certificate of Authenticity], what is the value of these reinstallation disks?”

“Zero or near zero,” Weadock said.

Why would anybody pay for one? Lundgren’s lawyer asked.

“There is a convenience factor associated with them,” Weadock said.

Still, Hurley decided Lundgren’s 28,000 restore disks had a value of $700,000, and that dollar amount qualified Lundgren for a 15-month term and a $50,000 fine. The judge said he disregarded Weadock’s testimony. “I don’t think anybody in that courtroom understood what a restore disk was,” Lundgren said.

A three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit deferred to Hurley in his judgment that Weadock was not credible and that “while experts on both sides may have identified differences in functionality in the discs, [Hurley] did not clearly err in finding them substantially equivalent.” The ruling was written by Judges William H. Pryor Jr., Beverly B. Martin and R. Lanier Anderson.

Randall Newman, Lundgren’s lawyer on the appeal, said there was no basis to seek a rehearing from the full 11th Circuit. Lundgren said an appeal to the Supreme Court would be a costly long shot.

But he said the court had set a precedent for Microsoft and other software-makers to pursue criminal cases against those seeking to extend the life span of computers. “I got in the way of their agenda,” Lundgren said, “this profit model that’s way more profitable than I could ever be.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/04/24/recycling-innovator-eric-lundgren-loses-appeal-on-computer-restore-discs-must-serve-15-month-prison-term/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.fa174992a425

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134427)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:12 AM
Author: Bistre at-the-ready plaza philosopher-king

15 months not 15 years

He’ll probably get off after 4

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135064)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:44 PM
Author: Poppy bull headed hell circlehead

yeah, decades, years, months

whatever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137456)



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Date: May 29th, 2018 6:42 AM
Author: Indigo station faggotry



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36143633)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:36 AM
Author: Stirring boistinker nursing home

OH WHAT A JUSTICE SYSTEM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134494)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:49 AM
Author: Laughsome chad principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36139109)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:39 AM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal

jfc this is entirely a civil matter. fuck the doj for doing the bidding of megacorps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134512)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:40 AM
Author: blue address



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134514)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:40 AM
Author: Razzmatazz theatre pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134516)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:44 AM
Author: Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office

the DOJ actually spent time and money to setup a sting to "catch" this guy, who was making no money at the time, never inflicted any damages on Microsoft or anyone else, has no criminal record, and is the rare instance of a pure do-gooder type who saw a problem caused by humans and was simply trying to fix it. the amount of money he accepted for the disks from the government informant was merely to recoup his costs of production.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134533)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:44 AM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal

cr. trump should pardon this guy and fire all the prosecutors

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134537)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 5:52 AM
Author: diverse chest-beating ratface

lol stfu fag. you'd personally burn this goyim alive if it would net you $5. why are you so maf about "gc" when it behaves like ur typical greedy jew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134985)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:37 PM
Author: Kink-friendly volcanic crater

You're one mentally ill obsessed freak. I bet you haven't left your parents' house in months lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137969)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:42 PM
Author: diverse chest-beating ratface

i'm really sorry if I touched a nerve with this post, moishe. don't be upset.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137990)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: Kink-friendly volcanic crater

Lol are you on here 24/7? You made your irate reply at 5am and now you've responded within 5 minutes. Basement NEET confirmed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137996)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:44 PM
Author: diverse chest-beating ratface

relax bro. listen I take it back ok. will you chill out now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138000)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 5:18 AM
Author: Flatulent Partner Background Story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134966)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 5:46 AM
Author: Soul-stirring halford indirect expression

It makes no sense. Why did they even *want* this guy? Did the prosecutors wake up the morning after trial and think, this is the great, the US is now a safer/better place?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134978)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:19 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

No, but he did think plenty of that big check from Microsoft and Apple he would cash for his run for congress. That's how this shit works.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135017)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:56 AM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal

they GOT A CONVICTION. that's all that matters to them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135489)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:18 AM
Author: odious national wrinkle

I have a former client in the e-waste business, and like all other waste management and sanitation lines of business, it runs on corruption and most people involved are shady as fuck. The lead in where he “figures out” that people throw away old computers when they don’t have restore software is a red flag that he was already in bed with tons of other shady people who essentially arrange illegal shipping channels and dump toxic waste in shitty parts of China and elsewhere. Dollars to donuts this whole thing was ginned up by some better funded opponent with the ability to get someone in the federal government to help.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135567)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:08 PM
Author: cream flickering stock car



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137550)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 11:43 AM
Author: Razzle church windowlicker

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36139832)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:48 AM
Author: Appetizing persian quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134555)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 5:44 AM
Author: Soul-stirring halford indirect expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134976)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 6:57 AM
Author: Lilac tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135010)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: Rambunctious trailer park prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135498)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:11 PM
Author: Shimmering sickened dog poop

croutrage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137559)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:22 PM
Author: Red Vivacious Rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138136)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:30 PM
Author: Hyperactive twinkling keepsake machete mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138160)



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Date: May 29th, 2018 6:07 AM
Author: provocative pit milk

you get all the justice you can buy in this country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36143615)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:41 AM
Author: blue address



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134519)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:43 AM
Author: french half-breed rigor

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134527)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:43 AM
Author: Narrow-minded Disturbing Ape

Article says 15 months bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134531)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:36 AM
Author: Floppy Range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135033)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:44 AM
Author: Razzmatazz theatre pocket flask

i know this guy irl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134534)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 12:46 AM
Author: Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office

tell him to post here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134545)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:13 AM
Author: Bistre at-the-ready plaza philosopher-king

Hi flw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135065)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 3:11 AM
Author: lime ticket booth digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36139049)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 5:18 AM
Author: Flatulent Partner Background Story

this makes me furious, wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36134967)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:25 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

Of course it does because you don't actually know the law or the facts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135022)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:04 AM
Author: Flatulent Partner Background Story

(compliance guy)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135056)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:05 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

Yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135059)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:58 AM
Author: Lilac tanning salon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135500)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:17 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

He was on Adam Carolla's podcast in Friday. He's a hippie retard and a multimillionaire. Fuck'em. You should know not to fuck with Bill Gates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135015)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:19 AM
Author: blathering athletic conference

fuck off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135016)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:21 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

He put the Microsoft logo on the CDs he made. That was the crime. You can't stick other people's logos on a product. A lay person would think your CD has Windows on it. And then the CD restores Windows. Had the logo not been on the CD he wouldn't be going to jail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135018)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:28 AM
Author: blathering athletic conference

again, fuck off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135024)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:29 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

I'm like the only lawyer left on the bort. He broke the law. 15 months is like 12 too many but the black letter law is clear. That said, the prosecutor who actually brought the case should have his political career completely ruined. But this dude did break the law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135027)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:44 AM
Author: Startled claret kitty

The only lawyer on the board who splutters but, but, but the LAW! In a discussion of how the principles underlying the law are corrupt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135087)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:50 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

The law is all about the "buts." If it was simple we'd just shoot people Russian style. Russian law is very simple.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135093)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:57 AM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135497)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal

you went to tulane. does that even make you a lawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135502)



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Date: May 29th, 2018 2:25 AM
Author: Flatulent Partner Background Story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36143486)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:59 AM
Author: Lilac tanning salon

Go back to the back office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135503)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:19 PM
Author: blathering athletic conference

OP's title said 15 years, not months. i care a lot less now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137372)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:31 AM
Author: cream flickering stock car

Guy was not giving away free restore disks.

Lundgren went to great lengths to make sure the disks looked as authentic as possible. They were sold for profit.

US customs would not give a shit if these were generic CDs/DVDs -- that's how Lundgren was caught in the first place.

This practice of selling counterfeit disks cuts into Microsoft's business so of course they would have an incentive to stop it. And they are certainly entitled to do that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135029)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:33 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

He was selling them for 25 cents just to cover the cost of production, but he did use the MS logo which is why he's going to jail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135030)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:46 AM
Author: cream flickering stock car

The Court docs show that he was (or trying) to sell them for much more than 25 cents.

Putting the logo on is obviously illegal, but they made sure the disks looked authentic enough to fool customs.

Even without the logo, the CDs are copyrighted, but Customs likely wouldn't have cared.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135044)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:00 AM
Author: Lilac tanning salon

It sounds like he's going to jail because they completely fucked up the damages model. He copped to liability.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135509)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 11:03 AM
Author: Wine Center Cuckoldry

MS got a zero dollar damages award in the civil case. They couldn't prove any damages. Dude's business at least won't be bankrupted by a civil verdict. He'll do 13 months and then make a fuckton of money on the speaking circuit talking about this shit. He's very articulate and has already done a bunch of media.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36135516)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:25 PM
Author: Transparent stead

why is this a criminal case involving fucking 'stings' from fed agents instead of a civil case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137386)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 8:07 PM
Author: cream flickering stock car

Because importing counterfeits is criminal, and the US takes these rules seriously?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137543)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:40 PM
Author: Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office

He wasnt selling countereit windows software you idiot. He was givng restore disks away for free. It's the same shit you can download for free if youre not a computer noob. The microsoft logo was just to indicate what the software is for. He didnt use the copyright to make any money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137980)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:18 PM
Author: cream flickering stock car

It's undisputed that the disks were sold, not given away for free.

Lundgren also pleaded guilty to infringing Dell's trademark in trying to make the disks look as authentic as possible -- these were restore disks for Dell computers. It wasn't merely using the MS logo to indicate Microsoft software as you seem to believe. The disks were being sold for between $1 and $2 a pop. When you multiply that by hundreds of thousands of CDs, it adds up.

Also, you can download essentially all Microsoft install binaries (Windows, Office, etc.) off their website, but counterfeiting these disks and importing them them isn't any less illegal.

This practice of refurbishing reusing old computers is at odds with MS's goal to sell people on new software.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138122)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:27 PM
Author: Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office

I'm not responding to copy and paste you undiscerning bootlicking moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138154)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: cream flickering stock car

LOL, you've got nothing and knew none of the facts of the case.

Microsoft (or Dell or any of the OEMs) can be a bully, but Lundgren is hardly the sympathetic protagonist the articles make him out to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138164)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:32 PM
Author: Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office

The facts are on his side, ie, he didn't steal anything or pirate any copyright software. Your copy pasta doesn't change anything, imbecile.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138171)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:31 PM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138165)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 8:13 PM
Author: Transparent stead

this isn't an answer to the question

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36141974)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 4:07 PM
Author: Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36136683)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:34 PM
Author: brass shaky parlour masturbator

Holy fuck that article is poorly written.

The installation and damages part isn't hard to explain well.

In order to install and use Windows, you need two things: (1) the installation files and (2) a code to unlock Windows. The code is what's valuable to Microsoft. The defendant was only giving away the readily available files, not the critical and valuable code.

I don't see why the government wanted to fuck this guy on the value, and the judge is just a moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137417)



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Date: May 29th, 2018 10:02 AM
Author: cream flickering stock car

> you need two things: (1) the installation files and (2) a code to unlock Windows

Exactly. Lundgren could've provided download links to the files. No one would've cared. Lundgren probably could've even duplicated the restore CDs to sell -- it's technically illegal -- but I don't think anyone (US Customs or MS) would care or notice. I think this is what everyone here thinks is happening, that Lundgren merely duplicated CDs and got sent to jail. That's certainly how the OP article portrays the situation.

The problem is that Lundgren went to lengths to copy the exact visual appearance of OEM restore CDs, including MS and OEM (e.g., Dell) logos. They could be passed off as authentic disks, because resellers/refurbishers want to package the computers with an authentic disk. The appearance of authenticity itself has value, the convenience of having a restore disk on hand has value. The value is on the order of dollars, but when you sell hundreds of thousands of these, it adds up.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36144096)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 7:42 PM
Author: brass shaky parlour masturbator

"Daniel T. K. Hurley (born February 24, 1943)[1] is a Senior United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida."

That's what you get for having a fucking ancient judge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137446)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:35 PM
Author: Stubborn Up-to-no-good Box Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36137958)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 9:59 PM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal

nah, the problem is clinton appointee

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138070)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 2:15 AM
Author: brass shaky parlour masturbator

wut?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138980)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 2:36 AM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal

President Bill Clinton nominated Judge Hurley to the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida on November 10, 1993, to the seat vacated by James Carriger Paine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36139009)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 4:45 AM
Author: brass shaky parlour masturbator

How is that an explanation? If you're trying to make a joke, I confess I don't get it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36139106)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 12:44 PM
Author: Soggy Turquoise Alpha Son Of Senegal

i'm saying the judge is a retard bc he's a clinton appointee, not bc he's old

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36140068)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 8:49 AM
Author: Soul-stirring halford indirect expression

75 isn't that old for federal judges. I was before a 82 year old judge in Ohio recently. Carter appointee.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36139321)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 11:48 AM
Author: brass shaky parlour masturbator

It's very old for someone you're expecting to understand software installation.

And it is old for judges. That's why he's eligible for senior status.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36139851)



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Date: May 29th, 2018 6:06 AM
Author: provocative pit milk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36143614)



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Date: May 27th, 2018 10:26 PM
Author: Appetizing persian quadroon

IF HE DIES, HE DIES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36138149)



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Date: May 28th, 2018 10:03 AM
Author: big-titted whorehouse

reminder - the law is made by out-of-touch retards in congress.

the "law" is flame.

the mutability of the law is what i hated the most about it and why i never wanted to go into it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3987448&forum_id=2#36139504)